Trade Discussion

[NavLDO]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/02/28/phoenix-suns-buy-out-kris-humphries/81069216/

He was an option for next season but at the end of the day he is not an stater quality player so I am OK with that.

Oh wow, didn't expect this, but glad it happened. Humphries is just bad and doesn't fit our style of play. I don't think many teams will be clamoring for his services though.

Would have been a nice contract to have around come draft time and/or free agency. -- But, but, but...I though McD was selfish and heartless and was just a big 'meanie' when it came to players and their feelings. Who cares if Humphries doesn't want to play for a loser for another 25 games!! We should keep him just to aid in a potential deal during the summer...
(I wouldn't have minded him as our 3rd string C/PF actually, but don't really care all that much.)
Might be smarter to give his place to our 2nd round pick if we got a PF/C there. Yawn.

Humphries may be able to latch on to a contender; he's likely better than a lot of other Bench 4s out there, and he'll come cheap. He's a decent Rebounder, if nothing else.

[Frank Lee]

whoops

[Frank Lee]

Gee thanks Nav... should have said 'miscalculated with his following maneuvers' ... does that make it better? It's more literarily, correct, I suppose, but it still ignores two very critically salient points. 1. Kieff and CusMo brought upon themselves their departure, all by their onesies. And 2. Gor-'wah' Dragic made WAAAYYY too big of a deal about McD's moves to improve the team. It's this 2nd point that you seem to never take on as being the truth. And, it's this point, that you and I will likely disagree upon 'til the end of time.

Way too big a deal eh? To improve ???? You do not think he was given so much lip service (or silence about his future) that he finally said 'the hell with these guys'? The dude has never said anything bad about anyone. All reports say the nicest guy, loved phoenix.....so yeah, its all on him. In his contract yr he was marginalized. HIS team taken away from him, after a CAREER YEAR. He was publicly neutered of almost all PG duties in the name of the MIGHTY HYDRA (which was purely a promotional scheme rather than a BBall one.) We have yet to have anything that resembles an offensive since his departure. Have you ever thought about that? Put aside the butthurt emotion for a moment and think about that. Just a pity Dragic and Bledsoe could not go through one more year together. That was arguably one the top 3 most lethal, difficult back courts in the league.

Thank goodness he spoke up and outted this spin mastering promo team we call a Front Office. If anything, the reaction of Cryin Ryan and Babbler supported Dragic's request. And then further emphasized with Sarver's bitchy ex-girlfriend routine over a handshake. Hell, he could have said nothing and just walked. The whole thing was unnecessary.... except for the candy store greed from BoyBlunder. Do you think McMulligan (this will be my choice from here out) went to Dragic and assured him that IT was being traded, and that things were going to go back to the way things were when we had 'the one man fast break' running the show??? It has been said before, the FO does not discuss trades with their players. Communication validates honesty and trust.

Dragic and I both lost trust in this organization. Many did.
PS... before you red ink your next thesis.... it is now up to McMulligan to restore the trust.

[Mulhollanddrive]

That lasted as long as his wedding.

Looks like we'll go with twin towers, whatever it takes to keep Teletovic out of our tank, he's playing for a 4 year deal, not our future interests!

[Frank Lee]

I'd sign Mirza up.... 3 yr with an option. He's the type of player you need on a team. Kind of like Scola, who I was sad to see go, though the return was good. Heck, Scola would have been our best PF for the past 2 yrs.

[NavLDO]

I think the next 3 years is a good time to be bad, unless Curry retires to play baseball.

Watson talked about this, that he's not looking at Cleveland or GSW or Spurs or OKC, he's looking at Portland in 5 years time with their back court as our competition.

Probably a smart thing to do. Although you never know in the NBA. If GSW gets Durant this offseason it might just mess them up enough that a well constructed team could beat them. Or they win 80 games .

I do like this strategy, ofcourse it would need some (a lot?) of patience from fans, management and ownership, and I'm not so sure about these three.

