Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Sixersftw]

Who isn't Jimmy teaming up with?
I, for one, will enjoy watching the Kawhi, Jimmy, Kyrie, KD, Harden super team. They might win some games.

[AirP.]

keep in mind that a butler s&t isn't the sixers' first choice. they reportedly want him back.
an s&t would only be after butler already told them he's leaving. they'd have to calculate whether gordon, tucker, & picks would be better than what they'd be able to get in free agency with the cap room jimmy leaving creates.
it's not like the sixers would be choosing to s&t butler rather than keep him.

If Butler is moved the 76ers HAVE to find someone who can playmaker at the end of playoff games if they want a legit shot at just getting to the finals, good luck in acquiring that without giving up Simmons or Embiid.

well, they're trying to keep butler. we'll see what happens. moving him would only be a last resort to get something in return for him leaving.

Butler leaving would mean something went wrong with trying to retain him, not the money, not his teammates but probably how he's been utilized during his tenure. When it came down to win or lose, the coaching staff gave the ball to Butler, the rest of the time he just not utilized offensively other than a spacer. If you work as hard as Butler does, taking a back seat so the other players get their touches probably doesn't sit with him well. It's a problem created by playing an offense that has 3 to 4 high level teammates that don't have much synergy with each other.

[stormi]

Not taking any of that bait Arsenal lol

[stormi]

Miami would be unquestionably more enticing in a s&t than Houston.

Give me Richardson / Bam + 2 1sts

[fl311]

If Butler is moved the 76ers HAVE to find someone who can playmaker at the end of playoff games if they want a legit shot at just getting to the finals, good luck in acquiring that without giving up Simmons or Embiid.

well, they're trying to keep butler. we'll see what happens. moving him would only be a last resort to get something in return for him leaving.

Butler leaving would mean something went wrong with trying to retain him, not the money, not his teammates but probably how he's been utilized during his tenure. When it came down to win or lose, the coaching staff gave the ball to Butler, the rest of the time he just not utilized offensively other than a spacer. If you work as hard as Butler does, taking a back seat so the other players get their touches probably doesn't sit with him well. It's a problem created by playing an offense that has 3 to 4 high level teammates that don't have much synergy with each other.

Its pretty simple. If he is offered 5 years max, he stays. if they do not want to go 5 year max, then he probably leaves.

There is nothing else to this.

[Arsenal]

This free agency saga will probably conclude with Jimmy and Tobi successfully posturing their super max's from the team, but I wonder how Hinkie would have played this

Sam Hinkie wouldn't have put himself into this compromised position to begin with, where we are forced to overpay both Butler and Harris after burning away almost all our assets to rent them.

We would be better off right now if we hadn't done either deal. We'd have all our assets still, RoCo, Dario, and Shamet under contract, and $45M of open cap room to make moves.

You’re freaking out about this lol. Every time I open this thread it’s the same thing. Those guys weren’t anything special, we’re in a better spot now. But the grass is always greener...

Why did we have to go ALL-IN last season when Ben was 22 and Joel was 24? These idiot owners RUSHED THE PROCESS for no reason at all. They should have held pat to take a shot at free agency this summer with all our guys under contract, $45M in open cap room, plus all our picks still in our pocket.

THEN if we struck out this summer we could always pivot to trading for stars. Or if things went our way we could have got a star for free in the FA market, along with another good player, with still keeping all our young talent and assets for future deals.

We went from having the longest view in the room to having the shortest view in the room.

[mksp]

well, they're trying to keep butler. we'll see what happens. moving him would only be a last resort to get something in return for him leaving.

Butler leaving would mean something went wrong with trying to retain him, not the money, not his teammates but probably how he's been utilized during his tenure. When it came down to win or lose, the coaching staff gave the ball to Butler, the rest of the time he just not utilized offensively other than a spacer. If you work as hard as Butler does, taking a back seat so the other players get their touches probably doesn't sit with him well. It's a problem created by playing an offense that has 3 to 4 high level teammates that don't have much synergy with each other.

Its pretty simple. If he is offered 5 years max, he stays. if they do not want to go 5 year max, then he probably leaves.

There is nothing else to this.

Which implies he'd leave to make less money than he could here, under the 5 year max.

[stormi]

We were 4 bounces away from a championship and I find the "ALL IN" thing funny like we don't have the money available to retain the same team going forward.

This wasn't like trading a treasure chests worth of first for a decomposing Pierce and KG.

Stop being a prisoner of the tabloids.

Harris was a slight over pay, maybe a first too much. Butler deal was fine. Getting back a first and high second for Fultz was good.

