Political Roundtable Part IX

[DCZards]

Nate,

It just blows my mind that you actually take Trump as a serious candidate. I mean they're people who are voting for him just because he's a republican but you actually seem to like this guy.

To me this isn't even a left-right thing for the most part, it's a question of competence, temperament etc etc.

Heck, the guy doesn't even come across as particularly smart despite his educational background.

I'm at a loss for words...

Trump is a serious candidate. The polls clearly show that. And he'll likely remain competitive with Hillary until election day.

But Nate is delusional if he thinks that Trump's comments today don't hurt him politically. Maybe not with his supporters but with independents and the undecided. What people are talking about today are not the "30,000 missing emails" but that someone who wants to be president of our country would be stupid and naive enough to even sarcastically suggest that the Russians should hack and make public the e-mails of an American political party or a former Secretary of State.

[Ruzious]

I really think he is just baiting Hillary, Obama and Bill to get into a twitter war with him. He will win that war and it doesn't cost him anything.

If they don't respond he has to win the debates because Hillary will definitely outspend him on media buys.

If I were Trump - I would agree to debate the 3rd party candidates for several reasons:
- more free media
- Trump is good in multi-candidate forums
- lead tightens in polls where there are third party candidates

If I am Hillary, I just bludgeon Trump with Media buys, minimize the debates and try to stay out of trouble.

In a sports analogy, she'd be playing not to lose rather than play to win. I think ultimately she's got to take him on - 1 on 1 - and beat him.

[popper]

Makes sense to me. Nate is a self confessed neo nazi, (33 representing the 2nd coming of the 3rd reich) and all my Facebook friends who are real political buffs swear that Trump is just like Adolf Hitler! He's a fascist!

Oh and before any of you islamophobe fascists mention the terrorist attack in France yesterday, it's my sworn duty as RealGM's liberal in chief, to remind you that the attack, like all terrorist attacks, has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

The reports of the attackers yelling "ALLAHU AKBAR!" are NOT true, I have word from a fellow SJW on tumblr that they were sneezing, "ACHOO ACHAR", and the acoustics in the church being as bad as they are...

[dckingsfan]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

[montestewart]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

There's a sucker born every minute. Don't forget that.

[nate33]

Nate,

It just blows my mind that you actually take Trump as a serious candidate. I mean they're people who are voting for him just because he's a republican but you actually seem to like this guy.

To me this isn't even a left-right thing for the most part, it's a question of competence, temperament etc etc.

Heck, the guy doesn't even come across as particularly smart despite his educational background.

I'm at a loss for words...

Trump is a serious candidate. The polls clearly show that. And he'll likely remain competitive with Hillary until election day.

But Nate is delusional if he thinks that Trump's comments today don't hurt him politically. Maybe not with his supporters but with independents and the undecided. What people are talking about today are not the "30,000 missing emails" but that someone who wants to be president of our country would be stupid and naive enough to even sarcastically suggest that the Russians should hack and make public the e-mails of an American political party or a former Secretary of State.

Those comments won't hurt him one bit. Not even in the slightest.

[nate33]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

It's not complicated. He puts Americans first.

His policies on trade and immigration will lead (or at least people believe will lead) to more jobs for blue collar Americans. White collar America simply has no idea how badly blue collar America is hurting. They have no idea how frustrated blue collar America has been with both parties for 25 years.

[AFM]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

He puts it pretty succinctly here:

Watch on YouTube

Worth watching for anyone confused over Trump's appeal.

[montestewart]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

He puts it pretty succinctly here:

Watch on YouTube

Worth watching for anyone confused over Trump's appeal.

Well dckingsfan, that explains the conservative gay brit ex-pat tech media snark bleach blonde heavy eye shadow coke head vote, nailing down another category. This is fun!

[JWizmentality]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

It's not complicated. He puts Americans first.

His policies on trade and immigration will lead (or at least people believe will lead) to more jobs for blue collar Americans. White collar America simply has no idea how badly blue collar America is hurting. They have no idea how frustrated blue collar America has been with both parties for 25 years.

He puts America first? Because he says so? Or are you basing this on his record?

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[DCZards]

Nate,

It just blows my mind that you actually take Trump as a serious candidate. I mean they're people who are voting for him just because he's a republican but you actually seem to like this guy.

To me this isn't even a left-right thing for the most part, it's a question of competence, temperament etc etc.

Heck, the guy doesn't even come across as particularly smart despite his educational background.

I'm at a loss for words...

Trump is a serious candidate. The polls clearly show that. And he'll likely remain competitive with Hillary until election day.

But Nate is delusional if he thinks that Trump's comments today don't hurt him politically. Maybe not with his supporters but with independents and the undecided. What people are talking about today are not the "30,000 missing emails" but that someone who wants to be president of our country would be stupid and naive enough to even sarcastically suggest that the Russians should hack and make public the e-mails of an American political party or a former Secretary of State.

Those comments won't hurt him one bit. Not even in the slightest.

You and Jeffrey Lord are probably the only two people in America who believe that.

