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Post#181 » by WiggOuts » Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:33 am

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WiggOuts wrote:Jokic would not look nearly as good in an older era, his defense would be exposed and he would've had much better competition at his position(he'd still obviously be good)


There's a litany of other bigs who suggest that this isn't true.

Westbrook deserves way more respect then he he gets. He has a very unlikable personality which makes it easy and it almost became cool to clown on him for a while but he was a monster in his prime


His shot creation gets a lot of attention on this board. The fact that it's been nearly a decade of him having fallen off a cliff, however, has a tendency to erode people's perception of him. He is a great example of box score averages influencing people, although he certainly was very productive in his MVP season, and was less of a disaster as a scorer at the time.

The NBA needs a few more teams in Canada. If they put teams in Vancouver/Montreal/Winnipeg/2nd team in Ontario I bet they'd support their franchises better than some of the current NBA cities.


Vancouver, sure. Dunno about Winterpeg. You'd certainly have an even worse time trying to get anyone to come up there, because it's flat, it's windy, it's cold as bawlz and it is boring as sin. You could watch your dog run away for a week all through the prairies until you hit the mountains. And that's before you add in all the usual issues like taxes and border crossing and all that stuff.

I didn't want to say Winnipeg but I couldn't think of another city where the population is starting to climb, thats why I mentioned a second city in Ontario. Either way, I think they need to just do it. Who cares about getting people to go there, maybe superstars won't want to go but as long as there NBA contracts being handed out they'll get talent. They point is to expand the league, add teams down south as well. There is an abundance of NBA talent out there and its growing
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Re: What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have? 

Post#182 » by Hair Jordan » Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:44 am

Pharaoh wrote:The GOAT debate is an illusion manufactured for clicks & engagement.

Jordan vs LeBron, Kareem, where does Kobe fit, Timmy being Timmy, Magic, Bird, the Logo and who ranks where in the top 10, 20, 30 etc

It's all bull.

LeBron is nothing like Jordan. And that's not a bad thing. Different roles, different skills. Kobe is like Mike. Doesn't mean he's better than LeBron or Magic or Kareem.

Different dudes have different skills and different abilities.

The Kobe hate lately astounds me. No one would have said anything remotely close if he was still here.

Like him or not, respect him or not. He didn't care. He made a choice when he was a teenager to chase God. And to his credit he became as close as a human can get to that level.

LeBron said we should put respect on his name. Bro, pay respect to Kobe being Kobe. Inspired millions of people worldwide.

We all knew we could never be Mike.

Kobe said watch me attempt it.

So **** your GOAT debates.

Bill Russell still says hey

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I don’t hate Kobe. I think he’s in the 15-25 range depending on your preference. He was lucky to get traded to LA and paired up with prime Shaq and Phil Jackson. He was lucky to have his career resurrected after Pau Gasol went to the Lakers. His career would have been wholly different if he remained in Charlotte for 20 years. The Kobe hate exists because his delusional fans want to claim he’s better than Mike or the best scorer or most clutch when every reasonable basketball aficionado knows he’s nowhere near that. The hate exists when his fans try to elevate him into the GOAT tier or conversation. He doesn’t belong there. Not even close.
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Re: What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have? 

Post#183 » by Pharaoh » Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:57 am

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Pharaoh wrote:The GOAT debate is an illusion manufactured for clicks & engagement.

Jordan vs LeBron, Kareem, where does Kobe fit, Timmy being Timmy, Magic, Bird, the Logo and who ranks where in the top 10, 20, 30 etc

It's all bull.

LeBron is nothing like Jordan. And that's not a bad thing. Different roles, different skills. Kobe is like Mike. Doesn't mean he's better than LeBron or Magic or Kareem.

Different dudes have different skills and different abilities.

The Kobe hate lately astounds me. No one would have said anything remotely close if he was still here.

Like him or not, respect him or not. He didn't care. He made a choice when he was a teenager to chase God. And to his credit he became as close as a human can get to that level.

