The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[kb02]

Multiple top 3 picks? Now who's being ridiculous?

I'm on the same page as you about Fox not being an option for C's for a pick package, but don't think you'd get 1 top 3 pick let alone multiple.

Think you've made your point here though. Don't really see any deals between the C's/Kings given the needs of both.

There is no trade unless Brown is coming back. My reply was to your fellow Celts fan, who is trying to argue that it is wise to trade Fox for multiple non-lotto picks. Quantity does not equal quality. Good luck.

Yeah and he's wrong. Just saying that's also wrong. Good luck to you as well.

As a side note, I do think Simmons would be a great fit for you guys. Fox makes sense for Philly and Hali is legit, that pairing could do some big things. I'd keep calling Morey until he bites and then try to swing Bagley/picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant.

Simmons
Hali
Barnes
Grant
Holmes

Not going to win you any championships, but that's a team you can build on. Would love to see the Kings back in the mix in the West, have a soft spot for them ever since the Webber days.

I think McNair will make a big move and I hope it’s for Simmons. If Simmons comes to the Kings, I’d rather the Kings trade everyone else, except Hali and Mitchell, get another decent pick than go from there.

I think Barnes, Hield, and Bagley are gone this year regardless of whether Fox is traded or not.

Hali or Mitchell will not be traded. Rookie contracts and McNair drafted them.

For your fellow Celts fan, the early 2000 Kings only had two elite shooters, but a bunch of connectors. The shooters were Bibby and Peja. The connectors were Webb, Vlade, and Christie.

[Fierce1]

Webb, Vlade, and Christie could all make 3-point shots if left wide open.

Can't say the same for Ben Simmons.

[Larry_Russell]

No Tatum trade ideas yet?

[reload141]

No Tatum trade ideas yet?

Not yet, but we are interested in trading one Larry_Russell.. hopefully we find some takers. Might need to attach a 1st or a 2nd though.

[bucknersrevenge]

I trtuly wonder if trading for a "better PG" makes sense because we've never really run a PG-centric offense. The Jay's by their very talent are going to have the ball in their hands a fair share. Having a better PG only makes sense with respect to finding perhaps a better shooter to space when necessary but perhaps a weaker defender. And you might as well trade Smart if you do that because there's no way Marcus will ever be happy being a 6th man again. Forget it. It still always boils down to the same thing for this team every year:

veteran shooting

Always at a premium and difficult to add but if you want to help the Jay's we need more veterans who know how to play. Maybe Miles and Johnson can be of help this year as it goes on, who knows. It would be nice to get guys healthy at one time for a change too to see what we have.

[chrisab123]

Fox would be a nice get for this team. No clue what he'd be capable of playing for a real NBA team. Might be an interesting under the radar target for this team if they can make it work

[Curmudgeon]

So much baloney on this thread. The problem with this team is that Tatum and Brown are not good enough. They do not know how to win against good teams. They try to do it all themselves and then they choke.

Pritchard or Langford should have been taking those shots at the end. Instead, our two "stars" were dribbling the ball into double teams and turning it over. How many times have we seen this? It's a friggin broken record.

As Einstein is reputed to have said, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Blow it up.

[bucknersrevenge]

So much baloney on this thread. The problem with this team is that Tatum and Brown are not good enough. They do not know how to win against good teams. They try to do it all themselves and then they choke.

Pritchard or Langford should have been taking those shots at the end. Instead, our two "stars" were dribbling the ball into double teams and turning it over. How many times have we seen this? It's a friggin broken record.

As Einstein is reputed to have said, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Blow it up.

They're not good enough...yet. Either you move them for more experienced players who know how to get the results you're looking for like a Dame or Harden or something or you sit back and let them learn. They don't know how to win games consistently because of their age and inexperience. That's just what it is. They're 25 and 23 now. When they hit 27 and 25 or even 28 and 26 you'll be singing a different tune. But they're not those guys yet.

You want to blow it up, I won't argue but this is what happens when you commit to young players when they're young. You essentially agree to ride out these storms now for the benefit of the rewards we'll reap as they get older.

