NBA Trade Thread #11

[Chi town]

Jalen Green cannot be traded this year due to his extension...

Hmm. Rockets don’t have the contract do they?

I’d love to see Jimmy on the Dubs.

Don’t see how he has much value.

Yeah, Rockets have some contracts, Dillon Brooks earns 22m, so that's a good start and they have a few 12m and 8m deals.

Amen Thompson (9.2m), Brooks (22.2m) & Steven Adams (12.6) = 44.1m for Jimmy (48.7m) works, plus they have picks.

I could definitely see Houston making a push for Jimmy, he is from Texas after all.

You don’t trade win now players for win now players. No way they trade Brooks for Jimmy. They want to pair them together.

[Dan Z]

Hmm. Rockets don’t have the contract do they?

I’d love to see Jimmy on the Dubs.

Don’t see how he has much value.

Yeah, Rockets have some contracts, Dillon Brooks earns 22m, so that's a good start and they have a few 12m and 8m deals.

Amen Thompson (9.2m), Brooks (22.2m) & Steven Adams (12.6) = 44.1m for Jimmy (48.7m) works, plus they have picks.

I could definitely see Houston making a push for Jimmy, he is from Texas after all.

You don’t trade win now players for win now players. No way they trade Brooks for Jimmy. They want to pair them together.

I think the idea is that Jimmy will take the Rockets further in the playoffs. Having said that I wouldn't do that trade due to Jimmys age and that he's up for a contract extension soon.

He'd have to be a short term rental and I bet the Heat would want more value in a deal than I'd be willing to give.

[Muzbar]

Hmm. Rockets don’t have the contract do they?

I’d love to see Jimmy on the Dubs.

Don’t see how he has much value.

Yeah, Rockets have some contracts, Dillon Brooks earns 22m, so that's a good start and they have a few 12m and 8m deals.

Amen Thompson (9.2m), Brooks (22.2m) & Steven Adams (12.6) = 44.1m for Jimmy (48.7m) works, plus they have picks.

I could definitely see Houston making a push for Jimmy, he is from Texas after all.

You don’t trade win now players for win now players. No way they trade Brooks for Jimmy. They want to pair them together.

You do if you're getting a superior player, which Jimmy is. If they want Jimmy then they are likely going to have to include Brooks for salary matching purposes. They still have FVV.

A FFV/Green/Butler/Smith/Sengun starting line-up would be damn good and Jimmy could cruise through most of the season as they've got a bunch of talent that would keep them near the top.

Yes Jimmy is older, but he's proven time and time again he can carry a team.

That trade was obviously just an example of something they could do.

[WindyCityBorn]

Even if we don’t trade Zach trading Vuc will probably sink this team enough to ensure we keep our pick.

[MrSparkle]

The way things are going, it’d be pretty risky of HOU to trade high for a 35yo Jimmy. There’s been a high failure rate with costly transactions around that age (Durant, George, Harden, Lillard). Why screw up good chemistry on a very young team? OTOH Jalen Green seems like an unremarkable top option, getting his $36m pay day.

Miami’s gonna have a steep price, and Jimmy’s gonna opt out and want the max extension. What’s that gonna be, $60m at 38?

To me, OKC’s a high-margin favorite for the ring. Obviously BOS can repeat, but all this team needs to do is stay healthy in May. They’re dominating with their 2nd best player out. I wouldn’t mess with a costly trade to challenge them this year, esp. in the loaded west.

[Muzbar]

Yep, it's Muzbar has too much free time a work trade time!

Warriors receive:

Jimmy Butler (Mia)
Alec Burks (Mia)
Nikola Vucevic (Chi)
Torrey Craig (Chi)

Heat receive:

Jonathan Kuminga (GSW)
Andrew Wiggins (GSW)
Gary Payton II (GSW)
Kevon Looney (GSW)
2025 FRP (GSW)
2027 FRP (GSW)

Bulls receive:

Kel'el Ware (Mia)
De'Anthony Melton (GSW)
Kyle Anderson (GSW)

The Warriors trot out a starting line-up of Curry/Hield/Butler/Green/Vucevic whilst also adding some vets that can shoot in Craig and Burks extending Curry's window and improving their championship window.