LeBron said we should put respect on his name. Bro, pay respect to Kobe being Kobe. Inspired millions of people worldwide.

We all knew we could never be Mike.

Kobe said watch me attempt it.

So **** your GOAT debates.

Bill Russell still says hey

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I don’t hate Kobe. I think he’s in the 15-25 range depending on your preference. He was lucky to get traded to LA and paired up with prime Shaq and Phil Jackson. He was lucky to have his career resurrected after Pau Gasol went to the Lakers. His career would have been wholly different if he remained in Charlotte for 20 years. The Kobe hate exists because his delusional fans want to claim he’s better than Mike or the best scorer or most clutch when every reasonable basketball aficionado knows he’s nowhere near that. The hate exists when his fans try to elevate him into the GOAT tier or conversation. He doesn’t belong there. Not even close.


To the bold:

He was never going to Charlotte. We ll know that was organised.

As to the hate portion and why it exists:

No one elevates him above Michael. No one claims Kobe is the most clutch ever.

The hate for Kobe exists because he's the proof that you can attempt to chase down God and get close enough to touch it.

And y'all hate the fact that some mortal man attempted it when the vast majority of the population would never even attempt it.

Y'all hate Kobe cause he is/was/represents everything you could possibly be if you made the effort.

Easier to hate him than do the work though

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Re: What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have? 

Post#184 » by Kawaii Leonard » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:14 am

Pharaoh wrote:
Hair Jordan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:The GOAT debate is an illusion manufactured for clicks & engagement.

Jordan vs LeBron, Kareem, where does Kobe fit, Timmy being Timmy, Magic, Bird, the Logo and who ranks where in the top 10, 20, 30 etc

It's all bull.

LeBron is nothing like Jordan. And that's not a bad thing. Different roles, different skills. Kobe is like Mike. Doesn't mean he's better than LeBron or Magic or Kareem.

Different dudes have different skills and different abilities.

The Kobe hate lately astounds me. No one would have said anything remotely close if he was still here.

Like him or not, respect him or not. He didn't care. He made a choice when he was a teenager to chase God. And to his credit he became as close as a human can get to that level.

LeBron said we should put respect on his name. Bro, pay respect to Kobe being Kobe. Inspired millions of people worldwide.

We all knew we could never be Mike.

Kobe said watch me attempt it.

So **** your GOAT debates.

Bill Russell still says hey

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I don’t hate Kobe. I think he’s in the 15-25 range depending on your preference. He was lucky to get traded to LA and paired up with prime Shaq and Phil Jackson. He was lucky to have his career resurrected after Pau Gasol went to the Lakers. His career would have been wholly different if he remained in Charlotte for 20 years. The Kobe hate exists because his delusional fans want to claim he’s better than Mike or the best scorer or most clutch when every reasonable basketball aficionado knows he’s nowhere near that. The hate exists when his fans try to elevate him into the GOAT tier or conversation. He doesn’t belong there. Not even close.


To the bold:

He was never going to Charlotte. We ll know that was organised.

As to the hate portion and why it exists:

No one elevates him above Michael. No one claims Kobe is the most clutch ever.

The hate for Kobe exists because he's the proof that you can attempt to chase down God and get close enough to touch it.

And y'all hate the fact that some mortal man attempted it when the vast majority of the population would never even attempt it.

Y'all hate Kobe cause he is/was/represents everything you could possibly be if you made the effort.

Easier to hate him than do the work though

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Nah I love Kobe and what he stood for. Even had his #8 jersey. I just can’t stand his fanbase however. Over the decades of talking basketball, Kobe—along with Curry—by far have the most delusional stans I’ve ever come across. And the amounts of them, too, are staggering. It obviously stems from them growing up with these players and idolizing their favourites, but it’s distasteful when it becomes completely nonsensical.

I don’t think any of the Kobe hate, at least from what I’ve seen on these boards, has anything to do with the imagery you were trying to paint up there. It’s mostly directed at those who continually overrate and exaggerate his career to the point of flat out lying.
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Re: What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have? 