I wouldn't even consider Brand and Harris and the rest of our higher ups as anything more than mediocre, but none of the moves they've made in Elton's tenure so far have been franchise crippling. The same fans would have been up in arms if he stood pat and we got 4-1'd in the second round again.

[AirP.]

This free agency saga will probably conclude with Jimmy and Tobi successfully posturing their super max's from the team, but I wonder how Hinkie would have played this

Sam Hinkie wouldn't have put himself into this compromised position to begin with, where we are forced to overpay both Butler and Harris after burning away almost all our assets to rent them.

We would be better off right now if we hadn't done either deal. We'd have all our assets still, RoCo, Dario, and Shamet under contract, and $45M of open cap room to make moves.

That's not true, you took the eventual champs to the last second of a game 7, this team with its lack of time to create chemistry and Embiid's unfortunate illness were a true contender THIS YEAR and if this team stays together will continue to be a true contender for years, the question is does ownership want to spend the money to keep them together and be a contender or just spend a lot of money (Embiid and Simmons will be near max money alone) to be a good team.

What's odd to me is that fans would rather have a larger window with a lesser chance at winning a championship than a smaller window with a higher shot at winning a championship. After you take your shot in the shorter window it is possible to make moves to reload the team, if Embiid stays healthy and Simmons continues getting better, them alone should make Philly a top team for the next decade, at some point you have to strengthen your shot at winning a championship so why wait, you already have your young difference makers.

[Sixerscan]

Sam Hinkie wouldn't have put himself into this compromised position to begin with, where we are forced to overpay both Butler and Harris after burning away almost all our assets to rent them.

We would be better off right now if we hadn't done either deal. We'd have all our assets still, RoCo, Dario, and Shamet under contract, and $45M of open cap room to make moves.

You’re freaking out about this lol. Every time I open this thread it’s the same thing. Those guys weren’t anything special, we’re in a better spot now. But the grass is always greener...

Why did we have to go ALL-IN last season when Ben was 22 and Joel was 24? These idiot owners RUSHED THE PROCESS for no reason at all. They should have held pat to take a shot at free agency this summer with all our guys under contract, $45M in open cap room, plus all our picks still in our pocket.

THEN if we struck out this summer we could always pivot to trading for stars. Or if things went our way we could have got a star for free in the FA market, along with another good player, with still keeping all our young talent and assets for future deals.

We went from having the longest view in the room to having the shortest view in the room.

We didn’t go all in. Lakers went all in. Sixers are net neutral with FRPs, many extra 2nds, several decent young guys.

45 million for what? If you guys think no one is signing here now Covington’s bum knee wouldn’t have made a difference.

There’s not gonna be cap space next summer with Ben (and Dario had you kept him). It was go time. We’ve talking about that timing for years, people are just getting cold feet now.

[AirP.]

Miami would be unquestionably more enticing in a s&t than Houston.

Give me Richardson / Bam + 2 1sts

Why wouldn't they use fewer assets to create space to sign Butler outright?

[stormi]

Miami would be unquestionably more enticing in a s&t than Houston.

Give me Richardson / Bam + 2 1sts

Why wouldn't they use fewer assets to create space to sign Butler outright?

Because Pat is old and senile

[fl311]

Miami would be unquestionably more enticing in a s&t than Houston.

Give me Richardson / Bam + 2 1sts

Why wouldn't they use fewer assets to create space to sign Butler outright?

They are about $20m over the cap. In order to sign Jimmy outright, they would need to clear over $50m.

They would have to deplete their roster and trade future 1sts. They dont have a 2021 1st anymore, so they are limited in what they can do

[Arsenal]

You’re freaking out about this lol. Every time I open this thread it’s the same thing. Those guys weren’t anything special, we’re in a better spot now. But the grass is always greener...

Why did we have to go ALL-IN last season when Ben was 22 and Joel was 24? These idiot owners RUSHED THE PROCESS for no reason at all. They should have held pat to take a shot at free agency this summer with all our guys under contract, $45M in open cap room, plus all our picks still in our pocket.

THEN if we struck out this summer we could always pivot to trading for stars. Or if things went our way we could have got a star for free in the FA market, along with another good player, with still keeping all our young talent and assets for future deals.

We went from having the longest view in the room to having the shortest view in the room.

We didn’t go all in. Lakers went all in. Sixers are net neutral with FRPs, many extra 2nds, several decent young guys.

45 million for what? If you guys think no one is signing here now Covington’s bum knee wouldn’t have made a difference.