[fishercob]

Exactly. The guy knows how to get press, even during the DNC he's on the front page of every major news site right now!

And if you actually read what he said he's sarcastically mocking Clinton for deleting 33k emails she didn't want the Feds/anyone to read.

Pretty amazing troll job.

But Trump's sarcasm is at the Beavis and Butthead level of sophistication. He's a caricature. Every day, he puts out more cartoonish material. Not sure how that's a positive - other than on the entertainment side.

Never said it's positive or negative. The man just knows how to hijack a news cycle. Instead of reading about Bill Clinton's speech, everyone is back to reading about his wife's emails scandals.

Read on Twitter

[fishercob]

He puts America first? Because he says so? Or are you basing this on his record?

Nothing in Trump's record of where he manufactures his goods or who he hires would indicate that he's in the slightest bit patriotic.

[dckingsfan]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

He puts it pretty succinctly here:

Watch on YouTube

Worth watching for anyone confused over Trump's appeal.

Well dckingsfan, that explains the conservative gay brit ex-pat tech media snark bleach blonde heavy eye shadow coke head vote, nailing down another category. This is fun!

Interesting - we are learning much more about the dissatisfied in this election cycle. "The left has failed, the right has failed..." I can't disagree with this at all.

"...control how I live or don't - religious right was guilty of this before - today it is the progressive left that does this - I want them the f*&k out of my life." oof, I might be a bbheschg (bleach blonde heavy eye shadow coke head guy).

Still can't vote for Trump.

[nate33]

Read on Twitter

[nate33]

It's doubtful that the media will mention this, so I may as well post it here. Apparently, Trump is out there inspiring more violence:

Read on Twitter

[AFM]

Are they beta testing Trump's wall on rabid Bernie supporters?

[I_Like_Dirt]

He puts America first? Because he says so? Or are you basing this on his record?

The key point with Trump is that, rightly or wrongly, a lot of people are willing to look past his flaws moreso than they're willing to look past the flaws of other candidates. I mean, sure, there are probably some who don't see the flaws at all, but I also think it's naïve to assume that his followers don't readily identify issues with Trump. They just look at the other candidates and see flaws they like even less.

The political machine on both sides keeps expecting that Trump will wreck himself, or that all they have to do is keep attacking him and pointing out his flaws and he'll eventually fall apart. It's been pretty obvious from the start that such tactics had no hope of working yet politicians can't help themselves and tried them anyway. To beat Trump, you need to generate passion and trust amongst voters. I think Bernie would have had a better shot against Trump for this very reason, because people believe that he believes what he's saying when he says it, even if they might not agree with what he's saying, and anyone who supports him finds a direct path towards political motivation. The Democrat machine put in a whole lot of ground work before the nomination process to try to get Hillary in there and she still barely hung on. They've got a whole different type of competitor in Trump now, though, because they're now dealing with the entire American population.

The way to beat Trump is by taking a long look in the mirror, owning your mistakes and proposing concrete solutions that do more than benefit banks and suits, and instead choosing to represent the interests of everybody. Neither party has been at all interested in that type of approach, though, and the results thus far have been pretty predictable - which has made for a tragic political comedy of sorts thus far.

[nate33]

I am trying to fully understand the appeal of Trump. I don't think I can concisely definite it but to me it comes from the following:

1) He is an outsider - he hasn't held office, so all those that are frustrated with the career politicians and the two political parties my lean toward him.

2) He is an isolationist - for those that were sick of GW sticking his nose in where it didn't belong and for Obama going half in and half out - they might lean toward him.

3) He is a celebrity - don't know why but it will pull a certain part of the population.

4) He uses fear well - just know way around it he knows what people fear and uses it well.

5) He is a Republican and some will lean toward him for that reason alone.

6) Some just don't like Hillary and some will lean toward him for that reason.

I just don't see that one thing that is driving his numbers...

It's not complicated. He puts Americans first.

His policies on trade and immigration will lead (or at least people believe will lead) to more jobs for blue collar Americans. White collar America simply has no idea how badly blue collar America is hurting. They have no idea how frustrated blue collar America has been with both parties for 25 years.

He puts America first? Because he says so? Or are you basing this on his record?

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If your intent is to try and understand the basis of Trump's support, then this type of response is not productive. I feel no compulsion to sit and explain this to you because you obviously have no interest in my perspective.

[dckingsfan]

It's not complicated. He puts Americans first.

His policies on trade and immigration will lead (or at least people believe will lead) to more jobs for blue collar Americans. White collar America simply has no idea how badly blue collar America is hurting. They have no idea how frustrated blue collar America has been with both parties for 25 years.

He puts America first? Because he says so? Or are you basing this on his record?

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If your intent is to try and understand the basis of Trump's support, then this type of response is not productive. I feel no compulsion to sit and explain this to you because you obviously have no interest in my perspective.

And I think that goes for most of the folks in both parties - they just don't understand his rise other that to ridicule those that support Trump. But there is clearly a ground shift going on especially when you consider Trump + Sanders.