LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls)

[DuckIII]

Okay, I’m not exactly understanding what all the fuss is about. What exactly were we supposed to be getting for LaVine?

From my vantage point, we broke up Zach’s salary into shorter, smaller and more moveable contracts and got control of our pick back. Were we supposed to be achieving more than that in trading LaVine?

Bingo.

People are judging the trade based on AK’s past mistakes.

This trade moves us in the right direction.

Well you can draw a straight line between AK's mistakes and this trade. And the DDR trade. And the Caruso trade (which was fine, actually). This trade is not bad because it reflects the market. But the fact that these trades keep happening when the market is bad is a result of AK's foreseeable failure to take these steps years ago. Its all part of one big failure.

That said, I fully support this trade and have no problem with the return at all. Because I can only judge it within the context in which it exists.

[Muzbar]

Everyone wanted Zach gone and everyone knew his market was limited because of his contract. Why where so many expecting multiple firsts and a player?

Because most held extremely high unrealistic expectations on what a return should be.

I'm personally sort of meh about it, it's great to have full control of their picks back, and they've got smaller more manageable contracts, but it is still a rather meh trade, at least in my opinion.

[kodo]

Everyone wanted Zach gone and everyone knew his market was limited because of his contract. Why where so many expecting multiple firsts and a player?

I was expecting one 1st round pick and/or one playable player. We got neither.
The players are terrible.
Huerter is a 3 point specialist who does nothing else and he shoots 30%.
Zach Collins is a stretch 5 who shoots 30% from 3 and can't defend.

[nekorajo]

Wow I was wrong. They found a way to move him this season. Trade is meh, but so was Zach.

[panthermark]

Bleh....
But it is really AK "attempting" to clean up his own **** ups. So this "bleh" trade is his fault to begin with being that he put the team in this position.

[chicago paxsons]

I can't say i love what we got back, though i'm glad we have control of our pick again, but finally being out from under the "when will they trade lavine shadow" is nice.

Now we get to be truly bad, instead of mediocre/bad for the foreseeable future with no hope in sight, in peace.

[gf2020hotmail]

I hate this trade, but that's because I love Zach and was stupidly hoping against hope for some lottery luck in this draft to launch us into a new cycle with him still on the squad.

But it's kind of ridiculous to me for people complaining/making fun of the Bulls by saying they are getting a trade exception they'll never use except they just used the last one they created in this very deal. The salary structure of the league is screwed for another year or so, there will be opportunities to use it while staying below the tax.

[nomorezorro]

were the bulls ever going to tank for 3 straight seasons? of course not.

if we trade lavine to some other team, what exactly is our path to finishing outside of the top 8 anytime soon? especially if vucevic/ball are also gone heading into the 2025-26 season, and our best player is...ayo? jalen smith? matas in a couple of years if we're lucky?

[step]

Turrible. Like, what's the point?

Dunno if AKME checked the standings but SA wasn't getting that pick this year.

I think we get it back forever....

Yes, we aren't tied to the standings for the next 3 seasons. And keeping Zach (and if he stays healthy) keeps us on the cusp of possibly losing that pick likely each of the next 3 seasons.

In my view the likelihood that Zach alone would have been enough to put us in a position to convey the pick over the next seasons would have been slim.

Is this /was this the best return we could have got? I'm skeptical. I also probably would have waited for the trade market to heat up more in the next 4 days.

This just feels like it met their minimum expectations and they just went that'll do.

[Tetlak]

Everyone wanted Zach gone and everyone knew his market was limited because of his contract. Why where so many expecting multiple firsts and a player?

I was expecting one 1st round pick and/or one playable player. We got neither.
The players are terrible.
Huerter is a 3 point specialist who does nothing else and he shoots 30%.
Zach Collins is a stretch 5 who shoots 30% from 3 and can't defend.

Well to be fair, this is an outlier season for Huerter in terms of poor shooting and this is also Collins' worst season in a while.

Not that they're good players, but I expect us to try to rehabilitate some value in them. Collins in particular will likely back up Jalen Smith when we trade Vuc.

