NBA Trade Thread

[Grodoboldo]

Good to know Bob Myers has a burner account 'round here.

**** no.

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[TheStig]

Wow every team hangs up on us.

To those that think this is the worst draft ever.... these kids are 18 years old and played a partial season and no tourney, of course they don't look good. Hell Wisemen only played 3 games! We don't know who these guys are till the combine. If anything there will be more surprises because there were no tourney heros and no oppurtunity for guys to improve and shine or stand out in the games.

[WindyCityBorn]

This is one the one worst trade ideas I have ever seen. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't a fan of another team.

[ChettheJet]

We don't know what players Karnisovas and Eversley like on the roster or who they might like to look at trading for or if there is more than one player in this draft they really like. What we have heard is that their plan is to add talent to the roster regardless of position. I have to honestly say that unless they have a deep dislike for Satoransky, Markkanen, White and Carter that's not in sync with the plan of adding talent.

All this trade does is exchange three young pieces they have for a big dollar star and new younger drafted pieces. That doesn't sound like the only information we've heard coming from the team.

[Hangtime84]

put this is the crappy trade ideas bin

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[drosestruts]

I just don't buy the "historically bad draft" talk. I feel like every year it's either a bad draft or there's a steep fall off after 3 or yadda yadda yadda, but no one knows, no one has any fricken idea. There's no exact science to drafting. In five years we might consider this the best draft class of the past decade. There's no way anyone can sit here now, months before the draft and claim it to be a terrible class, you just don't know.

In thee years we could've saying "how did everyone miss on Tyrese Haliburton?" James Wisemen could be second team All-NBA. We have no clue.

[drosestruts]

Also just now realizing i posted this on the Bulls board and not the Trades & Transactions board......which is my bad. Wrong place for this entirely.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
#7(Obi Toppin), #10(Issac Okoro), Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose, & Kevin Knox

Detroit Receives:
#8, #27, Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, & Cristiano Felicio

New York Receives:
#4(LaMelo Ball), #44, & Chandler Hutchison

Phoenix Receives:
Lauri Markkanen

Coby White / Derrick Rose / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Isaac Okoro (#10) / Adam Mokoka
Otto Porter Jr. / Kevin Knox
Blake Griffin / Obi Toppin (#7)
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

[PrimzyBulls81]

A trade idea that allows Karnisovas to quickly re-shape the Bulls team to his liking

Chicago in: Andrew Wiggins, Golden State 2020 1st round pick, Phoenix 2020 1st round pick
Chicago out: Tomas Satornasky, Lauri Markkanen, Coby White, and Wendell Carter Jr

Golden State in: Tomas Satoransky, Kelly Oubre, and Wendell Carter Jr.
Golden State out: Andrew Wiggins and 2020 1st round pick

Phoenix in: Lauri Markkanen and Coby White
Phoenix out: Kelly Oubre Jr and 2020 1st round pick


Hard to map out what the Bulls would look like depending on who's available at each spot in the draft but it gives them three shots at an impact player in the first round in year one of a new front office, while leaving them with talented players in LaVine and Wiggins who continue to have all the potential in the world. Could a new coach finally unlock it? Both are still relatively young wing players which is the most coveted position in the league. There's also still solid veterans like Porter and Young on the roster too.


Golden State:

Curry/Satoransky/Bowman
Thompson/Satoransky/Poole
Oubre/Satoransky/
Green/Paschall
Carter/Looney/Chriss

I think it's a given that the Warriors trade their pick for players that can help them make another run at a title. Oubre is an upgrade on the wing and Satoransky and Carter Jr provide additional depth. Satoransky's versatility helps out with his ability to play the 1-3, Carter is already a good defender with an untapped offensive game. His ceiling was often said to be Al Horford when he was drafted, if the Warriors can help develop him on the trajectory it would be a perfect fit for their front-court.


Phoenix:

Rubio/White/Jerome
Booker/White
Bridges/Johnson
Markkanen/Saric
Ayton/

After an impressive Bubble performance, Phoenix looks to add some pieces that can help them now while fitting alongside their core long-term. White can be a strong 6th man until taking over for Rubio down the line while Markkanen provides front court scoring and spacing.


