Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[AtheJ415]

Okay here is my idea of a trade that I believe:
A) makes the Suns better
B) opens up time to develop Goodwin, Warren, and Ennis
C) works under the realgm trade checker

The Suns trade G. Dragic, Thomas, Green, Plumlee, and Z. Dragic for Joe Johnson. I would have liked to keep Green but his salary is needed for financial reasons. The new Suns lineup would be:

Bledsoe/Ennis/Goodwin
Johnson/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Warren/Bullock
Markieff/Marcus/Tucker
Len/Wright/Markieff

Goodbye dual and three point guard lineup (which I think is the dumbest idea possible). No longer are the Suns undersized at the wings getting destroyed by the opponent by being so undersized. No real center other than Len but it is not like Plumlee is so great.

Would the Suns bench scoring take a major hit? Probably, until the young guys develop and then most likely become awesome. Would the Suns gain a veteran presence that has taken big shots his entire career and would drastically help down the stretch of games and provide leadership? Absolutely.

I think Dragic is going to leave the Suns without a doubt. Plus no way in hell would I give him the contract Bledsoe got and he is probably going to get offered more than that from someone. Secondly I would love to get rid of Thomas' me first, ball hogging, ball stopping attitude. I still love watching Green when he is on but like I said before his salary needs to be included to make the deal work. Z. Dragic and Plumlee? So long.

Why do I make this trade if I am the Suns? The Suns are desperate to make the playoffs and everyone knows they are not going to. Replacing low IQ players with Joe Johnson makes a dramatic improvement. Just imagine if the Suns had Johnson on the team to take all those shots at the end of games like against the Clippers, Thunder, or Grizzlies. Those are games that Jonson can win for you. He has done it his entire career. Johnson can also provide leadership to all the young players on the team. I think having him instead of the other guys on this team gives the Suns a much better chance to make the playoffs. He is also only signed for one year after this.

Why does Brooklyn make the trade? Pure salary dump. The only long term salary they keep after this trade is Thomas' decreasing salary. Everyone else they can let walk at the end of the season if they want to. Saves them about 18 million dollars off of next years cap. It is well known they want to trade everyone on their team and this is a good trade for them to save a lot of money on. Then if they want they can actually try to re-sign any of those guys as well.

Seems to make sense to me. Gives the Suns a better chance to make the playoffs while at the same time opening up lots of playing time for the young guys. Why not? Bledsoe, Johnson, and Tucker would be great defensively too. Suns have to make a change if they want to be a playoff team and this could be it.

I lol'd.

[Kerrsed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcseatj

Pacers get: DragicX2/Noel
76ers get: IT/MorrisX2
Suns get: George/MCW

Next Season = Bledsoe/Tucker/George/Wright?/Len

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/555811002345078786[/tweet]

Pacers get a mini rebuild with their PG of the future (and his brother) and a highly touted defensive big that can play PF next to Hibbert at C or C next to West at PF.

76ers get the improvement at PG that they are reportedly looking for. They also get the hometown twins that should fit their team a little better next season next to Embiid.

Suns gamble on a former all-star that suffered a bad looking injury. At best he remains the player that he was pre-injury, at worst he goes the route of Danny Granger. MCW would be a decent PG but he has a HORRIBLE shot. I mean its REAL BAD! Rubio has a nicer shooting form than MCW has. But the nice thing is that our head coach has helped multiple players fix their shot and turned them into great shooter (see Matthews/Hayward). At 6'6 and having the ability to average 7 rebounds and 6 assists on a horrible team, if we could fix his shooting, we could have a mini (yet taller) Bledsoe on our hands. This would make Ennis expendable in trade (Toronto?), as i believe MCW has a much higher ceiling than Ennis.

[AtheJ415]

How about this one? Goran Dragic, Markieff, Thomas, and Plumlee for Deron Williams. We get an experienced all star and open up PT for the rookies!

How about Goran for Perkins?

Better yet, is there anyway we can get Josh Smith at his $13.5 million number? If so, we can unload Goran, IT, and Plumlee! #Winning

[DaleyBlind]

Joe Johnson...really?...................REALLY??!!

[DaleyBlind]

That Paul George trade can blow up in our faces if he doesn't return to his old form...very very risky

[asudevil]

The trade opens up so much playing time for the young guys. Johnson takes Dragic's minutes while Goodwin, Warren, and Ennis take Thomas' and Green's minutes. You get rid of three rotational players for one. Automatically opens up time for the young players on the team. What don't you see about that?

THATS NOT THE POINT. JJ at $10mil is a player i wouldnt mind on this team. JJ at $23mil and $25mil HURTS the suns more than helps.

