Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[RRyder823]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

Side note..... Can people give this "once in a generation" quote a **** rest allready?

He's not. **** Wemby was just drafted into the league and the odds of Flagg being as good as Giannis to begin with are slim

Is "once in a generation" just the new "best prospect of the past 2 years"? (Ironiclly still not since well ya know Wemby)



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[ShootingtheJ]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

Moving Giannis starts a 10 year rebuild. Rushing it would be silly.

[Bernman]

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

Side note..... Can people give this "once in a generation" quote a **** rest allready?

He's not. **** Wemby was just drafted into the league and the odds of Flagg being as good as Giannis to begin with are slim

Is "once in a generation" just the new "best prospect of the past 2 years"? (Ironiclly still not since well ya know Wemby)

Use your head. It's not how close in proximity you were to the prior generation. He's arguably the 3rd best prospect in the last 30-40 years. Those are 10+ yr generations. One just happened to be ending a couple years ago. Flagg is the start of this one. You don't know if it's going to be 20 years to the next one, like LeBron to Wemby, so you wouldn't project to get the opportunity any time soon, let alone next draft.

[Bernman]

What's the urgency for Giannis to move this offseason, as opposed to, say, at the trade deadline if the Bucks haven't pointed this in the right direction post Dame injury they haven't had a chance to adjust to? He wants rings, and they're not won in December.

Teams that want him and have assets, are positioned right now with lottery picks. Houston, SA, Dallas.

If he’s going, behooves all parties to get something done by draft night.

Moving Giannis starts a 10 year rebuild. Rushing it would be silly.

You're inverting reality. It'd more be a 10 yr rebuild if Giannis leaves on a free or for pennies on the dollar. Because then we wouldn't have our own picks, or even anybody else's, nor prospects/players you could start to rebuild w/ right away. It doesn't take a decade for players to mature.

You either convince Giannis to extend, or you use his return to get a haul to rebuild with. Anything in between is the bleak reality of a long rebuild, that'd be hopeless/barren even for half that decade.

[JonHeist]

he literally can't extend for like another 18 months

[humanrefutation]

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

Side note..... Can people give this "once in a generation" quote a **** rest allready?

He's not. **** Wemby was just drafted into the league and the odds of Flagg being as good as Giannis to begin with are slim

Is "once in a generation" just the new "best prospect of the past 2 years"? (Ironiclly still not since well ya know Wemby)

Use your head. It's not how close in proximity you were to the prior generation. He's arguably the 3rd best prospect in the last 30-40 years. Those are 10+ yr generations. One just happened to be ending a couple years ago. Flagg is the start of this one. You don't know if it's going to be 20 years to the next one, like LeBron to Wemby, so you wouldn't project to get the opportunity any time soon, let alone next draft.

Just in the last 25 years, we've had LeBron, AD, Wemby, Zion, Simmons, Wiggins, Yao, and Oden who came into their years with a huge amount of hype. Not including Dwight, Rose, Kyrie, Blake, KAT, or Ant.

Putting aside where their careers went, can you say definitively - or even arguably - that Flagg is within the top 3? In terms of prospect hype, I put him behind LeBron, Wemby, Oden, and Zion at the very least. You could make a credible case for Yao, AD, Wiggins, and Simmons as well, guys who were locks for #1 who had a lot of hype around them, but I don't fight you if you put Flagg ahead of them.

[Bernman]

he literally can't extend for like another 18 months

That's not really the point. Have him make a verbal commitment you trust. Regardless, if he doesn't extend, & leaves in 2 yrs, that's the actually 10 yr rebuild, not if you trade him now. We're sacrificing securing the future for securing the now, and faith beyond that.

[Bernman]

Putting aside where their careers went, can you say definitively - or even arguably - that Flagg is within the top 3? In terms of prospect hype, I put him behind LeBron, Wemby, Oden, and Zion at the very least. You could make a credible case for Yao, AD, Wiggins, and Simmons as well,
guys who were locks for #1 who had a lot of hype around them, but I don't fight you if you put Flagg ahead of them.

