The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

[thelead]

I get that everyone wants a dynamic scorer with elite handles... count me in... but not every draft has a guy like that.

It's like the main (only?) thing that makes Shaedon Sharpe appealing.

I've heard his name so many times now. I need to check him out.

You should. I have him above Banchero because of it. He is just a big question mark since we didn't get to watch him in college. He is a legit top 5 prospect though.

[Rainwater]

I really don't know how people don't see Frye as a floor for Jabari (offensively that is). They literally get their points the same way.

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its not a bad floor for an 18 yr old.

That’s the difference - 18 v 26. Frye was 8 years older before he added the 3 to his game in the NBA (though he likely always had the shot since he came out shooting 40% on high volume that first season he did.)

But they don’t get their points the same way, short of the obvious relation that they both shoot the ball well from deep. Frye was much slower, never one to grab a board and go, and especially not one to then pull up for a shot from deep in the same move. Frye never carried the offensive load or attention of the defense that Jabari does, either. His wide open 3’s were by the nature that he was not feared or respected as a volume scorer. Frye never had the kind of FT rate that Jabari already shows at 18. Jabari has a USG% of 27.5 and PER of 25.5 and Frye never came close to touching either in college or the pros.

Jabari might have a similar profile to Frye (he’s tall and he shoots good) but his impact is closer to Ross or Lewis when either were on and raining buckets, but he’s already looking more reliable than Ross.

If you disagree that is fine

Frye is just Jabari's Floor, his ceiling is huge. Yes He could definitely be as good as Lewis. That is part of his allure.

And I pretty certain his usg will be pretty high when he enters the league, he will be a top pick. But I don't know how much stock I put into college usg being an indicator of how good you will be as a pro. Adam Morrison had a usg of 26 and is no where to be found and Westbrook had a usg of 22, same as Frye in college, and is a future hall of famer. So I really don't know how much usg is valued when evaluating a draft prospect when it's more about potential.

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[Xatticus]

I really don't know how people don't see Frye as a floor for Jabari (offensively that is). They literally get their points the same way.

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its not a bad floor for an 18 yr old.

That’s the difference - 18 v 26. Frye was 8 years older before he added the 3 to his game in the NBA (though he likely always had the shot since he came out shooting 40% on high volume that first season he did.)

But they don’t get their points the same way, short of the obvious relation that they both shoot the ball well from deep. Frye was much slower, never one to grab a board and go, and especially not one to then pull up for a shot from deep in the same move. Frye never carried the offensive load or attention of the defense that Jabari does, either. His wide open 3’s were by the nature that he was not feared or respected as a volume scorer. Frye never had the kind of FT rate that Jabari already shows at 18. Jabari has a USG% of 27.5 and PER of 25.5 and Frye never came close to touching either in college or the pros.

Jabari might have a similar profile to Frye (he’s tall and he shoots good) but his impact is closer to Ross or Lewis when either were on and raining buckets, but he’s already looking more reliable than Ross.

Frye was also a five that couldn’t defend anyone. He couldn’t move. He was DOA on the perimeter. Smith is a wing. It’s just silly to even invoke his name and that’s not intended as an insult to Frye.

[Bensational]

its not a bad floor for an 18 yr old.

That’s the difference - 18 v 26. Frye was 8 years older before he added the 3 to his game in the NBA (though he likely always had the shot since he came out shooting 40% on high volume that first season he did.)

But they don’t get their points the same way, short of the obvious relation that they both shoot the ball well from deep. Frye was much slower, never one to grab a board and go, and especially not one to then pull up for a shot from deep in the same move. Frye never carried the offensive load or attention of the defense that Jabari does, either. His wide open 3’s were by the nature that he was not feared or respected as a volume scorer. Frye never had the kind of FT rate that Jabari already shows at 18. Jabari has a USG% of 27.5 and PER of 25.5 and Frye never came close to touching either in college or the pros.

Jabari might have a similar profile to Frye (he’s tall and he shoots good) but his impact is closer to Ross or Lewis when either were on and raining buckets, but he’s already looking more reliable than Ross.

If you disagree that is fine

Frye is just Jabari's Floor, his ceiling is huge. Yes He could definitely be as good as Lewis. That is part of his allure.