Honestly, i'd at this point just rather release Dragic/Green to free up playing time, than commit almost $50mil to JJ. Financially it makes no sense......and seriously.....there a hundred other trades that make more sense than bringing in JJ for that group.

even trades that we hate make more sense, and give us more value. Dragic alone is worth more than JJ.

hell....IT/Green/Plumlee is worth more than JJ. Besides, holding onto Dragic and trading the rest for value serves the SAME purpose as trading for JJ. and the suns dont have to shell out $25mil for Dragic next year.

You are best served trying to trade IT/Green/Plumlee for some package, and keep Dragic, because you honestly cannot say that JJ helps this team more than Dragic at that price. You just cant.

Len/Wright
Markieff/Marcus
Tucker/Warren
Dragic/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Ennis

+ additional cap space AND value brought in by trading just IT/Green/Plumlee

vs

Len/Wright
Markieff/Marcus
Tucker/Warren
JJ/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Ennis

+ 25mil owed to JJ for 2015-16 season

Well I have literally said at least three times now, if you guys do not like the Joe Johnson trade, then think of another trade. Johnson was just an idea to help unclog the point guard jam and give the young guys playing time. I thought of this trade because it allows the Suns to unload several players while only taking back one in return.

FINE...and i hate this trade. Dragic for T.Jones/Terry/Pelicans 1st. that by itself is better than trading for JJ. so STOP.

Your trade just offloaded talent and cleared up a back court for value that was 1/3 of what SHOULD/COULD be done. "trade Dragic for crap because we give our young guys an opportunity." FINE, but instead of trading Dragic for GARBAGE give us something valuable.

So, if i HAD to make i decision:

Dragic/Plumlee
for
T.Jones/Terry/Moti/Pelicans 1st

so much better than trading Dragic/Green/Thomas/Plumlee for Joe FREAKING Johnson.

THEN:

IT/Green
for
Jennings/Meeks/Lotto Protected First

SO i'd rather have

Len/Moti/Wright
Markieff/Jones
Tucker/Marcus/Warren
Meeks/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Ennis/Jennings

than

Len/Wright
Morris/Marcus
Tucker/Warren
JJ/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Ennis

And IF there are those who think that my trades are lopsided in favor of the suns...i'd GLADLY trade a future first rounder OVER trading for JJ.

[Bogyo]

I still think Batum would be great for the suns.

Tucker, Green, Plumlee and a pick.

Batum is a legit borderline star, could be the Bogut effect for the Suns (Bogut makes Warriors a contender)

I'd make that in a heartbeat. Add IT from our part, and TRob from their, and we can even talk about the Lakers pick - althouth I'm not 100% sure about this, just messing around.

[AtheJ415]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcseatj

Pacers get: DragicX2/Noel
76ers get: IT/MorrisX2
Suns get: George/MCW

Next Season = Bledsoe/Tucker/George/Wright?/Len

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/555811002345078786[/tweet]

Pacers get a mini rebuild with their PG of the future (and his brother) and a highly touted defensive big that can play PF next to Hibbert at C or C next to West at PF.

76ers get the improvement at PG that they are reportedly looking for. They also get the hometown twins that should fit their team a little better next season next to Embiid.

Suns gamble on a former all-star that suffered a bad looking injury. At best he remains the player that he was pre-injury, at worst he goes the route of Danny Granger. MCW would be a decent PG but he has a HORRIBLE shot. I mean its REAL BAD! Rubio has a nicer shooting form than MCW has. But the nice thing is that our head coach has helped multiple players fix their shot and turned them into great shooter (see Matthews/Hayward). At 6'6 and having the ability to average 7 rebounds and 6 assists on a horrible team, if we could fix his shooting, we could have a mini (yet taller) Bledsoe on our hands. This would make Ennis expendable in trade (Toronto?), as i believe MCW has a much higher ceiling than Ennis.

I would pass on MCW, although I'm not sure what else anybody would want from Philly aside from picks. If the med staff signed off on George, you have to do it because if there's anything you should trust with this org it's the med staff. I'd really prefer to somehow keep Markieff though. I know you like these uber defensive teams, but I'd trade Tucker and Plumlee before Kieff (think that works from our end without MCW and with those 2 instead of Kieff). I'm just not a big fan of Tucker at the 2. He'd be the worst offensive 2 that I can think of in the league off the top of my head, and teams like Houston that rely heavily on 1 guard on O really struggle if that guy isn't on (lucky for them it doesn't happen much with Harden).

