2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[PeptoKlepto]

Well let's see. I doubt you can win mvp when you aren't even the best player on your team. Harden Is the clear frontrunner

Curry is definitely the best player on his team if you define best as "helps win". I'll agree that Harden is quite likely to win but he isn't the most deserving. Harden is a much greater beneficiary of Houston's system than people think.

How much success did Curry have before Kerr's system? What about Jordan before Phil's system? What did Kobe do without Phil? Look at the Spurs right now, still elite without Duncan or Robinson, is it all because of Pop? MDA's system hasn't worked since PHX, not until now. Using a system to discredit Harden's success, but not others is very hypocritical.

Curry in 2013 before Kerr: 24/4.3/8.5/2 on .47/.42/.88.
Curry in 2014 after Kerr: 24/4.3/8/2 on .49/.44/.91.

Basically the same exact player, except better efficiency across the board because Mark Jackson's system was an ISO clusterjob.

People need to stop acting like Curry has been Curry for only a couple of years now. He's been unbelievable way before Kerr's system and before the evolution of Klay and Draymond. He's the one that's allowed all of this to happen and develop.

[jg77]

Curry is definitely the best player on his team if you define best as "helps win". I'll agree that Harden is quite likely to win but he isn't the most deserving. Harden is a much greater beneficiary of Houston's system than people think.

How much success did Curry have before Kerr's system? What about Jordan before Phil's system? What did Kobe do without Phil? Look at the Spurs right now, still elite without Duncan or Robinson, is it all because of Pop? MDA's system hasn't worked since PHX, not until now. Using a system to discredit Harden's success, but not others is very hypocritical.

Curry in 2013 before Kerr: 24/4.3/8.5/2 on .47/.42/.88.
Curry in 2014 after Kerr: 24/4.3/8/2 on .49/.44/.91.

Basically the same exact player, except better efficiency across the board because Mark Jackson's system was an ISO clusterjob.

People need to stop acting like Curry has been Curry for only a couple of years now. He's been unbelievable way before Kerr's system and before the evolution of Klay and Draymond. He's the one that's allowed all of this to happen and develop.

I don't know why but people are trying to find reasons to slight Curry as much as possible. The story now is that he's not even the best player on his team (false) and he doesn't show up in big moments. He had one very good finals and his 2015 #'s were 26pts/5reb/6.3ast with a .585 ts...and I'm not even going to bring in the 2016 finals cause I think it was bad but so far 1-1. Dare I say that he's starting to get the LeBron treatment.

[Hero]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

He's playing great but he also is on the most stacked team ever.

Just last night..

Curry had 14 points as the Warriors outscored Orlando 42-24 in the third quarter. He didn't play in the fourth period.

Curry went 7 for 13 on 3s and scored 27 points while Thompson as 7 for 9 from behind the arc and had 21 points. The Warriors shot 19 of 42 overall from 3-point range while the Magic went 7 for 28.

Don't see the other guys having such talent on their rosters.

[Impuniti]

How much success did Curry have before Kerr's system? What about Jordan before Phil's system? What did Kobe do without Phil? Look at the Spurs right now, still elite without Duncan or Robinson, is it all because of Pop? MDA's system hasn't worked since PHX, not until now. Using a system to discredit Harden's success, but not others is very hypocritical.

Curry in 2013 before Kerr: 24/4.3/8.5/2 on .47/.42/.88.
Curry in 2014 after Kerr: 24/4.3/8/2 on .49/.44/.91.

Basically the same exact player, except better efficiency across the board because Mark Jackson's system was an ISO clusterjob.

People need to stop acting like Curry has been Curry for only a couple of years now. He's been unbelievable way before Kerr's system and before the evolution of Klay and Draymond. He's the one that's allowed all of this to happen and develop.

I don't know why but people are trying to find reasons to slight Curry as much as possible. The story now is that he's not even the best player on his team (false) and he doesn't show up in big moments. He had one very good finals and his 2015 #'s were 26pts/5reb/6.3ast with a .585 ts...and I'm not even going to bring in the 2016 finals cause I think it was bad but so far 1-1. Dare I say that he's starting to get the LeBron treatment.

You don't need to dare, he has. Which while annoying, is also a huge compliment.

[red96]

How much success did Curry have before Kerr's system? What about Jordan before Phil's system? What did Kobe do without Phil? Look at the Spurs right now, still elite without Duncan or Robinson, is it all because of Pop? MDA's system hasn't worked since PHX, not until now. Using a system to discredit Harden's success, but not others is very hypocritical.

Curry in 2013 before Kerr: 24/4.3/8.5/2 on .47/.42/.88.
Curry in 2014 after Kerr: 24/4.3/8/2 on .49/.44/.91.

Basically the same exact player, except better efficiency across the board because Mark Jackson's system was an ISO clusterjob.

People need to stop acting like Curry has been Curry for only a couple of years now. He's been unbelievable way before Kerr's system and before the evolution of Klay and Draymond. He's the one that's allowed all of this to happen and develop.

I don't know why but people are trying to find reasons to slight Curry as much as possible. The story now is that he's not even the best player on his team (false) and he doesn't show up in big moments. He had one very good finals and his 2015 #'s were 26pts/5reb/6.3ast with a .585 ts...and I'm not even going to bring in the 2016 finals cause I think it was bad but so far 1-1. Dare I say that he's starting to get the LeBron treatment.

I never slighted Curry. In fact, I stated that he's a star no matter who he plays for so....

