Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[Andrew McCeltic]

It would've been an interesting off-season for them even without injuries..

I think their ownership would take a 48 million dollar profit, though, to keep a healthy championship team together, and they might do it anyway, although to max Dray Green, too, they might have to run at a loss.

[soxfan2003]

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Shiiieeet... tough decision to keep the band together.

Net revenue (pre-tax) of $401m

Total bill $353m

Yikes.

It will be interesting what they do. They will sign Klay but is he willing to take a few less million now that he and KD is injured. IDK. Maybe not.

KD could leave but assuming he stays....

Warriors if they determine KD and Klay won't be back in time for playoffs, could consider a soft one year tank and trading Iggy to a team with cap room or a team that can offer up a non guaranteed contract. Iggy could always sign back if he doesn't retire the following season.

[djFan71]

What young bigs could we target via trade? In order of possibility, all pretty low:

Bam for 20, 22 & Williams? (would need to play games with signing one, not the other for salary). 14 & Williams?
Isaac? Carter Jr? Either would probably require Jaylen, which I'm not sure I do.
Bagley? Probably would require Tatum? Not sure I do that either.
JJJ no way. No how.

Any others? Probably more likely we have to roll the dice in the draft ourselves. Anyone got anything else?

He is probably not considered a good player and definitely not at the level of the guys above but I really like Noah Vonleh and hope the Cetics get him. Kid has been improving both offensively and defensively under the radar for the last two years. His defense is currently far ahead of his offense but I can see him being a decent starting level big for some team in the near future. Oh and he is good rebound with a good motor.

Good call, I wonder what kind of money he gets in FA this year. H

[Andrew McCeltic]

Can’t tell the deal with Vonleh..

I think Phoenix probably ends up keeping him, but I love the idea of getting Dragan Bender for three years on a partial MLE and having Bird rights if he blows up. The issue with him has always only been strength and physical presence, and once he’s got enough mass to hold his space on the court, he’s got a lot of skills that will emerge - at minimum I think, he’s more Kwame Brown than Darko, a “bust” who can end up a solid roleplayer.

Don’t think we can get Isaac or Carter, that could change after the draft and free agency, but it isn’t likely. Aaron Gordon could be available, in theory, but I don’t know for what. He’d be a good fit as a power forward for us if we miss out on Davis..

Maybe Sabonis, but that’s a stretch.. Jaren, too, would take changes in Memphis to make him expendable.. maybe at next year’s draft, depending on who’s on board when MEM picks..

Derrick Favors is an interesting MLE target, if we have the whole thing.. he’s fantastic defensively.. but not young, and doesn’t stretch the floor.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brian Windhorst says the Warriors are going to offer a full five year max to Klay and Durant..a show of loyalty, and faith, but worst-case it could ruin them for years..

[soxfan2003]

Brian Windhorst says the Warriors are going to offer a full five year max to Klay and Durant..a show of loyalty, and faith, but worst-case it could ruin them for years..

Post ACL Klay should be fine... he doesn't rely upon quickness/athleticism and making crazy moves with his knees that much at all. He relies upon length and quick shot. I think age impacts him more than that ACL injury. ACL injury would have a bigger impact on Curry IMHO.

KD's achilles injury is more of a concern. I think KD is a little overrated -- I'd certainly rather have a two way player like Giannis right now for one year than a healthy KD -- but still a superstar. And even with that injury/aging, I can't picture KD being worse overall than Harrison Barnes with the 73 win warriors. KD is still longer and still the better shooter.

The Warriors need to be concerned with Curry and Green gradually declining and having to replace Iggy.

They will clearly have to make a move to dramatically improve their role players if another great team above the likes of this years Toronto forms. Toronto was really good but a better team could form. Toronto has their own age concerns if Leonard comes back since Lowry/Ibaka/Gasol are all 30+.

[bucknersrevenge]

Welcome to the dark side! To me, Terry isn't nearly as bad as he was this year, and also not as good as he thinks he is. To me, he's bottom half of the starting PGs in the league - 15-25 range. That's still pretty good. Your point about pace is spot on. Kyrie, like Rondo before him, was so inconsistent about pushing the ball. Rozier just gets us into the offense quicker. Which when you have guys contradictorily both passing up open shots and iso'ing too much, is important.

Trade wise, just AD for Tatum/Smart, you probably are looking at Rozier and Hayward starting together. Any other moves, and I think we're back to one off the bench. But, obviously, quite fluid.

I think I just like that trio (Rozzay, JB, and Gordo) playing together with Al and AD. And now that the blood is in the water out there in thr Bay area, all the more reason to strike now and get this deal done. Re-sign Mook. Draft THT with one of our picks. Give Semi some minutes. Use our mini-MLE on a free agent to add depth and I like that mix actually. I thought we had too many chefs last year. Take away Kyrie, Tatum, and even Marcus (unfortunately) and there are fewer ballstopper/iso guys. Most everyone else is gonna shoot off the catch, drive the closeout, or move the ball. This could still work out for us. AND...I think Davis might even enjoy himself.

I like it too, just not sure why... It's not like the bench rocked it this year. I agree on the rest of the roster pieces. If you get AD, you resign Terry & Mook if you can. Then get whatever out of an S&T with Kyrie if possible. Then MLE/room exceptions on a point like Corey Joesph, a big like Ed Davis, etc.