The Heat get draft capital, exprings and a young piece in Kuminga plus a solid young vet in Wiggins. Their starting line-up now would be Rozier/Herro/Wiggins/Kuminga/Bam.

The Bulls get a young rookie C, who could be the teams C of the future, plus an expiring deal in Melton and a savvy vet in Anderson.

Bulls would have to release a player before making the trade and the Warriors would need to sign one shortly after.

I did an alternate version where the Bulls got the 2025 FRP (and Thomas Bryant) instead of Kel'el Ware which could be more likely.

[Dez]

Yep, it's Muzbar has too much free time a work trade time!

Warriors receive:

Jimmy Butler (Mia)
Alec Burks (Mia)
Nikola Vucevic (Chi)
Torrey Craig (Chi)

Heat receive:

Jonathan Kuminga (GSW)
Andrew Wiggins (GSW)
Gary Payton II (GSW)
Kevon Looney (GSW)
2025 FRP (GSW)
2027 FRP (GSW)

Bulls receive:

Kel'el Ware (Mia)
De'Anthony Melton (GSW)
Kyle Anderson (GSW)

The Warriors trot out a starting line-up of Curry/Hield/Butler/Green/Vucevic whilst also adding some vets that can shoot in Craig and Burks extending Curry's window and improving their championship window.

The Heat get draft capital, exprings and a young piece in Kuminga plus a solid young vet in Wiggins. Their starting line-up now would be Rozier/Herro/Wiggins/Kuminga/Bam.

The Bulls get a young rookie C, who could be the teams C of the future, plus an expiring deal in Melton and a savvy vet in Anderson.

Bulls would have to release a player before making the trade and the Warriors would need to sign one shortly after.

I did an alternate version where the Bulls got the 2025 FRP (and Thomas Bryant) instead of Kel'el Ware which could be more likely.

I do feel like Chicago would have to throw in maybe the Portland pick to the Heat but I do like it.

[ChettheJet]

I'm not seeing the Bulls giving up anything else, they send GSW a starting center and a solid bench role player. They aren't gaining anything in this deal, for sure no short or long term improvement and even their savings is muted with Anderson having 1 year plus some non guaranteed money the next

They get an expiring Melton who just further overloads their guard glut, Anderson who got signed as a piece for a contender and hasn't played in half their games and the rawest of rookies. Unless the Bulls scouted Ware and have been investigating what others think of him, he can't provide the backup minutes for Smith. You've got to have a 2nd trade in the works to move Anderson who just isn't going to be content to come off the bench behind, Williams, Phillips and Buzelis who you've got to play.

[Muzbar]

I'm not seeing the Bulls giving up anything else, they send GSW a starting center and a solid bench role player. They aren't gaining anything in this deal, for sure no short or long term improvement and even their savings is muted with Anderson having 1 year plus some non guaranteed money the next

They get an expiring Melton who just further overloads their guard glut, Anderson who got signed as a piece for a contender and hasn't played in half their games and the rawest of rookies. Unless the Bulls scouted Ware and have been investigating what others think of him, he can't provide the backup minutes for Smith. You've got to have a 2nd trade in the works to move Anderson who just isn't going to be content to come off the bench behind, Williams, Phillips and Buzelis who you've got to play.

Melton is out for the season, so he's not adding to the glut as he won't be playing. Anderson is averaging 14mpg for GS, I doubt he'll command more minutes in Chicago.

Why can't Ware play back-up minutes behind Smith???

[Infinity2152]

Would imagine if we did a deal where we got Anderson, Melton, and Ware for Vuc and craig, Anderson will be playing center a lot, not a horrible look. Ware's not ready, they just called him back up from the G League. Not giving up a pick in that deal, though, Ware hasn't shown nearly enough, and that's basically what we're getting. Sanogo could also get some run, who knows how good he is/could be?

[Muzbar]

Would imagine if we did a deal where we got Anderson, Melton, and Ware for Vuc and craig, Anderson will be playing center a lot, not a horrible look. Ware's not ready, they just called him back up from the G League. Not giving up a pick in that deal, though, Ware hasn't shown nearly enough, and that's basically what we're getting. Sanogo could also get some run, who knows how good he is/could be?

Why would Anderson play center? Push comes to shove, swap Anderson for Looney but then the Heat lose value, IMO.