Personally I'm hesitant and reluctant to trade players for draft picks, seems like a big risk. But if putting myself in the shoes of AK I'd want to do something to shake up the current Bulls roster and put my own stamp on the team. I think there's plenty of teams in the lottery looking to trade out for players that can help them more in the present, and it presents an opportunity to take advantage of that environment.

This is just horrible for Bulls! In this bad draft you dont do s... like this!

[Midwest219]

disgusting, i would prefer to walk off a cliff.
nobody in this draft it really worth trading up for, I hope the bulls trade our pick away this year to stack one or two more picks in the future. We was basically gifted this pick to do something with it, let's not waste it on drafting in a weak class this year and loading the team up with development players with your idea.
we got a good team on paper, we just need a better coach to see who can really do what and find out who should stay or go away, and then we draft the pieces we need in next years draft or two.

[sco]

I do get the point that we are trying to find some value back for Lauri as we lose most of his trade value after the season. So we are left with the question of whether there is enough value in hoping that FebruLauri returns versus getting (maybe) a late 1st rounder back in trade or similarly situated under-performer. The answer obviously depends on the specifics of an offer, but I don't feel bad about giving him that shot to return to greatness (ok - goodness).

Two factors that could change my mind are who we draft and who we pick up in FA. If we draft Toppin or sign Giles or Saric, I might feel differently.

[ChettheJet]

Based on the Team Needs sticky on the Trade Board

I tried to back something work and it's not all that easy

Bulls trade Young and Felicio
getting Dinwiddie and two way player Chris Clemons

BRK trades Dinwiddie and Deandre Jordan
getting Young and Robert Covington

HOU trades Covington and Clemons
getting Jordan and Felicio

HOU get a pair of centers since they basically have none, Felicio is only a one year backup
BRK get a pair of front court veterans mainly backups but either could start when needed
Bulls get the backup guard who can play next to Lavine or White, Clemons well he made the money needed


These could be off because it's hard to say what kind of offers Dunn and Valentine would be able to get from any team in a S&T so it's a guess. But again based on the team needs listed on the trade board both could figure into the Knicks for at least the short term with Thibs' way of operating.
Valentine to the Knicks for Kevin Knox III who after trading Young could compete for minutes at the SF with Hutchison while Porter backs up the PF spot. If they draft a SF the better of the two sticks around maybe Porter can be dealt at the deadline
and Dunn likewise to the Knicks bringing back Elfrid Payton who on a non guaranteed contract might have to be picked up but would be insurance behind White and Dinwiddie and sure has to be as good as Arci or Harrison

No not flashy, no lottery picks or mega contracts but these are the kind of realistic moves that could help them now, don't cost them picks or bind them to $34M players for 2,3,4 years taking them out of the FA market

[sco]

On a Lauri/pick trade I would consider:

Lauri, Otto + 4 to NY for Barrett, Randle, 8

Getting out of Randle's deal and getting Ball MIGHT be enough to get them to give-up on Barrett (who wasn't all that great). Otto's value to us is limited, but he and Lauri could add needed shooting and stability to the crap that is the Knicks.

[Chicagoat]

On a Lauri/pick trade I would consider:

Lauri, Otto + 4 to NY for Barrett, Randle, 8

Getting out of Randle's deal and getting Ball MIGHT be enough to get them to give-up on Barrett (who wasn't all that great). Otto's value to us is limited, but he and Lauri could add needed shooting and stability to the crap that is the Knicks.

I like RJ and he had some nice flashes last season. He also has that killer mentality. I would be all in this trade. BUT I only imagine that the Knicks would only do this trade if Lamelo is available at 4. It also depends how the new management views RJ and Lauri.

[d boy gentleman]

I wish there was some way to trade for Brandon Ingram.

[leo921]

Would anyone entertain a 4 for Barrett trade?