With that mod it would be Bledsoe, Green (for now, replace him in offseason or see if Goodwin is finally ready for PT next year), George, Kieff, Len. That's more balanced and has more upside to me. Then backups are Ennis, Goodwin, Warren, ____(we don't have a backup PF lol. Sign earl barron I suppose), and Wright. That way our 2nd unit has a rim protector in Wright still available.

While I realize this would split up the Morris bros., they'll get over it. I think we could sub picks for Kieff if Philly was really insistent on him, or else get picks in return to include him.

[Qwigglez]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcseatj

Pacers get: DragicX2/Noel
76ers get: IT/MorrisX2
Suns get: George/MCW

Next Season = Bledsoe/Tucker/George/Wright?/Len


Pacers get a mini rebuild with their PG of the future (and his brother) and a highly touted defensive big that can play PF next to Hibbert at C or C next to West at PF.

76ers get the improvement at PG that they are reportedly looking for. They also get the hometown twins that should fit their team a little better next season next to Embiid.

Suns gamble on a former all-star that suffered a bad looking injury. At best he remains the player that he was pre-injury, at worst he goes the route of Danny Granger. MCW would be a decent PG but he has a HORRIBLE shot. I mean its REAL BAD! Rubio has a nicer shooting form than MCW has. But the nice thing is that our head coach has helped multiple players fix their shot and turned them into great shooter (see Matthews/Hayward). At 6'6 and having the ability to average 7 rebounds and 6 assists on a horrible team, if we could fix his shooting, we could have a mini (yet taller) Bledsoe on our hands. This would make Ennis expendable in trade (Toronto?), as i believe MCW has a much higher ceiling than Ennis.

I really like the idea of bringing in Paul George. I'm not sure if the Pacers would do this, but I'm certain most Suns fans would.
Dragic/Warren/Ennis/Goodwin/Zoran Lakers 1st for Paul George

Why do the Pacers do this? Rebuild with three solid young guns, and having the bird rights to Dragic (I believe, not so sure), plus the Lakers pick. Warren to be mentored by his mentor David West.
Suns get their star, though this is a very shaky foundation with Bledsoe/George/Len all having a history of medical concerns. I would frikkin do it though. George is a stud defender, and I'm sure he can return to his former self. He has a pretty reliable jumper, so it's not like he was relying solely on athleticism like a Derrick Rose.
I don't think we have the money, but imagine signing Wes Mathews over the offseason. Kieff's defensive deficiencies would be masked by the other four starters. IT has an amazing support cast on the bench who should help his defensive deficiencies as well.
Bledsoe/Mathews/George/Kieff/Len
IT/Bullock/Tucker/Wright/Plumlee

[AtheJ415]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcseatj

Pacers get: DragicX2/Noel
76ers get: IT/MorrisX2
Suns get: George/MCW

Next Season = Bledsoe/Tucker/George/Wright?/Len


Pacers get a mini rebuild with their PG of the future (and his brother) and a highly touted defensive big that can play PF next to Hibbert at C or C next to West at PF.

76ers get the improvement at PG that they are reportedly looking for. They also get the hometown twins that should fit their team a little better next season next to Embiid.

Suns gamble on a former all-star that suffered a bad looking injury. At best he remains the player that he was pre-injury, at worst he goes the route of Danny Granger. MCW would be a decent PG but he has a HORRIBLE shot. I mean its REAL BAD! Rubio has a nicer shooting form than MCW has. But the nice thing is that our head coach has helped multiple players fix their shot and turned them into great shooter (see Matthews/Hayward). At 6'6 and having the ability to average 7 rebounds and 6 assists on a horrible team, if we could fix his shooting, we could have a mini (yet taller) Bledsoe on our hands. This would make Ennis expendable in trade (Toronto?), as i believe MCW has a much higher ceiling than Ennis.

I really like the idea of bringing in Paul George. I'm not sure if the Pacers would do this, but I'm certain most Suns fans would.
Dragic/Warren/Ennis/Goodwin/Zoran Lakers 1st for Paul George

Why do the Pacers do this? Rebuild with three solid young guns, and having the bird rights to Dragic (I believe, not so sure), plus the Lakers pick. Warren to be mentored by his mentor David West.
Suns get their star, though this is a very shaky foundation with Bledsoe/George/Len all having a history of medical concerns. I would frikkin do it though. George is a stud defender, and I'm sure he can return to his former self. He has a pretty reliable jumper, so it's not like he was relying solely on athleticism like a Derrick Rose.
I don't think we have the money, but imagine signing Wes Mathews over the offseason. Kieff's defensive deficiencies would be masked by the other four starters. IT has an amazing support cast on the bench who should help his defensive deficiencies as well.
Bledsoe/Mathews/George/Kieff/Len
IT/Bullock/Tucker/Wright/Plumlee

I wouldn't. That's 4 first rounders including 2 lotto picks plus an a borderline all-star player. That's just more than I've ever seen moved for a star player. I realize Warren, Ennis, and Goodwin haven't proven anything yet, but neither has any 1st rounder.

