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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1801 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:54 pm

marson wrote:Still got a bad taste in my mouth from Herro's Playoff performance this year.

We know he was injured in the end, but man his play against a bad defensive team like the Hawks was just meh.

His Sixers series is bad as well. I have a feeling Riley will hold onto him since that is his fellow bro from Kentucky.


He hasn’t been good in the playoffs since the 2020 ECF. Meanwhile, guys of his similar style in Maxey and Poole have been killing it
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1802 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:01 pm

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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1803 » by Hallstar » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:02 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herros career as a starter: 18-6-4, 42% shooting, 30% from 3 on 6 attempts

Simons career as a starter: 21-3-5, 45% shooting, 42% from 3 on 9 attempts

When given the opportunity Simons has been a much better and efficient player. His skillset fits next to Jimmy and Bam for better as well. His 3 point shooting numbers are elite and his catch and shoot and corner 3 point shootings numbers are at an all time great level

Oh please. We know Herro gets thrown out as a "starter" in all sorts of random lineups when the team is decimated by injuries. That's a significant difference than being assigned a starter with a structured plan.

Last year Simons was an immaculate 6/3/1 in the playoffs, if only Herro could reach that in his 3rd year.

I'm not arguing this bs

We moving the man for Mitchell, that's fine, all these other little looters in a riot....keep it moving
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1804 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:02 pm

If there is a move to be made that legitimately improves the team Herro will be dealt. We are not simply going to dump him because some people perceive him to have peaked at 22 years old.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1805 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:05 pm

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Lol. If the Hawks trade some combo of John Collins, Kevin Huerter and a pick for Rudy Hoebert we should send them a bouquet
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1806 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:13 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herros career as a starter: 18-6-4, 42% shooting, 30% from 3 on 6 attempts

Simons career as a starter: 21-3-5, 45% shooting, 42% from 3 on 9 attempts

When given the opportunity Simons has been a much better and efficient player. His skillset fits next to Jimmy and Bam for better as well. His 3 point shooting numbers are elite and his catch and shoot and corner 3 point shootings numbers are at an all time great level

Oh please. We know Herro gets thrown out as a "starter" in all sorts of random lineups when the team is decimated by injuries. That's a significant difference than being assigned a starter with a structured plan.

Last year Simons was an immaculate 6/3/1 in the playoffs, if only Herro could reach that in his 3rd year.

I'm not arguing this bs

We moving the man for Mitchell, that's fine, all these other little looters in a riot....keep it moving


So Herro wasn’t a starter to start last season (something that would’ve been structured through the offseason and training camp) before getting benched in place of Nunn because it wasn’t working and he can’t guard a traffic cone? You of all people should remember that, I’m sure you were sick about it.

You just going to completely ignore the facts that Simons wasn’t even close to being a top option in those playoffs last season? You just ignoring the 56% shooting from the field and 61% shooting from 3? I honestly thought you were better than just throwing numbers out there without using any sort of context.

Idk why you’re so obsessed with the dude, he has so many glaring weaknesses in his game. Simons is a far better fit and it’s not even debatable
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1807 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:15 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:If there is a move to be made that legitimately improves the team Herro will be dealt. We are not simply going to dump him because some people perceive him to have peaked at 22 years old.


He hasn’t peaked, he’s just not very good and doesn’t show up on either side of the court when it matters and he’s due a max contract soon. We need to sell high. I could see him maybe reaching CJ McCollum levels at his peak when he’s 28 or so but we need that now, not later
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Post#1808 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:19 pm

“This could be a year, and (Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra) and I will sit down a talk about it, about how can Bam be developed in a way to improve his consistent shot ability every night,” Riley said. “Getting 15 shots every night, quality shots that he can get, he can create — whether it’s in the post or at the elbow. He can be very prolific at times, but it can’t always be on effort, on running, on getting offensive rebounds, on lob dunks, on little floaters.”


This could be the line drawn on Bam aggressiveness this year. Otherwise he might not be an untouchable
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1809 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:21 pm

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“This could be a year, and (Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra) and I will sit down a talk about it, about how can Bam be developed in a way to improve his consistent shot ability every night,” Riley said. “Getting 15 shots every night, quality shots that he can get, he can create — whether it’s in the post or at the elbow. He can be very prolific at times, but it can’t always be on effort, on running, on getting offensive rebounds, on lob dunks, on little floaters.”