And I pretty certain his usg will be pretty high when he enters the league, he will be a top pick. But I don't know how much stock I put into college usg being an indicator of how good you will be as a pro. Adam Morrison had a usg of 26 and is no where to be found and Westbrook had a usg of 22, same as Frye in college, and is a future hall of famer. So I really don't know how much usg is valued when evaluating a draft prospect when it's more about potential.

I point to USG as something to be considered alongside his efficiency, not in isolation. He plays high minutes, is a high focus of the offense and still maintains highly efficient numbers. To me that suggests his chances of his skills and numbers translating to the pros are high.

Westbrook is a hall of fame loser. The dude ruins teams he’s on, he doesn’t improve them. Not the best example to use there, imo.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

[Rainwater]

That’s the difference - 18 v 26. Frye was 8 years older before he added the 3 to his game in the NBA (though he likely always had the shot since he came out shooting 40% on high volume that first season he did.)

But they don’t get their points the same way, short of the obvious relation that they both shoot the ball well from deep. Frye was much slower, never one to grab a board and go, and especially not one to then pull up for a shot from deep in the same move. Frye never carried the offensive load or attention of the defense that Jabari does, either. His wide open 3’s were by the nature that he was not feared or respected as a volume scorer. Frye never had the kind of FT rate that Jabari already shows at 18. Jabari has a USG% of 27.5 and PER of 25.5 and Frye never came close to touching either in college or the pros.

Jabari might have a similar profile to Frye (he’s tall and he shoots good) but his impact is closer to Ross or Lewis when either were on and raining buckets, but he’s already looking more reliable than Ross.

If you disagree that is fine

Frye is just Jabari's Floor, his ceiling is huge. Yes He could definitely be as good as Lewis. That is part of his allure.

And I pretty certain his usg will be pretty high when he enters the league, he will be a top pick. But I don't know how much stock I put into college usg being an indicator of how good you will be as a pro. Adam Morrison had a usg of 26 and is no where to be found and Westbrook had a usg of 22, same as Frye in college, and is a future hall of famer. So I really don't know how much usg is valued when evaluating a draft prospect when it's more about potential.

I point to USG as something to be considered alongside his efficiency, not in isolation. He plays high minutes, is a high focus of the offense and still maintains highly efficient numbers. To me that suggests his chances of his skills and numbers translating to the pros are high.

Westbrook is a hall of fame loser. The dude ruins teams he’s on, he doesn’t improve them. Not the best example to use there, imo.

There have been plenty of guys with high efficiency and high usg but their games did not translate. I point again to Adam Morrison or Michael Beasley. Guys who were highly efficient with high usg in college but didn't really did do much.

Since you don't like Westbrook because of the added parameter of not being a winner, Chris Paul is a guy who had a usg of 21.5 (lower then Westbrook) with similar efficiency in his last year at Wake Forest as WRB (in terms of FG avg) and is one of the best pgs of all time.

This is all besides my point, you can probably find all types of combinations in term of high and low usg and efficiency players and being drafted. However, all I am saying is that while numbers like usg (and most players who do get drafted have high usg) play a part in drafting it is mostly based on potential.

[ogmagicfan]

Most NBA Comps to NBA Draft prospect comparisons are bad and a disservice to understanding on the player operates on the court. Comparing Jabari to Frye is like comparing Hezonja to Thompson, or Deshaun Stevenson to Michael Jordan.

Prospects a majority of the time don't solely resemble a previous NBA player. It's better to describe their strengths and weaknesses objectively.

[tiderulz]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

probably because Ivey doesnt look very efficient and his 3 ball is questionable, and disappears a lot in games

[KillMonger]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

probably because Ivey doesnt look very efficient and his 3 ball is questionable, and disappears a lot in games

agreed....i'm like 3 levels?....where's the 3rd level at? but seriously ivey is probably the top guard prospect in this draft but like the other top guys he has a weakness to his game and at this point of the season that weakness is glaring....for me i have him 4th, i think chet/jabari are clearly better and it's not close but banchero and ivey are very close to me so i guess it's a 3a/3b situation....for the magic? i think if they get one of the top 2 picks the choice is simple either jabari or chet....but lets say they get third then it gets interesting...since the talent level is close between ivey and banchero i think fit becomes more of a factor....would the magic select another guard? i'm not sure....do they still believe in the guards still on the roster?