The Grizzlies, Warriors and Thunders - they all SUCKED for a long time. Sucked like the Suns are sucking this year - to get to where they are. Its tough and painful.

Booker is the building block. I think he can be like Klay Thompson. A true two guard.
That's one piece - they have a lot more to go - but draft picks, cap space - its a start. I think Bledsoe is another building block. TJ warren. Alex Len. Knight is tricky one. IF he is willing to be a back up guard - (still getting paid his 14m) - will be his best role. Or he is traded

Durant to GSW makes no sense to me. He needs to the ball. He is an alpha like Curry is.

Which is why it bothers me, and some others here, that there are fans that want to blow up the team...again...along with the GM. It takes patience; and yes, it is quite difficult and 'un-fun' to go through this all, as we are, while being patient.

But look at the Warriors from '97/'98 season through their '01/'02 season:

19-63
21-29
19-63
17-65
21-61

Other than their '98/'99 season, where their record was .420, they were perennially .250ish or worse; that's just flat out atrocious, and that was 5 years straight.

The Grizzlies have been sub-.300 for 10 of their 21 seasons in the league, or almost half, of their existence.

And OKC/Seattle was sub-.300 for two straight seasons, following a 35-47 and a 31-51 seasons.

We've only been that bad once since our first season in '68/'69...and that's this season, with our 25-57 ('12/'13) and our 29-53 ('03/'04) seasons being the only other 'putrid' seasons we've suffered. That's pretty remarkable.

Then add in the fact that this season is the only season in McD's tenure that we've suffered so, and that we can fairly confidently attribute at least some of our losses to the 'tank' effort.

I think a fair number of Suns' fans don't know what it's like to be truly 'terrible' for any extended period of time, and thus, know how to be patient during a rebuild period. And I only know how it feels to be a fan of a 'terribad' team thanks to my 'fandom' of the Orioles in the MLB. And please don't take this the wrong way; I'm trying not to come across with a 'holier then thou' attitude. I'm just trying to bring to light the fact that we as Suns' fans aren't used to this type of situation, and yes, me included.

Anyway, I just hope Sarver gives McD another 2 seasons beyond this one to make us a playoff team again. I'd much rather 'suck' next year, than for McD to make a couple of minor 'vet' moves that may improve us enough to get an 8th seed, but in the long run, will hinder our development over the long haul. I'm ok with trading Knight, Chandler, Tucker, or even Bledsoe for other veterans, but what I don't want to see, is keeping those guys, while adding other moderately-high-priced veterans, while trading away our young core.

This is what I'd like to see on our Roster next season; anyone else is 'gravy'. (With Bledsoe and Knight as the ONLY guys I'd be ok with being traded away, as I REALLY hope we keep Teletovic, as well as Leuer, even though he's seen his minutes diminish)

Bledsoe / Goodwin (as a 1 or 2)
Booker
Warren / Bogdanovic (as a 2 or 3)
Leuer / Teletovic
Len

Rookie, Rookie, and Rookie.

That makes 11

Weems, Tucker, Chandler, Price, Pressy and Jenkins can all go away...

[Bogyo]

NavLDO, no hard feelings I got it. Speculation is speculation, on your part or mine. I think McD meant something else, but since we can not prove it one way or another, no need to argue about it onandonandon when we can't agree about such thing.
I just happened to see it (first?) on realgm, and posted cuz it was intresting Suns news.

Yeah, sorry, I'm really bad about droning on about points; don't think I can't recognize that I do, ESPECIALLY when I have so many posters here that love to remind me of my 'flaw' overandoverandoverandover again! LOL!! Sorry, again. But honestly, I wasn't calling you out at all; at least my intention wasn't to call you out. I was just trying to show how many different scenarios could play out when speculating. And I don't think I necessarily disagreed with you; again, I was just trying to show all the different ways it could be interpreted.

Hahaha, again, no hard feelings whatsoever. I got a lot of family in law, they are like that with droning about points.
I enjoy reading (most) other peoples scenarios, thoughts, etc... about the Suns, thats why I m here. If it gets too long or stpd (like some of the trade scenarios) I just skip some of it.
Agree to disagree, and move on to the next subject after a while.