Post#185 » by Pharaoh » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:27 am

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Pharaoh wrote:
Hair Jordan wrote:
I don’t hate Kobe. I think he’s in the 15-25 range depending on your preference. He was lucky to get traded to LA and paired up with prime Shaq and Phil Jackson. He was lucky to have his career resurrected after Pau Gasol went to the Lakers. His career would have been wholly different if he remained in Charlotte for 20 years. The Kobe hate exists because his delusional fans want to claim he’s better than Mike or the best scorer or most clutch when every reasonable basketball aficionado knows he’s nowhere near that. The hate exists when his fans try to elevate him into the GOAT tier or conversation. He doesn’t belong there. Not even close.


To the bold:

He was never going to Charlotte. We ll know that was organised.

As to the hate portion and why it exists:

No one elevates him above Michael. No one claims Kobe is the most clutch ever.

The hate for Kobe exists because he's the proof that you can attempt to chase down God and get close enough to touch it.

And y'all hate the fact that some mortal man attempted it when the vast majority of the population would never even attempt it.

Y'all hate Kobe cause he is/was/represents everything you could possibly be if you made the effort.

Easier to hate him than do the work though

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Nah I love Kobe and what he stood for. Even had his #8 jersey. I just can’t stand his fanbase however. Over the decades of talking basketball, Kobe—along with Curry—by far have the most delusional stans I’ve ever come across. And the amounts of them, too, are staggering. It obviously stems from them growing up on these players and idolizing their favourites, but it’s distasteful when it becomes completely nonsensical.

I don’t think any of the Kobe hate, at least from what I’ve seen on these boards, has anything to do with the imagery you were trying to paint up there. It’s mostly directed at those who overrate and exaggerate his career to the point of flat out lying.


So yous focus on the fringes of his fanbase the same way the Jordan fans so and the LeBron fans do?

Y'all are delusional.

Somewhere there's Wilt fans, Bill Russell fans, Kareem fans...

Where the **** are the Timmy fans?

It's all real simple: Kobe saw Jordan as God and attempted to beat God at his own game. Gotta respect a human being even attempting that.

The GOAT debate is for you all to click on and engage with cause it generates conversation and engagement.

It's an illusion.

If I say Timmy is top 5 ever anyone got a problem? Someone will.

If I say Kobe is top 5 or 7 someone will have a problem with it.

Truth is: how you rank them is entirely subjective based on whatever criteria you deem fit.

But it generates YEARS of idiotic discussions

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Post#186 » by JRoy » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:29 am

Pharaoh wrote:
Hair Jordan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:The GOAT debate is an illusion manufactured for clicks & engagement.

Jordan vs LeBron, Kareem, where does Kobe fit, Timmy being Timmy, Magic, Bird, the Logo and who ranks where in the top 10, 20, 30 etc

It's all bull.

LeBron is nothing like Jordan. And that's not a bad thing. Different roles, different skills. Kobe is like Mike. Doesn't mean he's better than LeBron or Magic or Kareem.

Different dudes have different skills and different abilities.

The Kobe hate lately astounds me. No one would have said anything remotely close if he was still here.

Like him or not, respect him or not. He didn't care. He made a choice when he was a teenager to chase God. And to his credit he became as close as a human can get to that level.

LeBron said we should put respect on his name. Bro, pay respect to Kobe being Kobe. Inspired millions of people worldwide.

We all knew we could never be Mike.

Kobe said watch me attempt it.

So **** your GOAT debates.

Bill Russell still says hey

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I don’t hate Kobe. I think he’s in the 15-25 range depending on your preference. He was lucky to get traded to LA and paired up with prime Shaq and Phil Jackson. He was lucky to have his career resurrected after Pau Gasol went to the Lakers. His career would have been wholly different if he remained in Charlotte for 20 years. The Kobe hate exists because his delusional fans want to claim he’s better than Mike or the best scorer or most clutch when every reasonable basketball aficionado knows he’s nowhere near that. The hate exists when his fans try to elevate him into the GOAT tier or conversation. He doesn’t belong there. Not even close.