[Skybox]

It's tempting to find that NBA comparison but always at least a little off. Jabari is a much better perimeter defender than Frye or even Ross. I'm extremely impressed with his lateral movement and foot speed on D. I think ORL Rashard is closer because Rashard Lewis was a scoring SF most of his career in Seattle, then grudgingly was labeled a PF (back when there really was a difference-today's PFs would have been SF's). Stan early in on his lineups and offense, playing small around a monster in the middle and raining 3's from 4 positions...I don't think Mikeal Bridges is too far off, potentially, as a true 3 & D guy who is long enough and agile enough to switch 1-4 on D and knock 'em down with that high release (like Rashard). His other tools, like ball handling & passing, may or may not develop but he looks pretty high level on 3'ing & D'ing to me. I'd love to get him at 3, because I just don't see anyone who screams "#1 overall" and the burden that brings with it.

[Petre1978]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

Ivey was not good the last games.
The FO should draft someone who can shoot.

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[BCS]

Let's keep adding to Jabari's comps....I've heard KD, Ryan Anderson but better defense, Frye but better defense, LA with 3 pt shot, Tatum, and on and on. I will add another one Dirk Nowitzki whose offense came from being able to get his shot off over defenders and not his handles, wink wink. We can keep doing this all day.

At the end of the day, he is an 18 year old elite shooter that can get his shots over the defense without needing much space or handles to get his shot off. Being so young he can improve his strength to become better scoring around the basket, his post game is actually not too bad but in Auburn he is not put in the best position to post up. His handling can improve but I honestly don't think it needs to, to be a great player in the NBA. But if he does....omg.

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[Petre1978]

I agree 100%

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I would take him over Ivey.
A lot more shooting potential.

[zaymon]

Let's keep adding to Jabari's comps....I've heard KD, Ryan Anderson but better defense, Frye but better defense, LA with 3 pt shot, Tatum, and on and on. I will add another one Dirk Nowitzki whose offense came from being able to get his shot off over defenders and not his handles, wink wink. We can keep doing this all day.

At the end of the day, he is an 18 year old elite shooter that can get his shots over the defense without needing much space or handles to get his shot off. Being so young he can improve his strength to become better scoring around the basket, his post game is actually not too bad but in Auburn he is not put in the best position to post up. His handling can improve but I honestly don't think it needs to, to be a great player in the NBA. But if he does....omg.

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Better shooter, much less skilled Franz Wagner

[Petre1978]

Let's keep adding to Jabari's comps....I've heard KD, Ryan Anderson but better defense, Frye but better defense, LA with 3 pt shot, Tatum, and on and on. I will add another one Dirk Nowitzki whose offense came from being able to get his shot off over defenders and not his handles, wink wink. We can keep doing this all day.

At the end of the day, he is an 18 year old elite shooter that can get his shots over the defense without needing much space or handles to get his shot off. Being so young he can improve his strength to become better scoring around the basket, his post game is actually not too bad but in Auburn he is not put in the best position to post up. His handling can improve but I honestly don't think it needs to, to be a great player in the NBA. But if he does....omg.

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I agree 100%

[Petre1978]

Let's keep adding to Jabari's comps....I've heard KD, Ryan Anderson but better defense, Frye but better defense, LA with 3 pt shot, Tatum, and on and on. I will add another one Dirk Nowitzki whose offense came from being able to get his shot off over defenders and not his handles, wink wink. We can keep doing this all day.

At the end of the day, he is an 18 year old elite shooter that can get his shots over the defense without needing much space or handles to get his shot off. Being so young he can improve his strength to become better scoring around the basket, his post game is actually not too bad but in Auburn he is not put in the best position to post up. His handling can improve but I honestly don't think it needs to, to be a great player in the NBA. But if he does....omg.

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Better shooter, much less skilled Franz Wagner

Wagner and Smith would be a good duo

[VFX]

Jaden Ivey is my guy. I can’t justify passing on a three level scoring wing for a center. I don’t care about his passing. My top 3 are Ivey, Holmgren, Smith. I actually can’t believe he’s not on this list.

I have to say this is probably my list as well with where Orlando sits in their lotto chances and not taking "fit" into consideration at all.

After these 3 there is a drop off leading to other non-bigs like Griffin, Mathurin, Sharpe, and Davis. I wouldn't be mad at landing any of them.

I'm completely out on Paolo after his last performance. Can't put my finger on it but he just doesn't seem like a first or second option in the NBA. He seems like a Tobias Harris kind of player that will get overpaid and disappear for multiple games.