Markelle Fultz

[rusoopE]

Drafting black makes it obvious that fultz or suggs (maybe both) aren't in the long-term plan of the FO. I see em both as role players coming from the bench or being the 5th option starter for any team. They can't coexist together. After the performance we saw last night from the 2nd unit is unlikely Gary is gonna start anytime soon. And I truly hate how we played on the 1st quarter against a joke of a team like the rockets. Franz carried the team by himself. I don't expect anything good if we keep the starting lineup as it's now. But that's what we got and we need to find a way to improve our lineup.

[Darth Magic]

Fultz is interesting. For all his stylistic issues, and he has many, he's the one I trust the most to get a bucket when we need it the most. Is that crazy talk?

Same. Which is why he is so frustrating. He has the skills to score, he just doesn't.

[RichCollab]

Drafting black makes it obvious that fultz or suggs (maybe both) aren't in the long-term plan of the FO. I see em both as role players coming from the bench or being the 5th option starter for any team. They can't coexist together. After the performance we saw last night from the 2nd unit is unlikely Gary is gonna start anytime soon. And I truly hate how we played on the 1st quarter against a joke of a team like the rockets. Franz carried the team by himself. I don't expect anything good if we keep the starting lineup as it's now. But that's what we got and we need to find a way to improve our lineup.

It really doesn’t.

[Skybox]

Fultz is interesting. For all his stylistic issues, and he has many, he's the one I trust the most to get a bucket when we need it the most. Is that crazy talk?

Same. Which is why he is so frustrating. He has the skills to score, he just doesn't.

Why would we assume he's really capable but he's choosing to suck?

He's been holding back the shots. He's good at deferring. He knows his role and accepts it...all poppycock

[Darth Magic]

Fultz is interesting. For all his stylistic issues, and he has many, he's the one I trust the most to get a bucket when we need it the most. Is that crazy talk?

Same. Which is why he is so frustrating. He has the skills to score, he just doesn't.

Why would we assume he's really capable but he's choosing to suck?

He's been holding back the shots. He's good at deferring. He knows his role and accepts it...all poppycock

Fultz is a do what it takes guy. That's his mindset. Fultz has always been a scoring guard. That skill is still there. But I'm not sure if it because of his injury where he just got really passive as it relates to scoring. I'd go so far as to say Fultz is the best and most efficient scorer on our team.

[Skybox]

Same. Which is why he is so frustrating. He has the skills to score, he just doesn't.

Why would we assume he's really capable but he's choosing to suck?

He's been holding back the shots. He's good at deferring. He knows his role and accepts it...all poppycock

Fultz is a do what it takes guy. That's his mindset. Fultz has always been a scoring guard. That skill is still there. But I'm not sure if it because of his injury where he just got really passive as it relates to scoring. I'd go so far as to say Fultz is the best and most efficient scorer on our team.

Maybe hypnosis would work

[yoyojw17]

Why would we assume he's really capable but he's choosing to suck?

He's been holding back the shots. He's good at deferring. He knows his role and accepts it...all poppycock

Fultz is a do what it takes guy. That's his mindset. Fultz has always been a scoring guard. That skill is still there. But I'm not sure if it because of his injury where he just got really passive as it relates to scoring. I'd go so far as to say Fultz is the best and most efficient scorer on our team.

Maybe hypnosis would work

It's not crazy to think that at all. Everyone says we need to trade or swap him so that Franz and Paolo can get a better option to help them on their drives. Haha. But you watch Fultz play .... and he's taking it to the rim and hitting the midrange ... getting to HIS spots with few people I've seen contain him effectively. So yeah... Darth is not wrong if that's what he believes.

Even last night ... when we were starting to lose that lead to Houston in the thirds.... Fultz who only scored 2 points in the first half off of a putback.... got aggressive and scored 8 points in the first 9 min of the 3rd.

Last season he did it countless times when the offense went stale as well.

[MasterGMer]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

[YDNA]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

harden plays best at SG not PG

[MasterGMer]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

harden plays best at SG not PG

But he led the league in assists last year, PG or SG?

[jonbob17]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

harden plays best at SG not PG

It’s a good thing we have three guards who we need to succeed at PG in order for them to be most valuable, waiting in the wings.

[eyriq]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

Anthony Black

[Skybox]

For many of the nay sayers of Fultz, James Harden?

harden plays best at SG not PG

It’s a good thing we have three guards who we need to succeed at PG in order for them to be most valuable, waiting in the wings.

...and two forwards

[Skybox]

Fultz is a do what it takes guy. That's his mindset. Fultz has always been a scoring guard. That skill is still there. But I'm not sure if it because of his injury where he just got really passive as it relates to scoring. I'd go so far as to say Fultz is the best and most efficient scorer on our team.

Maybe hypnosis would work

It's not crazy to think that at all. Everyone says we need to trade or swap him so that Franz and Paolo can get a better option to help them on their drives. Haha. But you watch Fultz play .... and he's taking it to the rim and hitting the midrange ... getting to HIS spots with few people I've seen contain him effectively. So yeah...

His restraint is incredible

[pepe1991]

Most teams don't adjust their game plan for opponents in regular season.

Teams are trained to chase guards off 3 point line, prevent deep penetration and not care too much about mid range.

That's why he "gets to his spots" so easly.


