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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1801 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:37 am

This still being one of the first summers with the new CBA (and GMs still learning how to work in it) makes me confused on what the proper approach to this free agency could be. Should we wait out until LeBron and Carmelo get their deals and then some teams subsequently throw their money aggressively at the other options since they had cleared up all that space? On the other hand, there are plenty of possible suitors with many teams having cap space. Hard to say what it could mean under this CBA. Maybe we would miss out on all the good signings (of course, that brings up the question that it could be better to stand pat than throw money at the Haywards of this world).
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1802 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:37 am

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JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/483828534138261507[/tweet]


He's such an old curmudgeon.


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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1803 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:40 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:This still being one of the first summers with the new CBA (and GMs still learning how to work in it) makes me confused on what the proper approach to this free agency could be. Should we wait out until LeBron and Carmelo get their deals and then some teams subsequently throw their money aggressively at the other options since they had cleared up all that space? On the other hand, there are plenty of possible suitors with many teams having cap space. Hard to say what it could mean under this CBA. Maybe we would miss out on all the good signings (of course, that brings up the question that it could be better to stand pat than throw money at the Haywards of this world).


No better approach than showing interest early. Don't discuss numbers until there's a actual face-to-face meeting at the negotiating table
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1804 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:46 am

Ricks article earlier blowing up in his face. Why in the world would we express interest in him?

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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1805 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:48 am

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LamarMatic7 wrote:This still being one of the first summers with the new CBA (and GMs still learning how to work in it) makes me confused on what the proper approach to this free agency could be. Should we wait out until LeBron and Carmelo get their deals and then some teams subsequently throw their money aggressively at the other options since they had cleared up all that space? On the other hand, there are plenty of possible suitors with many teams having cap space. Hard to say what it could mean under this CBA. Maybe we would miss out on all the good signings (of course, that brings up the question that it could be better to stand pat than throw money at the Haywards of this world).


No better approach than showing interest early. Don't discuss numbers until there's a actual face-to-face meeting at the negotiating table

No, of course, interest must be shown. But as far as the signing itself is concerned, there is evidence from previous years that you could be in a better position if you wait it out. You could possibly end up being one of the last teams with real cap space and then get the players that are left for real bargain type deals.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1806 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:48 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483833967229935616[/tweet]

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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1807 » by Sonrisen » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:48 am

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catch20two wrote:Ha. Yea Cliff would have to foolishly fool around and do it. MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.


I disagree. You cant guarantee a job to someone who is literally 1 dimensional. MKG is a great defender, but you win games by scoring more points than your opponent.

but MKG averaged more PPG than PJ on a PER 36 mins basis and MKG stops opponents from scoring more than PJ does


My post had nothing to do with PJ Tucker. This is the post I was quoting:

MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1808 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:49 am

This **** again. Not a peep about who we've contacted or plan to meet or hold heavy interest in. It's like CIA over in our front office.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1809 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:49 am

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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1810 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:49 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
chabber wrote:
JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/483828534138261507[/tweet]


He's such an old curmudgeon.


Reminds me of my 95 year old grandfather who acts like he hates everything about life 98% of the time.

Haha. Meanwhile other reporters are making jokes about the start of the free agency. Bonnell of course has to be a grump.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1811 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:50 am

Sonrisen wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
I disagree. You cant guarantee a job to someone who is literally 1 dimensional. MKG is a great defender, but you win games by scoring more points than your opponent.

but MKG averaged more PPG than PJ on a PER 36 mins basis and MKG stops opponents from scoring more than PJ does


My post had nothing to do with PJ Tucker. This is the post I was quoting:

MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.


I almost feel compelled to put that bolded part in my sig.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1812 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:51 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
JDR720 wrote:but MKG averaged more PPG than PJ on a PER 36 mins basis and MKG stops opponents from scoring more than PJ does


My post had nothing to do with PJ Tucker. This is the post I was quoting:

MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.


I almost feel compelled to put that bolded part in my sig.


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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1813 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:51 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:This still being one of the first summers with the new CBA (and GMs still learning how to work in it) makes me confused on what the proper approach to this free agency could be. Should we wait out until LeBron and Carmelo get their deals and then some teams subsequently throw their money aggressively at the other options since they had cleared up all that space? On the other hand, there are plenty of possible suitors with many teams having cap space. Hard to say what it could mean under this CBA. Maybe we would miss out on all the good signings (of course, that brings up the question that it could be better to stand pat than throw money at the Haywards of this world).


