2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Synciere]

If you're an american that doesn't support Trump's militias and you're not looking into how to get a firearm right now you're part of the problem. **** that. The 2nd Amendment exists for literally this moment and as a collective the left is too cowardly to actually exercise those rights and win for once. Just roll over and die I guess.

you don't know how much thought and debate in my household there's been over this.

my wife and i have never owned guns. we live in the south. i'm from NY, but she's been down here pretty much her whole life. she is vehemently opposed to owning weapons, taking life, etc. i told her i respect that, but i'm not going out like that. i didn't come out of st. nick projects in the 80s by the skin of my knuckles... as tupac put it, "i done seen too many real [ones] fall to let you..." you know the rest.

i have some training and go to the range as a hobby/life skill. i've also taken up archery. hoped i'd never need to be a gun owner. but in this moment i refuse to be killed by white supremacists without a fight. even if futile, i'm clapping back. you come for my life, embrace the possibility of losing yours.

i'm disheartened at the notion of terror at the polls. trump has severely damaged if not already destroyed the fabric of our republic.

I agreed with everything you said up until that last sentence. Trump didn't damage or destroy this republic. He only revealed this republic's true character.

There are too many people who claim to be good people who stand by and watch atrocities be committed simply because it does not affect them. Ask any Trump supporter if they condemn white supremacy and they'll either do (say) what Trump does, or denounce it while still voting for him and supporting him in private. Republicans have terrorizing people at the polls for the last 20 years. Voter ID laws has taken the right to vote away from millions of people. There were less than 100 cases of voter fraud in 2010, but Republican state house nationwide passed voter ID laws once it became clear Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee. This isn't new. They're just bolder and more willing to admit it because it doesn't affect their livelihoods.

[Synciere]

If you're a Trump supporter at this point, you should be ashamed of yourself and embarrassed by him. A lot of you don't like Black and brown people as it is, and it shows even in your rhetoric on this board.

[HarthorneWingo]

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true as it is, biden had the decency not to go there. but it's all i could think about.

But Biden could’ve slammed him for the North Dakota rally he had at Mt. Rushmore and the biker rally. ND’s numbers are bonkers now as a result.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’ll bring knives when I go to vote.

[dakomish23]

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The QAnonsense party is embarrassing. The hero worship of their #Cult45 idol never ends. Is she serious? She’s comparing a silver spoon narcissistic grifter to a came from nothing humble underdog? How delusional are these people?

[Oscirus]

Isnt the hill supposed to be liberal? Well heres one of their writers

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/miss-manners-may-have-been-offended-but-trump-had-the-edge/ar-BB19zj81?ocid=msedgdhp

[j4remi]

If you're an american that doesn't support Trump's militias and you're not looking into how to get a firearm right now you're part of the problem. **** that. The 2nd Amendment exists for literally this moment and as a collective the left is too cowardly to actually exercise those rights and win for once. Just roll over and die I guess.

you don't know how much thought and debate in my household there's been over this.

my wife and i have never owned guns. we live in the south. i'm from NY, but she's been down here pretty much her whole life. she is vehemently opposed to owning weapons, taking life, etc. i told her i respect that, but i'm not going out like that. i didn't come out of st. nick projects in the 80s by the skin of my knuckles... as tupac put it, "i done seen too many real [ones] fall to let you..." you know the rest.

i have some training and go to the range as a hobby/life skill. i've also taken up archery. hoped i'd never need to be a gun owner. but in this moment i refuse to be killed by white supremacists without a fight. even if futile, i'm clapping back. you come for my life, embrace the possibility of losing yours.

i'm disheartened at the notion of terror at the polls. trump has severely damaged if not already destroyed the fabric of our republic.

I agreed with everything you said up until that last sentence. Trump didn't damage or destroy this republic. He only revealed this republic's true character.

There are too many people who claim to be good people who stand by and watch atrocities be committed simply because it does not affect them. Ask any Trump supporter if they condemn white supremacy and they'll either do (say) what Trump does, or denounce it while still voting for him and supporting him in private. Republicans have terrorizing people at the polls for the last 20 years. Voter ID laws has taken the right to vote away from millions of people. There were less than 100 cases of voter fraud in 2010, but Republican state house nationwide passed voter ID laws once it became clear Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee. This isn't new. They're just bolder and more willing to admit it because it doesn't affect their livelihoods.

Yep, to that bolded point, I think the Brook's Brothers riot is a piece of recent history worth remembering. This piece covers it decently and I think the key here is that this was 20 years back. They're a lot bolder behind Trump, the race baiting is hardly veiled and the violence from groups like the Proud Boys goes back years too. This could all escalate fast, it's scary as hell.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/15/its-insanity-how-brooks-brothers-riot-killed-recount-miami/

[CharlesOakley]

I'm friendly with a few Trump voters at my bjj gym. They are all devote Christians. Several of them exemplify the virtues of humility, patience, courage and self-control. I don't think they are racist, I just thing for most of them every election can be boiled down to pro-life vs. pro-choice.