[thamadkant]

The thing with Paul George is, Larry Bird loves him, if Harden is Morey's magnum opus, then Bird's would be George.

And by chance Bird let's him go, likely it's because he is not the same George anymore... So Suns will likely be getting a non-star Paul George...

If miracles can happen, I'll take it though.


Maybe offer Dragic, Morris twins, Tucker, Suns 2016 pick for George.

Pacers continue to be competitive out east in the next 5 years.

[Qwigglez]

You must not remember what Paul George is capable of producing. He scored 21 points in the 4th quarter against the Miami Heat on the brink of elimination. It's hard to score against Miami (was, with Lebron I mean). He's only 24 years old. We could watch him, Bledsoe, and Len turn this team into a dynasty. Him and Bled are already locked up for the next 5 years. The only issue I have is like I mentioned earlier. The history of injuries. But PG's injury was just a freak thing. If you are capable of attaining such a player without giving up your two best assets (Bled & Len), you absolutely do it.
Honestly though, I highly doubt that Larry Bird would be stupid enough to trade him. He's a great kid, and he's capable of being a top 5 player in the league right now (pre-injury). I'm not even sure Bird would trade him if we gave up the Lakers pick and our own pick included.

[Qwigglez]

The thing with Paul George is, Larry Bird loves him, if Harden is Morey's magnum opus, then Bird's would be George.

And by chance Bird let's him go, likely it's because he is not the same George anymore... So Suns will likely be getting a non-star Paul George...

If miracles can happen, I'll take it though.


Maybe offer Dragic, Morris twins, Tucker, Suns 2016 pick for George.

Pacers continue to be competitive out east in the next 5 years.

I imagine Bird's only reason to trade him early is because he doesn't want to see PG become what Rose has become. I don't think Rose has positive trade value because of his contract and his inability to stay on the court and the abundance of PG's in the league now a days.

[Kerrsed]

The thing with Paul George is, Larry Bird loves him, if Harden is Morey's magnum opus, then Bird's would be George.

And by chance Bird let's him go, likely it's because he is not the same George anymore... So Suns will likely be getting a non-star Paul George...

If miracles can happen, I'll take it though.


Maybe offer Dragic, Morris twins, Tucker, Suns 2016 pick for George.

Pacers continue to be competitive out east in the next 5 years.

Of course Bird loves him, EVERY GM IN THE LEAGUE LOVES HIM! I just think if the offer is good enough, Indiana would have to think about it. If they could get multiple young players to reboot their dead franchise for a player that was great, but suffered a bad injury then they just might do it. Just look at how bad their franchise is right now. Take a good in-depth look at it. Let me break it down:

1.Their best player is an over the hill PF that has one year left on his contract and is better suited in an Elton Brand role, coming off the bench and being a vet to teach the youngsters. (DAVID WEST)
2. Their 2nd best player is an overpaid C that has gone downhill ever since he got his new contract. We know first hand that they have already tried to trade him (to us as a matter of fact). (ROY HIBBERT)
3. They are so desperate right now that Ainge thinks its a good idea to try and bring back Stephenson's crazy ass, who go overpaid in FA and has played HORRIBLY this season.
4. They really dont have any REAL good young prospects on their team. Half their team consists of guys with D-League talent and not much more. Whittington? Rudez? Hill? Copeland? Allen? Sloan? We are talking about undrafted players and a few late 2nd round picks.
5. They have 7 players on 1 year deals (most of the guys mentioned in #4). They will be looking at a rebuild next year no matter what.
6. Did you know Scola is still alive? I didnt either, but i guess he is on the Pacers roster.

We also know that they have shown alot of interest in trading for Dragic (but we turned them down as we wernt interested in Hibbert (Their current #2 Player).

Their whole franchise needs a massive rebuild. If they can get 3-4 good young players (3 of which could be starters) for George, they would be stupid for not thinking hard about it. I look at it kind of like what Denver did. Granted they have been pretty bad this season due to injury's, but they got a solid package for Melo to help them rebuild their team. Now i understand Melo was expiring and George is not, but Melo was in perfect health with no injury history and George is the opposite.

Bird would love Dragic. I think he already does, hence why they have been trying to trade for him. He would be the perfect PG for them to start a rebuild around. No need to spend time developing a PG, he comes ready to go.