[Bogyo]

Oh wow, didn't expect this, but glad it happened. Humphries is just bad and doesn't fit our style of play. I don't think many teams will be clamoring for his services though.

Would have been a nice contract to have around come draft time and/or free agency. -- But, but, but...I though McD was selfish and heartless and was just a big 'meanie' when it came to players and their feelings. Who cares if Humphries doesn't want to play for a loser for another 25 games!! We should keep him just to aid in a potential deal during the summer...
(I wouldn't have minded him as our 3rd string C/PF actually, but don't really care all that much.)
Might be smarter to give his place to our 2nd round pick if we got a PF/C there. Yawn.

Humphries may be able to latch on to a contender; he's likely better than a lot of other Bench 4s out there, and he'll come cheap. He's a decent Rebounder, if nothing else.

Yes, but u dont know anything about Humps feelings so I'll just ignore this assumption.
About McDs way of handling these situations: a good paralell would be Sarvers "penny wise pound foolish" approach to the team when he took over. Case in point: you don't piss of the Fryes, Dragics, Kieffs, of your team. You can get away with that type of chit with the Humps, and other 10th-15th type players, and from time to time you should be a "meanie" about it if it's for the better of the team.

[NavLDO]

Gee thanks Nav... should have said 'miscalculated with his following maneuvers' ... does that make it better? It's more literarily, correct, I suppose, but it still ignores two very critically salient points. 1. Kieff and CusMo brought upon themselves their departure, all by their onesies. And 2. Gor-'wah' Dragic made WAAAYYY too big of a deal about McD's moves to improve the team. It's this 2nd point that you seem to never take on as being the truth. And, it's this point, that you and I will likely disagree upon 'til the end of time.

Way too big a deal eh? To improve ???? You do not think he was given so much lip service (or silence about his future) that he finally said 'the hell with these guys'? The dude has never said anything bad about anyone. All reports say the nicest guy, loved phoenix.....so yeah, its all on him. -- No, it's not all on him. And likely, it's somewhere between your opinion and mine.

In his contract yr he was marginalized. HIS team taken away from him, after a CAREER YEAR. -- That he himself, admitted to being unhappy, INITIALLY, that Bledsoe was brought in, but since he had CAREER YEAR, he remained quiet. The NEXT year, however, when his, play declined, then and ONLY then, did he make a big stink.

He was publicly neutered of almost all PG duties in the name of the MIGHTY HYDRA (which was purely a promotional scheme rather than a BBall one.) We have yet to have anything that resembles an offensive since his departure. Have you ever thought about that? -- Have you thought about how he lead us to a 25-57 team as our PG? Or have you ever thought about how he hasn't improved ONE lick since going to a more talented team as the PG?? What's his excuse now, Frank, now that he doesn't have McD to blame anymore??

Put aside the butthurt emotion for a moment and think about that. -- I will, when you do, Mr. "I'm-only-logically-looking-at-the-facts-and-am-not-emotionally-invested-in-my-opinion-either"...

Just a pity Dragic and Bledsoe could not go through one more year together. That was arguably one the top 3 most lethal, difficult back courts in the league. -- When he was '13/'14 Dragic, he was, but if you think for a moment that he didn't have those opportunities, again, and failed to produce when he did, then you are kidding yourself. You need to put away YOUR 'butthurt emotion' to recognize that that season was the aberration, not the norm, as is being proven this season, and was proven at points last season as well. You are making the assumption that had we not brought in IT, that he would have produced the same as he did during the '13/'14 season, when ALL the evidence points otherwise. No Frank, I'm not the one that needs to take out the emotion, it's YOU that needs to stop reminiscing about the past.