To the bold:

He was never going to Charlotte. We ll know that was organised.

As to the hate portion and why it exists:

No one elevates him above Michael. No one claims Kobe is the most clutch ever.

The hate for Kobe exists because he's the proof that you can attempt to chase down God and get close enough to touch it.

And y'all hate the fact that some mortal man attempted it when the vast majority of the population would never even attempt it.

Y'all hate Kobe cause he is/was/represents everything you could possibly be if you made the effort.

Easier to hate him than do the work though

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Re: What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have? 

Post#187 » by Sealab2024 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:40 am

4 corners offense is the most dominant offense the game has ever seen.

The reason nobody in the NBA runs a "40 minutes of hell" type full court trap is because professionals will never work that hard.

Shaq turned an entire generation of centers into power forwards.

Great defense is more fun to watch than great offense.
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Post#188 » by Kawaii Leonard » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:40 am

Pharaoh wrote:
Kawaii Leonard wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
To the bold:

He was never going to Charlotte. We ll know that was organised.

As to the hate portion and why it exists:

No one elevates him above Michael. No one claims Kobe is the most clutch ever.

The hate for Kobe exists because he's the proof that you can attempt to chase down God and get close enough to touch it.

And y'all hate the fact that some mortal man attempted it when the vast majority of the population would never even attempt it.

Y'all hate Kobe cause he is/was/represents everything you could possibly be if you made the effort.

Easier to hate him than do the work though

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Nah I love Kobe and what he stood for. Even had his #8 jersey. I just can’t stand his fanbase however. Over the decades of talking basketball, Kobe—along with Curry—by far have the most delusional stans I’ve ever come across. And the amounts of them, too, are staggering. It obviously stems from them growing up on these players and idolizing their favourites, but it’s distasteful when it becomes completely nonsensical.

I don’t think any of the Kobe hate, at least from what I’ve seen on these boards, has anything to do with the imagery you were trying to paint up there. It’s mostly directed at those who overrate and exaggerate his career to the point of flat out lying.


So yous focus on the fringes of his fanbase the same way the Jordan fans so and the LeBron fans do?

Y'all are delusional.

Somewhere there's Wilt fans, Bill Russell fans, Kareem fans...

Where the **** are the Timmy fans?

It's all real simple: Kobe saw Jordan as God and attempted to beat God at his own game. Gotta respect a human being even attempting that.

The GOAT debate is for you all to click on and engage with cause it generates conversation and engagement.

It's an illusion.

If I say Timmy is top 5 ever anyone got a problem? Someone will.

If I say Kobe is top 5 or 7 someone will have a problem with it.

Truth is: how you rank them is entirely subjective based on whatever criteria you deem fit.

But it generates YEARS of idiotic discussions

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I agree, it’s subjective and fans will always have their biases in some form. I’ve steered away from player comparison talks, especially the ones about the goat, because it is beyond repetitive with everyone having some sort of a brick wall in front of their preconceived notions. But if I see a flat-out ridiculous take/angle, I’ll try to level with them to show them that they might be wrong and that they have some really tinted glasses on. If they can’t muster it or have an honest discussion about my critiques of their bad example, I just can’t be bothered anymore exactly due to some of the pts you brought up. It’s fruitless if your bias is that engrained to not even have a semblance of objectivity. Guess which player’s fanbase I’ve muted out the most over the years.
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Post#189 » by MoreyWins » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:11 am

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Post#190 » by FuShengTHEGreat » Fri Jul 11, 2025 6:42 am

Sealab2024 wrote:4 corners offense is the most dominant offense the game has ever seen.

The reason nobody in the NBA runs a "40 minutes of hell" type full court trap is because professionals will never work that hard.

Shaq turned an entire generation of centers into power forwards
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Great defense is more fun to watch than great offense.


Which entire generation of Centers did Shaq "turn" into PFs?
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Post#191 » by Rubios » Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:00 am

"Jokic would not look nearly as good in an older era, his defense would be exposed and he would've had much better competition at his position
(he'd still obviously be good)".