Wares not ready? You know who else isn't ready?Matas, but no one seems to care if he gets minutes or not.

[Infinity2152]

Would imagine if we did a deal where we got Anderson, Melton, and Ware for Vuc and craig, Anderson will be playing center a lot, not a horrible look. Ware's not ready, they just called him back up from the G League. Not giving up a pick in that deal, though, Ware hasn't shown nearly enough, and that's basically what we're getting. Sanogo could also get some run, who knows how good he is/could be?

Why would Anderson play center? Push comes to shove, swap Anderson for Looney but then the Heat lose value, IMO.

Wares not ready? You know who else isn't ready?Matas, but no one seems to care if he gets minutes or not.

You're really asking why 6'9 Anderson would play some center if Vuc is gone? Billy like running small lineups anyway, we were running 6'4, 6'5 guys at PF. I'm not saying it's the best solution, but I could easily see Anderson getting minutes at the 5, especially if Pat is healthy and Matas is getting 20 minutes. Agree Looney is a better option, but the Bulls are not really trying to win anyway. Not saying Ware wouldn't or shouldn't get any minutes, but I'd bet Anderson gets more. Believe he already has experience playing small ball center with Warriors and Spurs at times. A lineup of Giddey, Lavine, Williams, Matas, Anderson isn't even small, and probably our best defensive lineup in years. Even better, Ball, lavine, Williams, Matas, Anderson.

I'd think it was pretty clear Billy doesn't care much about post defense, and Anderson is a capable defender in every other aspect. Anderson's listed at 6'9 230lbs, while Ware is listed at around 7 ft, 230. Ware's just taller. Jalen Smith listed at 6'9, 215, so actually smaller than Anderson, at least at quick glance. They're roughly all the same size.

Let's also not forget it took an injury to the starter (P Will) for Matas to get minutes, there was literally no one else. Torrey Craig and Julian Phillips, both wings, were getting more minutes at PF. We'd have 4 guys who can play center, between Smith, Anderson, Sanogo, and Ware. Ware could legit get sent back down to the G-league while he bulks up some and works on his shooting.

[Klomp]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

[Chi town]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

Nope. Unless a good 1st is coming back.

Want nothing to do with Randle.

[Clint Eastwood]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

I do that trade without question. I think more money needs to go to Minnesota than that. I have no misgivings that AK is going to fully rebuild or ever get out of mediocracy, so i prefer we have a power forward on our roster for the first time in over 10 years.

[Infinity2152]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

Randle will be 31 next year, with a $31 million dollar player option. He's probably looking for a new contract. Two of our top young players, Matas and Pat, both play the same position as Randle. Pretty much the opposite of what we should be doing.

[sco]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

Randle will be 31 next year, with a $31 million dollar player option. He's probably looking for a new contract. Two of our top young players, Matas and Pat, both play the same position as Randle. Pretty much the opposite of what we should be doing.

Yeah, that's where I am.

I don't hate Randle, but he doesn't fit this team age/skillwise. I would love to do a deal that gets us either Naz or Donte.

[Klomp]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

Randle will be 31 next year, with a $31 million dollar player option. He's probably looking for a new contract. Two of our top young players, Matas and Pat, both play the same position as Randle. Pretty much the opposite of what we should be doing.

Yeah, that's where I am.

I don't hate Randle, but he doesn't fit this team age/skillwise. I would love to do a deal that gets us either Naz or Donte.

Has the front office embraced the rebuild though? From a distance it has seemed in past years that they would rather "remain competitive" over going young in a rebuild.

[sco]

Randle will be 31 next year, with a $31 million dollar player option. He's probably looking for a new contract. Two of our top young players, Matas and Pat, both play the same position as Randle. Pretty much the opposite of what we should be doing.

Yeah, that's where I am.

I don't hate Randle, but he doesn't fit this team age/skillwise. I would love to do a deal that gets us either Naz or Donte.

Has the front office embraced the rebuild though? From a distance it has seemed in past years that they would rather "remain competitive" over going young in a rebuild.

You're not wrong, but they seem to want to do it through young talent vs. picks/tank.

[Muzbar]

Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

Urgh, no thanks. Would much rather keep Jalen Smith.