I originally had the MoBros going to the Pacers (before i switched it to send them to Philly in a 3-way), but still, Keiff would be a decent PF for them to use, and i believe they will be stuck with Hibbert, so Keiff should be able to slide into that stretch 4 role perfectly. Kieff is offensively talented and can hit the 3. He doesnt spend much time playing defense or going for rebounds, so its perfect that Hibbert is the exact opposite, spending his time in the paint playing defense and rebounding while doing little else. This would also give them a way to trade West to a playoff contender for more young assets as well (Maybe a decent SG or SF). I think this 3-way would work out great: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzo37tx

Suns get: George/Filler Players from Indy
Pacers get: DragicX2/MorrisX2/Stephenson/MKG
Hornets get: West/Green/Filler Players from Indy

Indiana gets a damn good rebuild right away at the cost of George/West/Filler.

Dragic/Stephenson/MKG/Morris/Hibbert --- A good blend of offense and defense!

Hornets get that final playoff push. Walker/Henderson/Green/West/Jefferson

Suns get a former all-star.

You have to admit that even if for some ungodly reason Indy turned it down, the Pacers would have to really really really really think hard about it.

/END OF LONG ASS HOUR LONG POST.

[TASTIC]

^I love getting George, but Jesus man that CRUSHES our depth AND any chance this year...And you're banking on PG coming back healthy or you've literally got nothing to show for 5 players

[Revived]

Where can I get the cliffnotes for Kerrsed's post?

[Kerrsed]

Where can I get the cliffnotes for Kerrsed's post?

KERRSED'S CLIFFNOTES

I think we could get Paul George for the right package.

Indiana really doesnt have much of a future with their current roster.

I think we could work a 3-way with the Pacers and Hornets (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzo37tx).

It would be a great way for Indiana to rebuild for the years to come.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I say get your Top 10 player and 2 All-Stars ASAP. It's basically the single criteria to become a contender.

Morris x 2, Tucker, Thomas, Green, Plumlee, Warren, Ennis, Wright, Goodwin, Bullock are all replaceable by free agents, trades and draft picks. They cost us 6 picks outside the top 13, Scola and Randolf. That's basically junk assets and we built a good bench, we can do it again once we have a core championship team in place.

[Fo-Real]

Solid first post dude.... dont listen to most of the guys around here. They will try to break your spirit and convince you that you dont know basketball. If I were on my computer and not my phone I would post the scene from back to school after Dangerfield answered Kinison..... "Good answer.......good answer"!!!!

[bigfoot]

I say get your Top 10 player and 2 All-Stars ASAP. It's basically the single criteria to become a contender.

Morris x 2, Tucker, Thomas, Green, Plumlee, Warren, Ennis, Wright, Goodwin, Bullock are all replaceable by free agents, trades and draft picks. They cost us 6 picks outside the top 13, Scola and Randolf. That's basically junk assets and we built a good bench, we can do it again once we have a core championship team in place.

So ZDragic, GDragic, Bledsoe, and Len are what? All-stars or a top 10 player? Personally all-star doesn't mean much with the fan voting. A popular player doesn't necessarily mean they are all-star level. Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony are two perfect examples. Big cities, big fan base, teams losing badly. Give Bledsoe 25 shots per game and he would score close to 30 pts nightly. His team might lose and he still could get voted in because he's a leading scorer in the league.

Really what we are looking for are players who are the best at their respective positions. A good measure of that is Real Plus Minus (RPM), a combination of offensive and defensive Real Plus Minus, it measures the players on both ends of the court.

PG - Bledsoe (currently ranked 8th out of all PGs in the league).

SG - Dragic (currently ranked 17th out of all SGs in the league). Last year he was #2 at SG but really played PG most of the time. If slotted over as a PG he would have ranked 6th in 2013/2014.

SF - Tucker(currently ranked 16th out of all SFs in the league).

PF - Markieff (currently ranked 3rd out of all PFs in the league). He is well balanced on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball as indicated by his RPM scores. This probably surprises a lot of folks but many of us say Kief is the most consistent player on the team. Usually nothing flashy but just gets the job done.

C - Len (currently ranked 33 out of all Cs in the league). He's very good defensively but his offensive RPM is actually negative.

In this case, Bledsoe and Kief are keepers. Len is also a keeper since he is young and has significant growth potential. Means we need to be on the hunt for a superstar player at the SG and SF positions. Unless we have one in Goodwin, Warren, or Bogdanovic. Since we have Len, Kief, and Bledsoe wrapped up for four more years it wouldn't hurt to see how these players develop.