No better approach than showing interest early. Don't discuss numbers until there's a actual face-to-face meeting at the negotiating table

No, of course, interest must be shown. But as far as the signing itself is concerned, there is evidence from previous years that you could be in a better position if you wait it out. You could possibly end up being one of the last teams with real cap space and then get the players that are left for real bargain type deals.


The players that are usually left for real bargain type deals are usually nothing more than just serviceable and/or fringe starters. The proven and/or expected difference-makers are usually gone early, and that's the type of player that Charlotte is looking for. For instance, Josh McRoberts would fall into that category of leftovers. The Hornets need to eat on time with the rest of the vultures
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1814 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:51 am

MasterIchiro wrote:This **** again. Not a peep about who we've contacted or plan to meet or hold heavy interest in. It's like CIA over in our front office.

It isn't that bad of a thing though to have a front office with no leaks.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1815 » by Sonrisen » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:53 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
JDR720 wrote:but MKG averaged more PPG than PJ on a PER 36 mins basis and MKG stops opponents from scoring more than PJ does


My post had nothing to do with PJ Tucker. This is the post I was quoting:

MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.


I almost feel compelled to put that bolded part in my sig.


It's myopic views such as that that keep mediocre teams mired in mediocrity. Alliterations at 12:52 am ladies and gents.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1816 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:54 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
No better approach than showing interest early. Don't discuss numbers until there's a actual face-to-face meeting at the negotiating table

No, of course, interest must be shown. But as far as the signing itself is concerned, there is evidence from previous years that you could be in a better position if you wait it out. You could possibly end up being one of the last teams with real cap space and then get the players that are left for real bargain type deals.


The players that are usually left for real bargain type deals are usually nothing more than just serviceable and/or fringe starters. The proven and/or expected difference-makers are usually gone early, and that's the type of player that Charlotte is looking for. For instance, Josh McRoberts would fall into that category of leftovers. The Hornets need to eat on time with the rest of the vultures


How happy would you be if we over-played the clearing up money angle and just threw everything we had at the Stephenson/Hayward pursuit though? I'd imagine that you'd much more enjoy a scenario where we sign competent players after the huge biddings end and remain cap flexible.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1817 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:57 am

Sonrisen wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
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I disagree. You cant guarantee a job to someone who is literally 1 dimensional. MKG is a great defender, but you win games by scoring more points than your opponent.

but MKG averaged more PPG than PJ on a PER 36 mins basis and MKG stops opponents from scoring more than PJ does


My post had nothing to do with PJ Tucker. This is the post I was quoting:

MKG should be safe in the starting lineup unless Melo Anthony is walkin thru that door.


MKG 'should' be safe in the starting lineup based on what's available & realistic acquisitions for Charlotte via this year's free agency. I wouldn't be so certain that Chandler Parsons, Gordon Hayward, Luol Deng, or Trevor Ariza would be better fits in the starting lineup. Sure, they might be better individual players, but there's still a outlook. MKG might not be much of a offensive player, but he's still the best defensive player and that's the area in which Charlotte legitimately lay it's hat
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1818 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:01 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:No, of course, interest must be shown. But as far as the signing itself is concerned, there is evidence from previous years that you could be in a better position if you wait it out. You could possibly end up being one of the last teams with real cap space and then get the players that are left for real bargain type deals.


The players that are usually left for real bargain type deals are usually nothing more than just serviceable and/or fringe starters. The proven and/or expected difference-makers are usually gone early, and that's the type of player that Charlotte is looking for. For instance, Josh McRoberts would fall into that category of leftovers. The Hornets need to eat on time with the rest of the vultures


How happy would you be if we over-played the clearing up money angle and just threw everything we had at the Stephenson/Hayward pursuit though? I'd imagine that you'd much more enjoy a scenario where we sign competent players after the huge biddings end and remain cap flexible.


I wouldn't be happy at all if that were to happen. I've been firm with my stance that Charlotte should be sensible in trying to make a splash via free agency, and if that doesn't work then they should be content with making 1-year holdover deals like the bargain type deals you've expressed so that they could play their cards again in 2015. There's no need to mortgage the future on uncertainties like Stephenson, Hayward, or even Parsons. I'd never recommend overpaying any player, because that's how bad contracts become, well bad contracts
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1819 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:03 am

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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

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