Thank goodness he spoke up and outted this spin mastering promo team we call a Front Office. -- Yep, thank goodness he showed his true nature RIGHT before the trade deadline, just as he's showing his true talent now, as well, which, again Frank, is the truth, not your romanticized past that you need to get over. Open your eyes, Frank, just like Heat Fans, and other NBA fans have, that Dragic is NOT, nor likely will EVER BE, that '13/'14 Dragic ever again.

If anything, the reaction of Cryin Ryan -- Really? Who's REALLY cryin' Frank...McD? Or Dragic?? We all know, Frank. You are one of the few left that believe what your trying to sell. Nobody's buyin' Frank...sorry to break it you...

and Babbler supported Dragic's request. And then further emphasized with Sarver's bitchy ex-girlfriend routine over a handshake. Hell, he could have said nothing and just walked. The whole thing was unnecessary.... except for the candy store greed from BoyBlunder. Do you think McMulligan (this will be my choice from here out) went to Dragic and assured him that IT was being traded, and that things were going to go back to the way things were when we had 'the one man fast break' running the show??? It has been said before, the FO does not discuss trades with their players. Communication validates honesty and trust. -- You are likely correct, here, Frank; McD has not been the best communicator. But he's learning Frank. He's going to make mistakes. I'm sorry you expect perfection right out of the gates from McD. But IMO, that's unfair to expect. No one is going to change your mind, but don't come cryin' when other posters call you hater, because there is ZERO question in anyone's mind that that is EXACTLY what you are IRT McD. At least be man enough to admit it, instead of trying to hide behind this façade of "I'm not a McD Hater", because no one, NO ONE is buying it, Frank. You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing is FOR SURE, and that is that you are a McD Hater, as this post proves. And yes, I HAVE admitted in the past that I hold 'bias' against Dragic for what he did to the Suns. You are awfully quick to judge McD for what he did, yet you give Dragic a pass, over and over again, for giving McD bout a week t trade him, or lose him in FA for nothing. Dragic gave McD an ultimatum. Trade me, or lose me for nothing in FA. Yep, that's honorable, isn't it Frank?

And let me ask you this, Frank:

Did Dragic, the 'great communicator' let McD know that he wouldn't consider signing with Suns in the off-season as soon as IT was brought in? No?? Why not?? What changed, Frank, between when we signed IT, and when Dragic demanded a trade several months later??? Do you somehow think McD 'promised' Dragic that the 5'10" IT, or he 6'1" Bledsoe would play SG??? If Dragic wanted to be upset about signing IT, and knowing IT would play significant minutes, meaning Dragic would have to play more off the ball, then I can respect that, and his being upset that McD did that to him. Had he stated RIGHT then, and RIGHT there, then absolutely, I would be behind Dragic 100%. But when he waits until mere DAYS before the deadline that he won't re-sign with Phoenix, and then...yes, and THEN, he states he ONLY wants to play on LA, Miami, or NY, basically giving McD a whopping 3 teams to deal with, in order to get any trade return worth anything, and he pulls this crap jus a few days before the deadline, then yes, I DO take quite a bit of issue with that, and frankly, I'm surprised anyone blames McD for that. Again, had McD said this months earlier, I would've been fully on board with Dragic. But he basically held the team hostage, and to me, that's complete and utter BS. If ANYBODY showed dishonesty or acted in a disingenuous manner, it was Dragic, NOT McD. Because had Dragic played as well as the previous season, he wouldn't have said a PEEP, as he didn't the year before when he was SELF-ADMITTEDLY upset with the signing of Bledsoe. But because he played poorly, he had to blame somebody, and that turned out to be McD, and thus, he crapped all over the Suns.

How do you not see this, Frank? Please...PLEASE... explain to me WHY Dragic didn't demand this trade right after IT was signed!?!?! I honestly would LOVE to know how what Dragic pulled was honorable. McD screwed the pooch with the signing of IT. Nobody is disputing that. But McD didn't demand a trade to one of 3 teams with under a week before the trade deadline. McD, nor the Suns, did ANYTHING that week to 'change' Dragic's mindset; he dropped that bomb right out of thin air.