This could be the line drawn on Bam aggressiveness this year. Otherwise he might not be an untouchable


Glad Riley sees the scheme also needs to change and he needs to be more involved in our offensive sets. Give him the same amount of shots as Herro and he’s giving us 23 a night minimum
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1810 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:31 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Hallstar wrote:LMAO @ trading Herro for Simons, that's the exact grass is greener foolishness I speak about on here. (no one trades away an emerging young star...except our fanbase)

https://stathead.com/tiny/sxeb5


Rank these players: Herro, Simons, Maxey, & Poole



Simons
Poole
Herro
Maxey
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1811 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:33 pm

HerroBalls wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Hallstar wrote:LMAO @ trading Herro for Simons, that's the exact grass is greener foolishness I speak about on here. (no one trades away an emerging young star...except our fanbase)

https://stathead.com/tiny/sxeb5


Rank these players: Herro, Simons, Maxey, & Poole



Simons
Poole
Herro
Maxey


I actually think Maxey might be 2nd.

21-4-4 in the playoffs on great efficiency says a lot for me
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1812 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:34 pm

twix2500 wrote:
“This could be a year, and (Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra) and I will sit down a talk about it, about how can Bam be developed in a way to improve his consistent shot ability every night,” Riley said. “Getting 15 shots every night, quality shots that he can get, he can create — whether it’s in the post or at the elbow. He can be very prolific at times, but it can’t always be on effort, on running, on getting offensive rebounds, on lob dunks, on little floaters.”


This could be the line drawn on Bam aggressiveness this year. Otherwise he might not be an untouchable



I don't hear them questioning his aggressiveness. I see Riley questioning small ball.

Get a guy to defend near the rim and give him support on the court inside throughout the game and allow him to use his energy creating offensively.

I see this as an admission that we need to get bigger so we don't have undersized players switching every single time.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1813 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:36 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herros career as a starter: 18-6-4, 42% shooting, 30% from 3 on 6 attempts

Simons career as a starter: 21-3-5, 45% shooting, 42% from 3 on 9 attempts

When given the opportunity Simons has been a much better and efficient player. His skillset fits next to Jimmy and Bam for better as well. His 3 point shooting numbers are elite and his catch and shoot and corner 3 point shootings numbers are at an all time great level

Oh please. We know Herro gets thrown out as a "starter" in all sorts of random lineups when the team is decimated by injuries. That's a significant difference than being assigned a starter with a structured plan.

Last year Simons was an immaculate 6/3/1 in the playoffs, if only Herro could reach that in his 3rd year.

I'm not arguing this bs

We moving the man for Mitchell, that's fine, all these other little looters in a riot....keep it moving


Do you think Simons wasn't thrown into fires with Lillard playing in omly 29 games this season and McCollum getting traded?
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1814 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:36 pm

Herro scored 13 PPG in his 3rd season in the playoffs on 12 attempts.

Simons scored 21 PPG in his 3rd season in the playoffs adjusted to 12 FGA. He didn’t have near the same opportunities
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Post#1815 » by AirP. » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:39 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:If there is a move to be made that legitimately improves the team Herro will be dealt. We are not simply going to dump him because some people perceive him to have peaked at 22 years old.

He's an asset, not a guy to be dumped.

The realistic floor for Herro as he gets older is that he becomes a more consistent shooter, adds 1 or more counters to what he's seeing from the defense now and his body will continue to mature where he "could" play tougher on defense. The ceiling probably is a mid 20s scorer (although as a starter he'll see much tougher defense) while probably still being a negative on the defensive end because of his wingspan, strength and quickness at the NBA level. The guy is a worker to have as much skill as he does this early in his career.

The biggest issue long term is his contract and being able to put enough good players around him to compete for a championship which I don't think is possible with his level of defense. You'd basically need to build an all offensive type team with a legit shot blocker to try to cover up some mistakes and grab rebounds which is what Atlanta is doing with Trae Young and why they're considering upgrading from Capella to Gobert while giving Okongwu more time to develop before he's a starter.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

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Post#1818 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:02 pm

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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1819 » by SoFlaKingReal » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:08 pm

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Pat Bevs craziness on the Heat :o


How does Beverley improve the team?

In looking at potential players to add, ask yourself how could that player have helped us beat Boston.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1820 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:11 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Pat Bevs craziness on the Heat :o


How does Beverley improve the team?

In looking at potential players to add, ask yourself how could that player have helped us beat Boston.


Hell if he can hit a wide open 3 he’d be an improvement off that alone
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