Consider another possibility: what kind of puzzle would be for a team of an older era to guard a 7 ft that can shoot very good on the post, floaters, mid range, from 3, and pass the ball to everyone, everywhere on the court.
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Post#192 » by Rubios » Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:02 am

I expect this not to be unpopular:

Kobe and Jordan were awful team mates and toxic leaders in the locker room. And has nothing to do with having a winner mentality.
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Post#193 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:31 am

Klay is underrated not overrated. A two-way player capable of scoring 37 in a quarter, 41 on the road in a playoff game with his team’s season on the line, averaging 26 ppg on a 70TS% in the finals before tearing his ACL. Damn shame he suffered b2b devastating injuries.
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Post#194 » by tonyreyes123 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:56 am

The gap between Jordan & Kobe is larger than Kobe & Harden

LeBron’s Laker tenure has been a bust

Knicks playing in NY is the only historic thing about them, they have no real ATG players or teams
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Post#195 » by tsherkin » Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:08 pm

WiggOuts wrote:I didn't want to say Winnipeg but I couldn't think of another city where the population is starting to climb,


Fair, I just wanted to jump in and note that everything east of the Rockies and west of the Ontario border is probably a no-go. Vancouver makes plenty of sense. Quebec and the Maritimes, not so much.

That pretty much leaves Ontario. And while possible, it doesn't feel super viable. Still, you could maybe get away with one in Hamilton, or like Ajax or something. Near enough to Toronto that the whole GTA could feed it, and that players would at least have some semblance of a big city to go to.

thats why I mentioned a second city in Ontario. Either way, I think they need to just do it. Who cares about getting people to go there, maybe superstars won't want to go but as long as there NBA contracts being handed out they'll get talent. They point is to expand the league, add teams down south as well. There is an abundance of NBA talent out there and its growing


Ultimately, expansion isn't worthwhile just for its own sake. You end up diluting the league talent pool, which does have broader implications in years forward. And if you create an NBA Siberia to which no one wants to go, that franchise isn't likely to do terribly well, particularly in cities which have never had a basketball culture before, while sitting there losing for years and years and years.

The league is FINALLY at a place of solid talent depth; I'm very much against ruining that for no good reason.
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Post#196 » by WiggOuts » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:12 pm

Rubios wrote:"Jokic would not look nearly as good in an older era, his defense would be exposed and he would've had much better competition at his position
(he'd still obviously be good)".

Consider another possibility: what kind of puzzle would be for a team of an older era to guard a 7 ft that can shoot very good on the post, floaters, mid range, from 3, and pass the ball to everyone, everywhere on the court.

I agree except in an era where Cs did not typically command your offence i can't see how he would be allowed to play this way. I dont think there was a coach out there at that time that would have given him that freedom. Time have obviously changed
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Post#197 » by WiggOuts » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:19 pm

Kobes "mentorship" set a few players on very bad paths early on in their careers. A lot of those guys became inefficient chuckers because they didn't have the skill level to play that way ironically leaving them snake bitten

I hate to pick on Kobe but this opinion might be a little dark. At the time of the helicopter crash, it was reported that Kobe was refused by pilots to fly that day due to bad weather. He reportedly insisted or forced(i cant remember exactly) a pilot to do it which ultimately led to the crash. Theres was never a bad word spoken about that but children and families died, he was partly responsible for this
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Post#198 » by mastermixer » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:48 pm

Bill Russel is highly overrated.

Go look up his career FG% if you don’t believe me.

44% FG as a C is atrocious
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Post#199 » by KazuoOda » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:56 pm

MJ wouldn't even be a top 10 player if he played in this era.
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Post#200 » by Hair Jordan » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:07 pm

mastermixer wrote:Bill Russel is highly overrated.

Go look up his career FG% if you don’t believe me.

44% FG as a C is atrocious


Kobe’s career FG% is 44.6. Atrocious as well. Overrated.

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