IMO there is a big difference between someone who votes for Trump and the MAGA hat wearing Trump stan. Anyone on here defending Trump probably falls into the second category.

[GONYK]

I'm friendly with a few Trump voters at my bjj gym. They are all devote Christians. Several of them exemplify the virtues of humility, patience, courage and self-control. I don't think they are racist, I just thing for most of them every election can be boiled down to pro-life vs. pro-choice.

IMO there is a big difference between someone who votes for Trump and the MAGA hat wearing Trump stan. Anyone on here defending Trump probably falls into the second category.

Voting for Trump is supporting Trump, no matter how it's sliced.

This isn't a la carte. You don't get to just say you're in it for pro-life without knowing that the overt racism and complete disregard for democracy comes with it.

[rammagen]

I'm friendly with a few Trump voters at my bjj gym. They are all devote Christians. Several of them exemplify the virtues of humility, patience, courage and self-control. I don't think they are racist, I just thing for most of them every election can be boiled down to pro-life vs. pro-choice.

IMO there is a big difference between someone who votes for Trump and the MAGA hat wearing Trump stan. Anyone on here defending Trump probably falls into the second category.

Voting for Trump is supporting Trump, no matter how it's sliced.

This isn't a la carte. You don't get to just say you're in it for pro-life without knowing that the overt racism and complete disregard for democracy comes with it.

That's like saying "I support Hitler because I really care about increasing the rubber production in this country. I don't necessarily support all of his choices otherwise though"

To the OP whose friends at the gym are prochoice that is great it is their right. But if they support trump while claiming to be Christian that is a huge question mark. The ideal Christian is not bigoted and racist and stand s up to lies and hate peacefully. To support someone who has those ideals and and violates the beliefs you supposedly hold dear is not to Christian because you would want those same values in your candidate. If the person you support is un Christian like then you are just as guilty as person breaking those commandments.

When you see something wrong speak up, be kind to your neighbor and do unto others, dont lie. pretty simple basic rules you dont get to pick and choose what you don't like in the candidate and pretend to Christian and support a racist who lies cheats on his wife and taxes.
They are as guilty of the sin as trump is because they enable and support it

[rammagen]

Isnt the hill supposed to be liberal? Well heres one of their writers

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/miss-manners-may-have-been-offended-but-trump-had-the-edge/ar-BB19zj81?ocid=msedgdhp

That is opinion piece not one of the writer and it supposedly bi partisan, What the Hill says of themselves
The Hill describes its output as "nonpartisan reporting on the inner workings of Congress and the nexus of politics and business".

[GONYK]

[robillionaire]

I don't think there should be any more debates. What more do people need to see

[Fury]

I'm friendly with a few Trump voters at my bjj gym. They are all devote Christians. Several of them exemplify the virtues of humility, patience, courage and self-control. I don't think they are racist, I just thing for most of them every election can be boiled down to pro-life vs. pro-choice.

IMO there is a big difference between someone who votes for Trump and the MAGA hat wearing Trump stan. Anyone on here defending Trump probably falls into the second category.

I don't know why people think that everyone who votes, supports, or allows fascists to gain steam is some flag waiving loudmouth. There's many people who support for a variety of reasons without being loud and proud and obnoxious and it at the end of the day, it all counts the same.

[Pointgod]

I'm still kinda shocked at how many neoliberals and so called revolutionary leftists are ignoring his obvious call to action... Like Trump is mobilizing his brownshirts, where's the political leaders openly calling for impeachment and squashing this before we end up the Weimar Republic 2.0.

Like at this point it's not even being overboard to say Trump came mask off, full 100% fascist, and it seems like no one with the power to do anything is taking it any type of seriously. Like why are they discussing Trump saying he will use the SCOTUS to take power regardless of the vote and calling on his brownshirts to murder people and guard the polls the same way we talked about him grabbing women by the pussy? Like one is vulgar and rape, the other is literally him openly saying he will and has already started a fascist takeover of the country.

That link Clyde_Style posted that Trump tweeted for his poll watchers is armyfortrump.com it's not even like it's not blatant. It's as open as open could be. Like seriously he should've been arrested by federal agents ON STAGE after saying that ****.

Like WTF is wrong with the American left? Are we as a collective just stupid and **** and deserving of this because at this point I feel like we must be.

Listen people on the left have been setting the alarm for the past 4 years, back in 2016 when people were warning what Trump would lead to and begging to vote for Clinton. The problem started when enough Americans decided to allow this absolute lunatic gain power.

The left can scream as much as they want to, but Republicans DON’T GIVE A ****. There’s not a single person in Congress that will stand up to him. Everyone in the government is a Trump sycophant. The headlines in the media are still trying to play a both sides argument. The light has been flashing red for years. Democrats in Congress have no power because there’s another party in Congress the refuses to hold the President accountable. This is what a failed state looks like.

It doesn’t matter man, this was a mistake made by the voters and the only peaceful way to resolve this is to vote Trump and Republicans in the Senate out and do it decisively so Trump can shut the **** up.