[GoGreen]

Tatum and Brown aren't there yet, but you don't blow it up imo. 20ppg wings don't grow on trees and we have 2 of them. Have to see where they take us. Not doing much better than them right now.

[Curmudgeon]

Sure, you can wait to see if they get better. But I've seen zero growth in two years. In fact, Tatum has regressed.

They are what they are: too good for the lottery but not good enough to win anything. They've hiched the wagon to two guys who are pretty good, but not good enough. Boston Trailblazers.

[BK_2020]

It's hard to get better when you are already at all NBA level. The law of diminishing returns. That's why you see sizeable growth from guys like Jaylen and less from the likes of Doncic or Tatum.

[Half-Full]

No Tatum trade ideas yet?

Not yet, but we are interested in trading one Larry_Russell.. hopefully we find some takers. Might need to attach a 1st or a 2nd though.

[neno]

Sure, you can wait to see if they get better. But I've seen zero growth in two years. In fact, Tatum has regressed.

They are what they are: too good for the lottery but not good enough to win anything. They've hiched the wagon to two guys who are pretty good, but not good enough. Boston Trailblazers.

Merry Christmas happy new year everybody

[bucknersrevenge]

Sure, you can wait to see if they get better. But I've seen zero growth in two years. In fact, Tatum has regressed.

They are what they are: too good for the lottery but not good enough to win anything. They've hiched the wagon to two guys who are pretty good, but not good enough. Boston Trailblazers.

Zero growth?? I think that's a bit strong. JT has most definitely improved as a passer and overall playmaker. I'm not sure how any person can objectively say that Jaylen hasn't improved, regardless of what you think of his ceiling. He's improved in almost every way. This feels like frustration, which I get but it's just not objective. Has JT had a tough time shooting? Absolutely. You can say this is a copout but I'm telling you it's not. He is 23 years old and asked to be the leader of an already young team. I wouldn't be so quick to give up on him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sure, you can wait to see if they get better. But I've seen zero growth in two years. In fact, Tatum has regressed.

They are what they are: too good for the lottery but not good enough to win anything. They've hiched the wagon to two guys who are pretty good, but not good enough. Boston Trailblazers.

Merry Christmas happy new year everybody

Exactly what you said about Pierce over and over, and you were wrong.

[Curmudgeon]

Sure, you can wait to see if they get better. But I've seen zero growth in two years. In fact, Tatum has regressed.

They are what they are: too good for the lottery but not good enough to win anything. They've hiched the wagon to two guys who are pretty good, but not good enough. Boston Trailblazers.

Merry Christmas happy new year everybody

Exactly what you said about Pierce over and over, and you were wrong.

Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and James Posey are not walking through that door.

And a Merry CFhristmas to everyone. Another 19 point lead blown. Ho Ho Ho.

[neno]

Pierce was a closer not a poser
Al Harrington was a witness
Plenty of other victims
BTW so was ray

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do we want Cam Reddish? Very gettable, apparently, for the best 1st on the table. Due for an extension this summer, but.. if you're able to get him on Williams/JRich money, could be a steal.

Most likely he winds up a Kelly Oubre level player and gets Oubre money, but he's only 22 and there are people who think he has star upside..

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Portland scrambles to keep Lillard happy, could we do something with Al/Schroeder to the Blazers, Covington/Nurkic out (maybe to teams 3 and 4) + DSJ and Elleby to match salary? They'd have a Horford/Cody Zeller/Nance up front, we get major cap relief (Cov/Nurk expiring).. Would MEM do SloMo for Covington for a playoff run?

You could do Al/Schroeder out, SloMo/Joe Harris/two expiring filler guys with Nurkic going to Brooklyn if they decide they need another defensive 5..

[GoGreen]

Do we want Cam Reddish? Very gettable, apparently, for the best 1st on the table. Due for an extension this summer, but.. if you're able to get him on Williams/JRich money, could be a steal.

Most likely he winds up a Kelly Oubre level player and gets Oubre money, but he's only 22 and there are people who think he has star upside..

Eh, idk. I like him but if this team ends up with a lottery pick i don't think I'd give that up unless the draft just isn't very good this year.