He's arguably 3rd. Won college POY as a re-classified hs senior. Nobody else did that. Has physical tools and displayed on ball creativity well beyond expected, after coming in one of the most hyped players to enter college.

If someone wants to call a guy like that "generational", nobody should take issue w/ it semantically. The point in context is this wouldn't be an opportunity you could expect to come by next draft(s) when we'd trade Giannis before. And if we trade for picks it's highly unlikely #1 anyway.

[paulpressey25]

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

At the February trade deadline, we'll have no clue where certain teams picks will fall since the lotto won't have been held. And the guys draft in the top 10 this summer? We will know there rough value and if one or two breakout, they won't necessarily be available for trade.

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

[raferfenix]

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

Or next offseason.

Giannis will have more power to dictate exactly where he goes being on an ending contract before the player option.

Bucks’ pitch doesn’t need to be to commit to an extension he can’t even sign yet.

Just give the team time to try a post-Dame (and post-Doc ideally) reset.

[Bernman]

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

At the February trade deadline, we'll have no clue where certain teams picks will fall since the lotto won't have been held. And the guys draft in the top 10 this summer? We will know there rough value and if one or two breakout, they won't necessarily be available for trade.

I know, but you likely can trade for prospects at Harper's level by then. OKC got SGA & picks (that got them J-Dub) for Paul George, who's no Giannis. Then there are projected to be a bunch of Harper-level guys in the next draft, just no Flaggs.

That's why Flagg is the 1 thing that would make it urgent to move Giannis now, other than him asking out. Beyond anyone blowing us away, I think we have a dual-obligation to try to make it work for a half season beyond the Dame/Doc yrs Gianni influenced. See if there's a pivot.

[BigO]

Side note..... Can people give this "once in a generation" quote a **** rest allready?

He's not. **** Wemby was just drafted into the league and the odds of Flagg being as good as Giannis to begin with are slim

Is "once in a generation" just the new "best prospect of the past 2 years"? (Ironiclly still not since well ya know Wemby)

Use your head. It's not how close in proximity you were to the prior generation. He's arguably the 3rd best prospect in the last 30-40 years. Those are 10+ yr generations. One just happened to be ending a couple years ago. Flagg is the start of this one. You don't know if it's going to be 20 years to the next one, like LeBron to Wemby, so you wouldn't project to get the opportunity any time soon, let alone next draft.

Just in the last 25 years, we've had LeBron, AD, Wemby, Zion, Simmons, Wiggins, Yao, and Oden who came into their years with a huge amount of hype. Not including Dwight, Rose, Kyrie, Blake, KAT, or Ant.

Putting aside where their careers went, can you say definitively - or even arguably - that Flagg is within the top 3? In terms of prospect hype, I put him behind LeBron, Wemby, Oden, and Zion at the very least. You could make a credible case for Yao, AD, Wiggins, and Simmons as well, guys who were locks for #1 who had a lot of hype around them, but I don't fight you if you put Flagg ahead of them.

You're right about the hype, but like any evaluation it comes down to how accurate is your analysis. I haven't said what I've said about Flagg about any of the players you listed, except Lebron and Wemby. If I'm wrong and you trade Giannis for him, it's a colossal blunder.

But I'd do it if you sense resigning him is unlikely. You have to remember that there is a disincentive for Giannis wanting to be traded to a team that gives up a ton of assets for him. So waiting for Giannis a year serves his purpose. It doesn't serve the Bucks purpose.

But I have no faith in the brain trust to get this right, especially if Doc is in the discussions. It appears Doc isn't going anywhere.

[BigO]

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

Or next offseason.

Giannis will have more power to dictate exactly where he goes being on an ending contract before the player option.

Bucks’ pitch doesn’t need to be to commit to an extension he can’t even sign yet.

Just give the team time to try a post-Dame (and post-Doc ideally) reset.