So again, Frank, please, please explain it to me. What did McD or the Suns FO do at that specific moment in time to elicit that behavior from Dragic? He pulled a dirty, little, cry-baby, whiny-b!tch move, that thankfully, McD was able to salvage. He may have caused it months back, but Dragic executed it days before the deadline; but you go on, Frank, and defend Dragic, while you blame McD. One of those two has the Suns' best interest at heart, and it's not certainly NOT Dragic.

One made a mistake, while the other executed an underhanded tactic at the expense of our team. Which is which, Frank???


Dragic and I both lost trust in this organization. Many did.
PS... before you red ink your next thesis.... it is now up to McMulligan to restore the trust. -- And it's up to Dragic to grow up, and for you to call a spade a spade, and that is that Dragic is what he is, and average PG that had ONE great season, and ONE good season, and McD is NOT the cause of this fact. It's Dragic's TALENT that is the cause of this fact. Deny all you want Frank, but the rest of us will go on and live in reality...and that is that McD got one over on Pat Riley...

[bwgood77]

Man, someone is still really upset with Dragic a year after the fact. If you don't think McD helped create a bad situation by having 3 starting caliber point guards, I think you are fooling yourself. Do you really think McD hasn't made any mistakes, NavLDO? His communication skills have been terrible with players. No one seems to leave here with great things to say about the FO.

Sure, Dragic didn't handle it well for a moment when he came out publicly, but he's not a SF. Clearly one should be able to figure that playing out of position had something to do with him not playing as well.

In his last 5 Miami games, his lines are about 20, 7 and 5.5, which is pretty good.

I'm not saying I wish we would have kept him, but I can understand the frustration.

I feel like I read this same argument every few days. Lets please all try and move on from Dragic.

[TeamTragic]

Man, someone is still really upset with Dragic a year after the fact. If you don't think McD helped create a bad situation by having 3 starting caliber point guards, I think you are fooling yourself. Do you really think McD hasn't made any mistakes, NavLDO? His communication skills have been terrible with players. No one seems to leave here with great things to say about the FO.

Sure, Dragic didn't handle it well for a moment when he came out publicly, but he's not a SF. Clearly one should be able to figure that playing out of position had something to do with him not playing as well.

In his last 5 Miami games, his lines are about 20, 7 and 5.5, which is pretty good.

I'm not saying I wish we would have kept him, but I can understand the frustration.

I feel like I read this same argument every few days. Lets please all try and move on from Dragic.

Dragic is just picking up minutes after a potentially career ending injury for Bosh and oft-injured Wade. First round exit without a doubt. Pretty soon they will also lose Whiteside. Everyone needs to calm down.

[bwgood77]

Man, someone is still really upset with Dragic a year after the fact. If you don't think McD helped create a bad situation by having 3 starting caliber point guards, I think you are fooling yourself. Do you really think McD hasn't made any mistakes, NavLDO? His communication skills have been terrible with players. No one seems to leave here with great things to say about the FO.

Sure, Dragic didn't handle it well for a moment when he came out publicly, but he's not a SF. Clearly one should be able to figure that playing out of position had something to do with him not playing as well.

In his last 5 Miami games, his lines are about 20, 7 and 5.5, which is pretty good.

I'm not saying I wish we would have kept him, but I can understand the frustration.

I feel like I read this same argument every few days. Lets please all try and move on from Dragic.

Dragic is just picking up minutes after a potentially career ending injury for Bosh and oft-injured Wade. First round exit without a doubt. Pretty soon they will also lose Whiteside. Everyone needs to calm down.

I had thought they would drop out of the playoff race after the Bosh thing, but surprisingly they are playing well. But they could easily lose in the first round, if they do make the playoffs, especially if they are missing those players.

[letsgosuns]

Why do people still care about Dragic. He was awful for the Suns last year and is having a terrible season this year. You think a few game stretch of him playing decent justifies his 5 year, 85 million dollar contract. What is going on here.