There’s not gonna be cap space next summer with Ben (and Dario had you kept him). It was go time. We’ve talking about that timing for years, people are just getting cold feet now.

We punted on FA THIS summer (not next summer as you tried to straw man) by making those deals and burning assets in the process. And we're STILL at risk of losing one or both of Butler and Harris. And to keep them we're forced to overpay.

We should have tried to sign stars this summer, and THEN made trades for stars if it didn't work.

[MambaJuice]

When was the last time a star player got signed and traded? We need to get these sign and trade scenarios out of our heads. It ain't happening.

[Sixerscan]

Why did we have to go ALL-IN last season when Ben was 22 and Joel was 24? These idiot owners RUSHED THE PROCESS for no reason at all. They should have held pat to take a shot at free agency this summer with all our guys under contract, $45M in open cap room, plus all our picks still in our pocket.

THEN if we struck out this summer we could always pivot to trading for stars. Or if things went our way we could have got a star for free in the FA market, along with another good player, with still keeping all our young talent and assets for future deals.

We went from having the longest view in the room to having the shortest view in the room.

We didn’t go all in. Lakers went all in. Sixers are net neutral with FRPs, many extra 2nds, several decent young guys.

45 million for what? If you guys think no one is signing here now Covington’s bum knee wouldn’t have made a difference.

There’s not gonna be cap space next summer with Ben (and Dario had you kept him). It was go time. We’ve talking about that timing for years, people are just getting cold feet now.

We punted on FA THIS summer (not next summer as you tried to straw man) by making those deals and burning assets in the process. And we're STILL at risk of losing one or both of Butler and Harris. And to keep them we're forced to overpay.

We should have tried to sign stars this summer, and THEN made trades for stars if it didn't work.

We tried that last summer and it didn’t work. They didn’t even get meetings. They decided to get off the sidelines and make something happen.

We can still sign stars this summer. We have even more than 45 in cap space. Again, I ask, if you don’t think anyone wants to come here now, do you really think having Cov here would make a difference?

[Kobblehead]

Gordon, Tucker, Nene and 3 first rounders over a 6 year stretch.

If they say no, tell them to kick rocks and Jimmy will just go sign with a team with capspace.

Nene?

lmfaooooooooo

Wait, do you think I actually value Nene as a player in 2019 or do you not understand Houston has to include salary to get as close to matching Butler's max as they can?

[stormi]

Gordon, Tucker, Nene and 3 first rounders over a 6 year stretch.

If they say no, tell them to kick rocks and Jimmy will just go sign with a team with capspace.

Nene?

lmfaooooooooo

Wait, do you think I actually value Nene as a player in 2019 or do you not understand Houston has to include salary to get as close to matching Butler's max as they can?

Get a third team involved

[AirP.]

Miami would be unquestionably more enticing in a s&t than Houston.

Give me Richardson / Bam + 2 1sts

Why wouldn't they use fewer assets to create space to sign Butler outright?

They are about $20m over the cap. In order to sign Jimmy outright, they would need to clear over $50m.

They would have to deplete their roster and trade future 1sts. They dont have a 2021 1st anymore, so they are limited in what they can do

Miami has much cheaper options
For starters, they have an expiring contract of Whiteside to use, while someone may not take all that (~27 mil), they may take that bigger 1-year contract to get rid of a longer term smaller contact. They also have R.Anderson and Dragic who could also be utilized to open up some space, then, of course, the 1st round picks could be tossed in to drop even more salary. They probably wouldn't have to move Richardson, Bam or Winslow to get the room.

[fl311]

Why wouldn't they use fewer assets to create space to sign Butler outright?

They are about $20m over the cap. In order to sign Jimmy outright, they would need to clear over $50m.

They would have to deplete their roster and trade future 1sts. They dont have a 2021 1st anymore, so they are limited in what they can do

Miami has much cheaper options
For starters, they have an expiring contract of Whiteside to use, while someone may not take all that (~27 mil), they may take that bigger 1-year contract to get rid of a longer term smaller contact. They also have R.Anderson and Dragic who could also be utilized to open up some space, then of course the 1st round picks could be tossed in to drop even more salary. They probably wouldn't have to move Richardson, Bam or Winslow to get the room.

Miami would need to include many picks to dump Whiteside and Anderson.

This is what they currently have. Cant trade 2020 or 2022 picks since you cant trade back to back. They have very little to offer to clear all that space. They are not an option

2020: One first round pick; no second round picks
2021: No first round picks; no second round picks
2022: One first round pick; one second round pick
2023: One first round pick; no second round picks
2024: One first round pick; one second round pick
2025: One first round pick; one second round pick