[Gibson22]

In a scale from 1 to 5 as of today, if there was no narrative, no names
JH>KD>>Lbj>RW>Kawhi
Since narrative does exist
JH>RW>>LBJ>>Leonard/KD

[PeptoKlepto]

I cannot give the MVP to KD knowing that Steph is the most important player on the Warriors, as unbelievable as he's been this year for us.

Harden
Westbrook
Leonard
James

are my top 4. With Durant and/or Steph (I'd choose Steph) for the 5th spot.

[bmurph128]

Let's get real here. Unless they change the name of the award, this will always be LeBron. Might as well just exclude him from the debate. I personally think highly of Kyrie, but a lot of people posting in here do not. If you're one of the people that do not think highly of him, you should be screaming from the rooftops that LeBron is the MVP.

[RaptorsLife]

Let's get real here. Unless they change the name of the award, this will always be LeBron. Might as well just exclude him from the debate. I personally think highly of Kyrie, but a lot of people posting in here do not. If you're one of the people that do not think highly of him, you should be screaming from the rooftops that LeBron is the MVP.

Cavs have the 4th highest record in the league. Harden and Leonard are ahead

[Gil]

Let's get real here. Unless they change the name of the award, this will always be LeBron. Might as well just exclude him from the debate. I personally think highly of Kyrie, but a lot of people posting in here do not. If you're one of the people that do not think highly of him, you should be screaming from the rooftops that LeBron is the MVP.

There's no argument for LeBron. Enough of the hype already.

Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi & KD are the Top 4 in order. Bron is way back in 5th. He doesn't have the stats, doesn't have the record in the weak East & doesn't have the narrative either.

[bondom34]

Actually he does.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

Lebron is well ahead in RPM, among the main candidates would be first, followed by Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, then Harden. Durant isn't first on his own team, he's 3rd.

[Gil]

Actually he does.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

Lebron is well ahead in RPM, among the main candidates would be first, followed by Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, then Harden. Durant isn't first on his own team, he's 3rd.

According to RPM. Chris Paul & Kyle Lowry are the two best players in the League.

[bondom34]

Actually he does.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

Lebron is well ahead in RPM, among the main candidates would be first, followed by Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, then Harden. Durant isn't first on his own team, he's 3rd.

According to RPM. Chris Paul & Kyle Lowry are the two best players in the League.

You said he doesn't have the stats, I showed you he does.

Paul has been amazing, but injured.

Lowry's just been amazing. One stat doesn't tell the whole story, but claiming Lebron doesn't have the stats isn't correct, he absolutely does. And Cleveland is a mess without him, he has a definite case.

[Patches Perry]

I said this several weeks ago, but I don't see how Kawhi Leonard isn't getting more pub. On pace to win 64-65 games, averaging 26ppg in 33 minutes, and just shy of that 50/40/90 club. This in addition to what we know about his defense.

Right now I have him and Harden about even.

Westbrook wins if the Thunder win 50 or more and he continue to average a triple double.

[ChartFiction]

Kawhi dark horse. Spurs kind of sneaking up on the Warrior's record and he has impressive advanced numbers.

Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, then Durant.

Depending on how you see the MVP award, I can see an argument made for any of those guys. But that's my order.

If you want to go for doing the most with the least, you gotta go with Harden.
Best individual stats, you go with Westbrook.
Best player on best team, you go with Durant.
If you're salty about Durant, then the next best player on the best team is Kawhi.
Don't see an argument where you would pick Lebron, Lowry, or Chris Paul to the guy up there.

[mihail_petkov]

Spurs are good because Pop, not because Leonard. Also his defense this year is worse than previous years. Most probably because they replaced Duncan with Gasol.

Spurs without Leonard:
2016-2017: 3-0
2015-2016: 7-3

[QRich3]

Actually he does.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

Lebron is well ahead in RPM, among the main candidates would be first, followed by Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, then Harden. Durant isn't first on his own team, he's 3rd.

According to RPM. Chris Paul & Kyle Lowry are the two best players in the League.

Probably said every time RPM is mentioned, but that's not how stats work, no one is telling you that the guy at #1 is the best player in the league, or that Jokic is a better player than Anthony Davis or any such nonsense. If you can't read stats don't blame the stats themselves, just get informed about how they work. You can do so here or here if you want to.

[bondom34]

Actually he does.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

Lebron is well ahead in RPM, among the main candidates would be first, followed by Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, then Harden. Durant isn't first on his own team, he's 3rd.

According to RPM. Chris Paul & Kyle Lowry are the two best players in the League.

Probably said every time RPM is mentioned, but that's not how stats work, no one is telling you that the guy at #1 is the best player in the league, or that Jokic is a better player than anthony Davis or any such nonsense. If you can't read stats don't blame the stats themselves, just get informed about how they work. You can do so here or here if you want to.

Yep. And TBH if he were healthy CP would be at or near tops on my ballot.

[Fico92]

Spurs are good because Pop, not because Leonard. Also his defense this year is worse than previous years. Most probably because they replaced Duncan with Gasol.

Spurs without Leonard:
2016-2017: 3-0
2015-2016: 7-3

Spurs are good because they have a DPOY who averages 26ppg.

Also, try applying some context...they are 3-0 without him when facing Phoenix,Portland, Brooklyn...aka 2 of the bottom 3 teams in the entire NBA, and a non-playoff team in Portland.

[Gil]

San Antonio 4-0 without Kawhi.