We don't need Republicans to care. They obviously care more than we do, but they're openly fascists at this point. Democrats definitely have power. At the end of the day we're a majority of the people. We just clearly don't care enough about stopping fascism as they do about enacting it by any means necessary.

You're saying the only solution is to vote him out but again he's openly saying he will not leave office. ON THE DEBATE STAGE. Biden responded to this by basically ignoring him saying that. Again I feel like I'm in bizarro world or something here. Voting at this point is not going to get him out of office alone and the sooner we recognize that the sooner we can combat the fascist takeover he's pretty blatantly and openly planning and alluding to.

I mean if I was Joe Biden I would have said that Id personally drag his fat ass out of the Whitehouse by his hair plugs. However I’m not running for President. Republicans need to call out that Trump’s bull because that’s the only way to delegitimize his claims of voter fraud. It’s as simple as saying that no one should claim a win until every vote has been counted.

And here’s the thing with Trump’s bluster. All he’s doing is setting up an excuse when he loses. Does that look like a man that’s confident in himself? Now I agree that his he’s inciting domestic terrorists because his supporters can’t tell that it’s a built in excuse so it shouldn’t be taken lightly. But if Biden wins, come January 21 there’s no way for Trump to stay. The only way the election can be stolen is if it’s close in all of the swing states, but Trump as telegraphed every single one of his plays, so they’ll rightly be thrown out in court. And there’s one way to ensure it’s not close, vote early, vote in person and vote in large numbers.

[Pointgod]

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The QAnonsense party is embarrassing. The hero worship of their #Cult45 idol never ends. Is she serious? She’s comparing a silver spoon narcissistic grifter to a came from nothing humble underdog? How delusional are these people?

No the delusional part is that to them Trump is the Russian (no irony intended). They didn’t look past a stupid meme on Facebook to realize how the movie ends. These people are literally in their own reality. Check in on right wing twitter from time to its a **** delusional dumpster fire.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm still kinda shocked at how many neoliberals and so called revolutionary leftists are ignoring his obvious call to action... Like Trump is mobilizing his brownshirts, where's the political leaders openly calling for impeachment and squashing this before we end up the Weimar Republic 2.0.

Like at this point it's not even being overboard to say Trump came mask off, full 100% fascist, and it seems like no one with the power to do anything is taking it any type of seriously. Like why are they discussing Trump saying he will use the SCOTUS to take power regardless of the vote and calling on his brownshirts to murder people and guard the polls the same way we talked about him grabbing women by the pussy? Like one is vulgar and rape, the other is literally him openly saying he will and has already started a fascist takeover of the country.

That link Clyde_Style posted that Trump tweeted for his poll watchers is armyfortrump.com it's not even like it's not blatant. It's as open as open could be. Like seriously he should've been arrested by federal agents ON STAGE after saying that ****.

Like WTF is wrong with the American left? Are we as a collective just stupid and **** and deserving of this because at this point I feel like we must be.

Trump will go to prison for insurance fraud and tax evasion, but real justice would be to try and convict him of domestic terrorism.

He's been inciting crime since he got elected. Nobody ever brings up the Balitmore news room where staff were slaughtered by a crazy who was egged on by Trump calling the press the enemy of the people.

These lunatics ingest Trump's BS like he's their prophet and his message is to kill the opposition.

Trump is a terrorist

[HarthorneWingo]

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[HarthorneWingo]

Isnt the hill supposed to be liberal? Well heres one of their writers

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/miss-manners-may-have-been-offended-but-trump-had-the-edge/ar-BB19zj81?ocid=msedgdhp

Mmmm nah, not really. It's a pretty establishment - maybe even right leaning - news site.

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm still kinda shocked at how many neoliberals and so called revolutionary leftists are ignoring his obvious call to action... Like Trump is mobilizing his brownshirts, where's the political leaders openly calling for impeachment and squashing this before we end up the Weimar Republic 2.0.

Like at this point it's not even being overboard to say Trump came mask off, full 100% fascist, and it seems like no one with the power to do anything is taking it any type of seriously. Like why are they discussing Trump saying he will use the SCOTUS to take power regardless of the vote and calling on his brownshirts to murder people and guard the polls the same way we talked about him grabbing women by the pussy? Like one is vulgar and rape, the other is literally him openly saying he will and has already started a fascist takeover of the country.

That link Clyde_Style posted that Trump tweeted for his poll watchers is armyfortrump.com it's not even like it's not blatant. It's as open as open could be. Like seriously he should've been arrested by federal agents ON STAGE after saying that ****.

Like WTF is wrong with the American left? Are we as a collective just stupid and **** and deserving of this because at this point I feel like we must be.

Trump will go to prison for insurance fraud and tax evasion, but real justice would be to try and convict him of domestic terrorism.

He's been inciting crime since he got elected. Nobody ever brings up the Balitmore news room where staff were slaughtered by a crazy who was egged on by Trump calling the press the enemy of the people.

These lunatics ingest Trump's BS like he's their prophet and his message is to kill the opposition.

Trump is a terrorist

Proud Boys is on the FBI domestic terrorists list