I would actually token start Baynes and have Horford anchor the bench. Save wear & tear on AD, load manage Al, keep one of AD\Al on the floor always for the D (and O really).

Assuming we have to send 14 and keep 20/22, I'm looking at Claxton for crazy upside, and sliders from Clarke, Washington, Little, Goga, NAW, Goga, Keldon, Hayes, Cam Johnson, Grant Williams, Jerome, Windler, Thybulle, etc. Just don't love the girth of THT at such a young age. I'll take him at 51, though, and fully willing to jump on the bandwagon if we take him at 20 or 22.

Interesting call on Claxton. I know Kevin O'Connor liked this kid. I'm late to the party in terms of researching him. His ability to grab and go and also shoot from the perimeter is surprising. He seems comfortable out there. It's the kind of stuff Horford is asked to do for us as well. He may not be a bad long term project, especially in the case that Davis doesn't stay.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Golden State has to try to trade Iguodala for a younger player and an expiring.. though they’d be lucky to get the 17 from Atlanta..

[djFan71]

I think I just like that trio (Rozzay, JB, and Gordo) playing together with Al and AD. And now that the blood is in the water out there in thr Bay area, all the more reason to strike now and get this deal done. Re-sign Mook. Draft THT with one of our picks. Give Semi some minutes. Use our mini-MLE on a free agent to add depth and I like that mix actually. I thought we had too many chefs last year. Take away Kyrie, Tatum, and even Marcus (unfortunately) and there are fewer ballstopper/iso guys. Most everyone else is gonna shoot off the catch, drive the closeout, or move the ball. This could still work out for us. AND...I think Davis might even enjoy himself.

I like it too, just not sure why... It's not like the bench rocked it this year. I agree on the rest of the roster pieces. If you get AD, you resign Terry & Mook if you can. Then get whatever out of an S&T with Kyrie if possible. Then MLE/room exceptions on a point like Corey Joesph, a big like Ed Davis, etc.

I would actually token start Baynes and have Horford anchor the bench. Save wear & tear on AD, load manage Al, keep one of AD\Al on the floor always for the D (and O really).

Assuming we have to send 14 and keep 20/22, I'm looking at Claxton for crazy upside, and sliders from Clarke, Washington, Little, Goga, NAW, Goga, Keldon, Hayes, Cam Johnson, Grant Williams, Jerome, Windler, Thybulle, etc. Just don't love the girth of THT at such a young age. I'll take him at 51, though, and fully willing to jump on the bandwagon if we take him at 20 or 22.

Interesting call on Claxton. I know Kevin O'Connor liked this kid. I'm late to the party in terms of researching him. His ability to grab and go and also shoot from the perimeter is surprising. He seems comfortable out there. It's the kind of stuff Horford is asked to do for us as well. He may not be a bad long term project, especially in the case that Davis doesn't stay.

KOC is who got me hooked, then watching like 5 min of video... so, I'm an expert now. I hate the way he keeps rising boards, though. I started liking him & Little early, and they keep rising past our picks I originally wanted to use on them.

[bucknersrevenge]

Yeah, he sounds like he's shooting up mocks. Recent update said he's shut down workouts for non-lotto teams.

[djFan71]

Yeah, he sounds like he's shooting up mocks. Recent update said he's shut down workouts for non-lotto teams.

Yikes! I was originally thinking take him at 22 was a stretch. Then figured we'd have to go 20. Now he may not be there at 14? Crazy.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaxson Hayes is only five pounds heavier, FWIW, and other than a little more vertical explosiveness you could ask why he’s been mocked as a lottery pick and Claxton as a second-rounder..

[djFan71]

How funny will it be when we make no trades, Horford opts in, we resign Rozier and roster all 4 picks?

[The Corey's]

How funny will it be when we make no trades, Horford opts in, we resign Rozier and roster all 4 picks?

Im sure Wyc and NBC Boston would enjoy the continuation of the declining ratings. No doubt people would tune them out even more.

[Curmudgeon]

How funny will it be when we make no trades, Horford opts in, we resign Rozier and roster all 4 picks?

Im sure Wyc and NBC Boston would enjoy the continuation of the declining ratings. No doubt people would tune them out even more.

Depend on whether or not Ainge hits on the picks or blows them.

[GoCeltics123]

Himmelsbach on NBCSN just said that he hears that the Capela stuff probably isn't true based on the people he's talked to

[Andrew McCeltic]

Himmelsbach on NBCSN just said that he hears that the Capela stuff probably isn't true based on the people he's talked to

It was a good smoke screen

[GoCeltics123]

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[StojkoVrankovic]

It is crazy that a team is going to max out a guy in KD who won't see the court next season, what a gamble

[Andrew McCeltic]

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I know the Nets and Celtics don’t need to do each other any favors, but... DAR for Kyrie would be great - and even if we can’t do a sign and trade, if Horford takes 15 million a year, we could renounce Rozier and Morris, dump Yabu’s money, and max Russell outright..

Russell/Smart
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward/Ojeleye
Tatum/FA-or-rookie
Horford/Baynes/Williams