[jumpman23j]

You guys are missing the point. This trade helps us tank and enter the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. I'm here for it!!

[Jcool0]

Everyone wanted Zach gone and everyone knew his market was limited because of his contract. Why where so many expecting multiple firsts and a player?

I was expecting one 1st round pick and/or one playable player. We got neither.
The players are terrible.
Huerter is a 3 point specialist who does nothing else and he shoots 30%.
Zach Collins is a stretch 5 who shoots 30% from 3 and can't defend.

The players they got doesn't matter. You caring is just wasting your time. The point was to move on from Zachs salary and try for a top 4 pick.

[JRoy]

Getting your pick back was exactly the right move. Love this for CHI.

[El Ridda]

Cool. We got Bulls West now. I will be watching some Kings games now.

Ironically the kings are on tv more than the bulls here in Chicago.

[Guru]

It really would have been nice to get anything that seemed like a longer-term piece. I'm a fan of looking at building pieces as having rocks to build the foundation off of. We are down to long term contracts with Buz-Williams-Terry-Smith and Phillips.

If you laid it out as

1 Open-Open
2 Open-Open
3 Open-Terry-Phillips
4 Buz-Williams
5 Open-Smith

You see who you want to play more. Williams has been much better coming off the bench. Terry I finding his role as a complimentary rotational wing. Smith is already what you want in a depth big. Phillips is a complete unknown IMO.

I think you probably have 2 of your 3-4 long term guys at the Forward rotation.

Excited to see what piece we add in the draft.

I'm assuming our lotto spot is 7

[Chi town]

I think we get it back forever....

Yes, we aren't tied to the standings for the next 3 seasons. And keeping Zach (and if he stays healthy) keeps us on the cusp of possibly losing that pick likely each of the next 3 seasons.

In my view the likelihood that Zach alone would have been enough to put us in a position to convey the pick over the next seasons would have been slim.

Is this /was this the best return we could have got? I'm skeptical. I also probably would have waited for the trade market to heat up more in the next 4 days.

This just feels like it met their minimum expectations and they just went that'll do.

If Bulls kept Zach they would have had to trade two of Lonzo Coby Vuc to keep their pick this season.

I think best return for Lavine would have been at the draft.

[vxmike]

You guys are missing the point. This trade helps us tank and enter the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. I'm here for it!!

Why did they wait 50 games to do it?

[SirKaiser]

Everyone wanted Zach gone and everyone knew his market was limited because of his contract. Why where so many expecting multiple firsts and a player?

I was expecting one 1st round pick and/or one playable player. We got neither.
The players are terrible.
Huerter is a 3 point specialist who does nothing else and he shoots 30%.
Zach Collins is a stretch 5 who shoots 30% from 3 and can't defend.

The players they got doesn't matter. You caring is just wasting your time. The point was to move on from Zachs salary and try for a top 4 pick.

How did this trade improve our odds of getting a top 4 pick? All it does it ensure we get a pick when we inevitably end up in the play-in

[step]

8 months later, we get back a pick that would’ve likely conveyed to SAS in the lottery sometime in the next three seasons. Is it unsatisfying that it’s our own pick? Absolutely. But that’s a sin of a previous trade, not this one.

makes no damn difference that the draft pick technically still belonged to the bulls. that thing was as good as gone

Sure it does... The likelihood that we would need to have convey it would have been slim. So, in effect 'undid' the past mistake by doubling down and making another. 2 wrongs to make a 'right'.

exactly. were the bulls ever going to tank for 3 straight seasons? of course not.

I think people are overly optimistic about our future here... luck withstanding... this next rebuild is going to take some time. Especially given AKME's respective eye for the draft.

also good that lavine is gone next year to improve draft position because team wasn't going anywhere next year either.

So logically:
- not conveying it this year
- likely not conveying it next year
We rushed to make this deal so we would likely not needed to worry about it in year 3.

[Guru]

You guys are missing the point. This trade helps us tank and enter the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes. I'm here for it!!

Why did they wait 50 games to do it?

Because they just went 3-9 over the last 12 games