Take this into account. Dragic just played the Warriors. He had 13 points and 7 assists. His counterpart, Steph Curry, had 42 points and 7 assists. Let's not catapult Dragic into some kind of star.

The bottom line is that every single point guard the Suns have acquired since Nash left has been the opposite of Nash. A me-first, selfish, scoring point guard with poor passing skills. It is embarrassing. It is reason why some fans get so excited when the Suns pick up a D-League guard and say wow, this guy actually passes the ball. It is because Suns fans are used to greatness from the point guard spot and expect no less. At the minimum, we expect the point guard to be able to pass and take care of the ball. Two things that are Bledsoe and Knight's biggest weaknesses.

[jcsunsfan]

Just so everyone knows, if its in red, I don't read it. Not that anyone would care.

[Frank Lee]

Wow Nav.... just wow. Just can't stand to see the 'worker' sticking it to the Man eh?

"Sure Goran, your our guy, but um yeah we did just ink up PG Bled for 5 yrs, oh, and that other PG Thomas for 4... but don't worry, you are still our guy, and we want to sign you long term, our main objective this yr too....um... do you think you can play SF... it will be fun, we got this thing called the HYDRA going on....trust us...everyone is going to love it... we'll talk later"

[lilfishi22]

Why do people still care about Dragic. He was awful for the Suns last year and is having a terrible season this year. You think a few game stretch of him playing decent justifies his 5 year, 85 million dollar contract. What is going on here.

Take this into account. Dragic just played the Warriors. He had 13 points and 7 assists. His counterpart, Steph Curry, had 42 points and 7 assists. Let's not catapult Dragic into some kind of star.

The bottom line is that every single point guard the Suns have acquired since Nash left has been the opposite of Nash. A me-first, selfish, scoring point guard with poor passing skills. It is embarrassing. It is reason why some fans get so excited when the Suns pick up a D-League guard and say wow, this guy actually passes the ball. It is because Suns fans are used to greatness from the point guard spot and expect no less. At the minimum, we expect the point guard to be able to pass and take care of the ball. Two things that are Bledsoe and Knight's biggest weaknesses.

To be fair and to my disappointment, very few top flight PG's nowadays are anything like Nash. The only PG that comes to mind right now that's a floor general like Nash was and still playing at an elite level is Chris Paul. Look at every other PG's in the top 20 by PER and the only names that jump out as unselfish, team-first, passing PGs are Steph (he shoots a lot though), CP3, John Wall, Mike Conley, Rondo (debatable) and Ricky Rubio. The fact is, even the best PG's in the league right now aren't anything like Nash. I hate to say it since Nash is my favourite player of all time but we need to accept that most PG's in the league nowadays and coming out of college, don't play like traditional PG's which we're accustomed to.

[HootieRules]

and Babbler supported Dragic's request. And then further emphasized with Sarver's bitchy ex-girlfriend routine over a handshake. Hell, he could have said nothing and just walked. The whole thing was unnecessary.... except for the candy store greed from BoyBlunder. Do you think McMulligan (this will be my choice from here out) went to Dragic and assured him that IT was being traded, and that things were going to go back to the way things were when we had 'the one man fast break' running the show??? It has been said before, the FO does not discuss trades with their players. Communication validates honesty and trust. -- You are likely correct, here, Frank; McD has not been the best communicator. But he's learning Frank. He's going to make mistakes. I'm sorry you expect perfection right out of the gates from McD. But IMO, that's unfair to expect. No one is going to change your mind, but don't come cryin' when other posters call you hater, because there is ZERO question in anyone's mind that that is EXACTLY what you are IRT McD. At least be man enough to admit it, instead of trying to hide behind this façade of "I'm not a McD Hater", because no one, NO ONE is buying it, Frank. You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing is FOR SURE, and that is that you are a McD Hater, as this post proves. And yes, I HAVE admitted in the past that I hold 'bias' against Dragic for what he did to the Suns. You are awfully quick to judge McD for what he did, yet you give Dragic a pass, over and over again, for giving McD bout a week t trade him, or lose him in FA for nothing. Dragic gave McD an ultimatum. Trade me, or lose me for nothing in FA. Yep, that's honorable, isn't it Frank?