I don't mind a rest, but the longer you wait the less you get in return if you end up trading him. I want this settled as soon as possible.

[BigO]

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

Or next offseason.

Giannis will have more power to dictate exactly where he goes being on an ending contract before the player option.

Bucks’ pitch doesn’t need to be to commit to an extension he can’t even sign yet.

Just give the team time to try a post-Dame (and post-Doc ideally) reset.

No offense, but I gave you an And1 by mistake.

Next year there will be no Flagg possibility and much less in return.

[JayMKE]

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

Or next offseason.

Giannis will have more power to dictate exactly where he goes being on an ending contract before the player option.

Bucks’ pitch doesn’t need to be to commit to an extension he can’t even sign yet.

Just give the team time to try a post-Dame (and post-Doc ideally) reset.

No offense, but I gave you an And1 by mistake.

Next year there will be no Flagg possibility and much less in return.

The draft is supposed to be better next year. These returns aren’t inspiring at all and the simple fact is the Bucks will be very very bad regardless of Giannis return since we don’t own our picks for years. Giannis wants his supermax, unless he gets traded he can only get it from us. The Bucks will have Dame back next season and be more flexible to make a splashy move, can’t be a chicken **** trying to retain Giannis. I’m comfortable going all the way to free agency and winning the FA pitch.

[Bernman]

To clarify, I'm not saying we get Flagg or I'm going into next season w/ Giannis automatically. It's more that we should unless we start bleeding even more talent (KPJ, Trent/equivalent or better wing, Bobby/equivalent or better big). Then Harper, Castle + picks type deals should still be there.

[RRyder823]

That more applied w/ once in a generation opportunity to land Flagg. If that's not on the table, there's little cost not to wait til' the deadline. The same prospects, other ones, and picks in a more loaded draft in the top 10 will be available.

Side note..... Can people give this "once in a generation" quote a **** rest allready?

He's not. **** Wemby was just drafted into the league and the odds of Flagg being as good as Giannis to begin with are slim

Is "once in a generation" just the new "best prospect of the past 2 years"? (Ironiclly still not since well ya know Wemby)

Use your head. It's not how close in proximity you were to the prior generation. He's arguably the 3rd best prospect in the last 30-40 years. Those are 10+ yr generations. One just happened to be ending a couple years ago. Flagg is the start of this one. You don't know if it's going to be 20 years to the next one, like LeBron to Wemby, so you wouldn't project to get the opportunity any time soon, let alone next draft.

Use your head how bout that? If a generation as you say is every 10 years and one better then him was drafted two seasons ago then guess what? He's not a once in a generation prospect

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[ShootingtheJ]

he literally can't extend for like another 18 months

That's not really the point. Have him make a verbal commitment you trust. Regardless, if he doesn't extend, & leaves in 2 yrs, that's the actually 10 yr rebuild, not if you trade him now. We're sacrificing securing the future for securing the now, and faith beyond that.

Draft picks don't secure anything, especially with the new lottery odds.

[ShootingtheJ]

We need to get this thing sorted out before July 1st.

Or next offseason.

Giannis will have more power to dictate exactly where he goes being on an ending contract before the player option.

Bucks’ pitch doesn’t need to be to commit to an extension he can’t even sign yet.

Just give the team time to try a post-Dame (and post-Doc ideally) reset.

I don't mind a rest, but the longer you wait the less you get in return if you end up trading him. I want this settled as soon as possible.

There's no Flagg possibility this year either, and the number of years left on his contract is irrelevant. Whoever acquires him knows they're keeping him.

[raferfenix]

Big difference btw whether the best offer the Bucks will get is available now or after a season when teams will be explicitly loading up and configuring salary caps to get Giannis.

Flagg I can clearly see the argument at least.

And there are any number of combos that could qualify (FVV’s salary slot disappearing for instance).

But Kobe backed off his trade demand and Giannis hasn’t even gotten there yet.