It's very similar to Derozan. Derozan is career 42-43% mid range shooter in regular season. Everybody knows he will fake 3 point shot, dribble, stop, pop. And yet nobody in regular season really defends him well ( that explains why he is career 22 ppg player on 55% TS ).

HOWEVER once he goes to playoffs, teams adjust to him and actually bother to read scouting report .
In playoffs he still takes shots from same spots. But instad of 21 ppg / 55% TS on 16 shots - he:
1) shoots 18,8 shots to average 0,4 ppg more ( so 2,6 FGA more)
2) shoots below 40% from mid range
3) has 50% TS


Fultz in playoffs would ( and did in 2019-20) suffer from same problem. For KD , his mid range is one of weapons he can use. He can also pull for 30, he can also take it all the way to a rim, or simply fool you into foul. Fultz, much like Derozan, doesn't have that versitality. Fultz will either go to rim or stop and pop.


But... this forum is split and there is nothing anybody could say to change opinion of the other party. So it's pointless debate. Been that way since 2020.
However, it was funny how people actually got sucked into his words of him being 3 point shooter just because he said it in exit interview, after going for a month prior with like 5 threes taken.
He is too scared to shoot 3s even in preseason, how da hell you think he can do it in playoffs?

[jonbob17]

Most teams don't adjust their game plan for opponents in regular season.

Teams are trained to chase guards off 3 point line, prevent deep penetration and not care too much about mid range.

That's why he "gets to his spots" so easly.


It's very similar to Derozan. Derozan is career 42-43% mid range shooter in regular season. Everybody knows he will fake 3 point shot, dribble, stop, pop. And yet nobody in regular season really defends him well ( that explains why he is career 22 ppg player on 55% TS ).

HOWEVER once he goes to playoffs, teams adjust to him and actually bother to read scouting report .
In playoffs he still takes shots from same spots. But instad of 21 ppg / 55% TS on 16 shots - he:
1) shoots 18,8 shots to average 0,4 ppg more ( so 2,6 FGA more)
2) shoots below 40% from mid range
3) has 50% TS


Fultz in playoffs would ( and did in 2019-20) suffer from same problem. For KD , his mid range is one of weapons he can use. He can also pull for 30, he can also take it all the way to a rim, or simply fool you into foul. Fultz, much like Derozan, doesn't have that versitality. Fultz will either go to rim or stop and pop.


But... this forum is split and there is nothing anybody could say to change opinion of the other party. So it's pointless debate. Been that way since 2020.
However, it was funny how people actually got sucked into his words of him being 3 point shooter just because he said it in exit interview, after going for a month prior with like 5 threes taken.
He is too scared to shoot 3s even in preseason, how da hell you think he can do it in playoffs?

Teams don't scheme in the regular season, but Fultz has enough of a reputation where teams don't respect his shooting, and are going to cheat under screens and decline to close out aggressively. I don't even remember hims spotting up for a three in Wednesday's game...yikes. In a playoff series, It's probably 5 on 4 defense when he doesnt have the ball, and even when he does they are giving him space on the perimete.

I disagree with you reasoning on why Fultz "gets to his spots". It's not because teams are closing out hard against him or defending his shooting. It's because Fultz is an extremely good athlete, who is able to change speeds so well. He is able to create space because teams have to respect his ability to explode to the rim, and Fultz can slow down to create a mid ranger.

So how does playoff MF look, ultimately that should be what drives the decision on him, how does this team perform in the playoff environment with him as primary ballhandler. That will eventually be far more important than accumulating regular season wins...we just saw Milwaukee and Boston make moves that likely hurt there regular season to increase their potential during the post season. I am not sure I can see a path for MF to put up good stats in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs..

The Milwaukee series seems like a distant memory, and i don't really remember MF(geez he's been Orlando for a long time now). 5 games 12/2/5. he actually went 6/16 (37.5%) from 3, and shot 41% on 2s...only got to the line 7 times....that was year 1 in Orlando, but might still be a good representation...saw a 10% decrease in 2pt FG%...and didnt get to the line nearly enough.

[jayrehme]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning. Like someone else said, for whatever reason when the ball is in his hands, there's a confidence its going to be a bucket. He's very crafty and knows how to get quality EFFICIENT shots.

[Bergmaniac]

If Fultz was "the best and most efficient scorer" on the Magic we'd be lucky to be a 25 wins team and will probably be dead last in offensive efficiency. You are bound to be a horrendous offensive team if your best scorer is a guard who doesn't shoot 3s, rarely gets to the line and has never had a season with a scoring efficiency above the league average despite never being more than 3rd/4th option on offence. Fortunately we have Franz who is a much better scorer than him and by far our best player.

[VFX]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning. Like someone else said, for whatever reason when the ball is in his hands, there's a confidence its going to be a bucket. He's very crafty and knows how to get quality EFFICIENT shots.

People keep making this out to be personal preference and it’s not.

You can be the most efficient mid range guy in the league. If you have no other above average skills as a lead point guard, then that makes you a role player.

No other starting point guard in the league can refuse to take 3’s, rarely get to the line, rack up marginal assist numbers, and still have sections of a fan base say **** like “his style is great tho, I want this” lmao.

[Audi]

I don't even remember hims spotting up for a three in Wednesday's game...yikes.

...you can't make it further than the first bucket of the season to see Markelle spotting up in the corner.