Dragic and I both lost trust in this organization. Many did.
PS... before you red ink your next thesis.... it is now up to McMulligan to restore the trust. -- And it's up to Dragic to grow up, and for you to call a spade a spade, and that is that Dragic is what he is, and average PG that had ONE great season, and ONE good season, and McD is NOT the cause of this fact. It's Dragic's TALENT that is the cause of this fact. Deny all you want Frank, but the rest of us will go on and live in reality...and that is that McD got one over on Pat Riley...

No doubt Dragic put the franchise in a bad spot taking his issues to the media. However, both parties ended up getting what they wanted out of the situation. Dragic is in a city he wanted to be all along and is set for life on a bloated contract. Phoenix got a couple firsts for a guy leaving anyway (declaring that "McD got one over on Pat Riley" is wildly premature). Also not mentioned, Phoenix had the decision made for them to not have to panic and overpay for yet another non all-star point guard (ahem).

Since the Dragic trade, communication with guys like Gerald Green, Markieff and Hornacek have been a complete disaster. Dragic has since apologized for his behavior. Sarver refused to shake his hand after a January game, 11 freaking months later. So is the franchise really taking lessons for their communication issues? Or is that more empty lip service from an owner and front office where relationships with so-called core pieces of the franchise (McD's words, not mine) continue to go sour?

[HootieRules]

Why do people still care about Dragic. He was awful for the Suns last year and is having a terrible season this year. You think a few game stretch of him playing decent justifies his 5 year, 85 million dollar contract. What is going on here.

Take this into account. Dragic just played the Warriors. He had 13 points and 7 assists. His counterpart, Steph Curry, had 42 points and 7 assists. Let's not catapult Dragic into some kind of star.

The bottom line is that every single point guard the Suns have acquired since Nash left has been the opposite of Nash. A me-first, selfish, scoring point guard with poor passing skills. It is embarrassing. It is reason why some fans get so excited when the Suns pick up a D-League guard and say wow, this guy actually passes the ball. It is because Suns fans are used to greatness from the point guard spot and expect no less. At the minimum, we expect the point guard to be able to pass and take care of the ball. Two things that are Bledsoe and Knight's biggest weaknesses.

Ironically, IT and Dragic would generally be considered score-first point guards but both of those guys are gifted passers as well.

[AtheJ415]

Why are we still discussing Goran? He's playing horrendous basketball right now. Getting 2 firsts and avoiding that contract is arguably the best thing we've done over the past 3 years. It's a clear win. Why people are trying to turn it into a loss is beyond me.

[bigfoot]

Man, someone is still really upset with Dragic a year after the fact. If you don't think McD helped create a bad situation by having 3 starting caliber point guards, I think you are fooling yourself. Do you really think McD hasn't made any mistakes, NavLDO? His communication skills have been terrible with players. No one seems to leave here with great things to say about the FO.

Sure, Dragic didn't handle it well for a moment when he came out publicly, but he's not a SF. Clearly one should be able to figure that playing out of position had something to do with him not playing as well.

In his last 5 Miami games, his lines are about 20, 7 and 5.5, which is pretty good.

I'm not saying I wish we would have kept him, but I can understand the frustration.

I feel like I read this same argument every few days. Lets please all try and move on from Dragic.

Dragic is just picking up minutes after a potentially career ending injury for Bosh and oft-injured Wade. First round exit without a doubt. Pretty soon they will also lose Whiteside. Everyone needs to calm down.

I had thought they would drop out of the playoff race after the Bosh thing, but surprisingly they are playing well. But they could easily lose in the first round, if they do make the playoffs, especially if they are missing those players.

We Suns fans aren't worried about Dragic ... We are drooling over the 2021 draft. I mean if we continue at our current pace and the Heat star players are all retired (late 30's) we might have two top five picks that year.