Think he is much better then he looked, hard to score at the rim when your playing with 4 power forwards and centers and can pass even though again he was surrounded by power forwards. Think there is a lot of upside with him.

[kodo]

Would anyone entertain a 4 for Barrett trade?

Think he is much better then he looked, hard to score at the rim when your playing with 4 power forwards and centers and can pass even though again he was surrounded by power forwards. Think there is a lot of upside with him.

I like his competitive drive a lot, but I think his ceiling is limited because he's a perimeter player who projects to be a pretty bad shooter (61% FT). Being a weak shooter is one thing, but that FT% is worse than McGee and Whiteside. He's also not very efficient near the rim, he's 57% at the rim which is worse than Sato.

It's a weak draft but I think I'd still throw the dice on a draft prospect instead.

[rtblues]

Wondering what Zach Lavine's trade value is right now? The answer would be very telling in assessing his "actual" value.
If the sell-high thinking is true, it's time to look at this. Should the rest of the league's responses/offers be less than
exciting, it tells you something.

The talk of "building around" a player really isn't possible unless that player is an All-Star, an All-NBA first or 2nd team selection, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, something tangible and real and not hopes. I just don't think you can consider anything less than one of these high-level achievement players as a cornerstone player you build around, unless it is a generational, obvious talent rookie like Zion, and even then...

Arguments to the contrary are simply the cognitive dissonance thinking of a fan, in other words, "I wish it to be true, so it is".

[sco]

Wondering what Zach Lavine's trade value is right now? The answer would be very telling in assessing his "actual" value.
If the sell-high thinking is true, it's time to look at this. Should the rest of the league's responses/offers be less than
exciting, it tells you something.

The talk of "building around" a player really isn't possible unless that player is an All-Star, an All-NBA first or 2nd team selection, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, something tangible and real and not hopes. I just don't think you can consider anything less than one of these high-level achievement players as a cornerstone player you build around, unless it is a generational, obvious talent rookie like Zion, and even then...

Arguments to the contrary are simply the cognitive dissonance thinking of a fan, in other words, "I wish it to be true, so it is".

I totally agree that Zach isn't a #1 option to "build around", but I also have significant doubts that he brings you back a guy or a pick that is at all likely to be a #1 option to build around (honestly, I don't think any of the top guys mentioned in this draft are a #1 option on a contender). I know folks are enamored with trading him for a handful of magic beans, but they are just regular beans.

[TheStig]

Based on the Team Needs sticky on the Trade Board

I tried to back something work and it's not all that easy

Bulls trade Young and Felicio
getting Dinwiddie and two way player Chris Clemons

BRK trades Dinwiddie and Deandre Jordan
getting Young and Robert Covington

HOU trades Covington and Clemons
getting Jordan and Felicio

HOU get a pair of centers since they basically have none, Felicio is only a one year backup
BRK get a pair of front court veterans mainly backups but either could start when needed
Bulls get the backup guard who can play next to Lavine or White, Clemons well he made the money needed


These could be off because it's hard to say what kind of offers Dunn and Valentine would be able to get from any team in a S&T so it's a guess. But again based on the team needs listed on the trade board both could figure into the Knicks for at least the short term with Thibs' way of operating.
Valentine to the Knicks for Kevin Knox III who after trading Young could compete for minutes at the SF with Hutchison while Porter backs up the PF spot. If they draft a SF the better of the two sticks around maybe Porter can be dealt at the deadline
and Dunn likewise to the Knicks bringing back Elfrid Payton who on a non guaranteed contract might have to be picked up but would be insurance behind White and Dinwiddie and sure has to be as good as Arci or Harrison

No not flashy, no lottery picks or mega contracts but these are the kind of realistic moves that could help them now, don't cost them picks or bind them to $34M players for 2,3,4 years taking them out of the FA market

Why do people make these offers that will never happen. Dinwiddie is really really good. He's worth much more than our scraps. DJ was recruited by the stars of the team. He's not going anywhere. Houston traded a really good C to get assets for a guy like ROCO. They're not making a deal to get a worse center.

Everyone laughs at this deal.