Fake Trade Thread #4

[JDR720]

Probably a 3-way. We aren't looking to trade for players with our record.

The Heat get Bey + someone from us.
Detroit gets Miami's pick + something.
We get something to help facilitate.

[yosemiteben]

Every team is going to start with us and Detroit, we both are at the bottom of the standings but have functional rotation pieces we'd be willing to part with.

[JMAC3]

Trade value of:

Plumlee? A decent second or two
Oubre? A second would be a win
Rozier? A late first
Gordon? Negative value - Hold onto until expiring

Not really sure any of these trades make us better to be honest. Just assuming late first means bottom 3rd of round. Here are guys taken 20-30 the last three years that you would be moving Rozier for.

2022 -Branham, Braun, Kessler, Roddy, Beauchamp, Wesley, Moore Jr, Jovic, Patrick Baldwin, Tyty, Watson.
2021- Jalen Johnson, Keon, Jackson, Garuba, Josh Christopher, Quentin Grimes, Bones, Cam Thomas, Springer, Sharpe, Aldama
2020- Preciuous - Maxey, Nnaji, Bolmaro, RJ Hampton, Quickley, Pritchard, Azubuike, Jaden McDaniels, Flynn, Bane.

I would say out of the 30 players taken I am probably only really happy with Kessler, Grimes, Aldama, Maxey, Precious, Quickley, McDaniels and Bane. So 8/30 or 26% of the time.

Trading Rozier for even a decent player like Payton Pritchard or Josh Christopher feels like a pretty big L and they are far from the worst guys on this list.

The key to any trade is going to be moving Plumlee or Oubre in a way that we get additional value somehow whether that is taking on a contract into future years, maybe we get a decent pick+ reclamation project, or we combine 2 of these guys to increase return on our package. Just getting the 45th pick for Oubre feels like a pretty worthless deal to me.

[amcoolio]

Trade value of:

Plumlee? A decent second or two
Oubre? A second would be a win
Rozier? A late first
Gordon? Negative value - Hold onto until expiring

Not really sure any of these trades make us better to be honest. Just assuming late first means bottom 3rd of round. Here are guys taken 20-30 the last three years that you would be moving Rozier for.

2022 -Branham, Braun, Kessler, Roddy, Beauchamp, Wesley, Moore Jr, Jovic, Patrick Baldwin, Tyty, Watson.
2021- Jalen Johnson, Keon, Jackson, Garuba, Josh Christopher, Quentin Grimes, Bones, Cam Thomas, Springer, Sharpe, Aldama
2020- Preciuous - Maxey, Nnaji, Bolmaro, RJ Hampton, Quickley, Pritchard, Azubuike, Jaden McDaniels, Flynn, Bane.

I would say out of the 30 players taken I am probably only really happy with Kessler, Grimes, Aldama, Maxey, Precious, Quickley, McDaniels and Bane. So 8/30 or 26% of the time.

Trading Rozier for even a decent player like Payton Pritchard or Josh Christopher feels like a pretty big L and they are far from the worst guys on this list.

The key to any trade is going to be moving Plumlee or Oubre in a way that we get additional value somehow whether that is taking on a contract into future years, maybe we get a decent pick+ reclamation project, or we combine 2 of these guys to increase return on our package. Just getting the 45th pick for Oubre feels like a pretty worthless deal to me.

26% chance at a better player over keeping Rozier and being forced to start him next to LaMelo and continue the losing and chemistry issues seems like a win for me

Got to take chances man, at this point its clear that Rozier isn't moving the win/loss needle just like most other players on this team. I'm more receptive to moving him becuase he isn't a fit with LaMelo.

Its also getting the asset of a "first round pick", which can be used for bigger trades. Its easy to see why we went after Mitchell now, and probably would have done it had Miles not gotten to his mess

[JMAC3]

Not really sure any of these trades make us better to be honest. Just assuming late first means bottom 3rd of round. Here are guys taken 20-30 the last three years that you would be moving Rozier for.

2022 -Branham, Braun, Kessler, Roddy, Beauchamp, Wesley, Moore Jr, Jovic, Patrick Baldwin, Tyty, Watson.
2021- Jalen Johnson, Keon, Jackson, Garuba, Josh Christopher, Quentin Grimes, Bones, Cam Thomas, Springer, Sharpe, Aldama
2020- Preciuous - Maxey, Nnaji, Bolmaro, RJ Hampton, Quickley, Pritchard, Azubuike, Jaden McDaniels, Flynn, Bane.

I would say out of the 30 players taken I am probably only really happy with Kessler, Grimes, Aldama, Maxey, Precious, Quickley, McDaniels and Bane. So 8/30 or 26% of the time.

Trading Rozier for even a decent player like Payton Pritchard or Josh Christopher feels like a pretty big L and they are far from the worst guys on this list.

The key to any trade is going to be moving Plumlee or Oubre in a way that we get additional value somehow whether that is taking on a contract into future years, maybe we get a decent pick+ reclamation project, or we combine 2 of these guys to increase return on our package. Just getting the 45th pick for Oubre feels like a pretty worthless deal to me.

26% chance at a better player over keeping Rozier and being forced to start him next to LaMelo and continue the losing and chemistry issues seems like a win for me

Got to take chances man, at this point its clear that Rozier isn't moving the win/loss needle just like most other players on this team. I'm more receptive to moving him becuase he isn't a fit with LaMelo.

Its also getting the asset of a "first round pick", which can be used for bigger trades. Its easy to see why we went after Mitchell now, and probably would have done it had Miles not gotten to his mess

I am not even saying 26% are better, that is the level of we didn't lose the deal awfully... In all honestly probably 2 guys on that entire list are better than Rozier. Bane and Maxey. Quentin Grimes playing 40 mins and taking 5 shots tonight is not a better player than Rozier.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Not really sure any of these trades make us better to be honest. Just assuming late first means bottom 3rd of round. Here are guys taken 20-30 the last three years that you would be moving Rozier for.

2022 -Branham, Braun, Kessler, Roddy, Beauchamp, Wesley, Moore Jr, Jovic, Patrick Baldwin, Tyty, Watson.
2021- Jalen Johnson, Keon, Jackson, Garuba, Josh Christopher, Quentin Grimes, Bones, Cam Thomas, Springer, Sharpe, Aldama
2020- Preciuous - Maxey, Nnaji, Bolmaro, RJ Hampton, Quickley, Pritchard, Azubuike, Jaden McDaniels, Flynn, Bane.

I would say out of the 30 players taken I am probably only really happy with Kessler, Grimes, Aldama, Maxey, Precious, Quickley, McDaniels and Bane. So 8/30 or 26% of the time.

Trading Rozier for even a decent player like Payton Pritchard or Josh Christopher feels like a pretty big L and they are far from the worst guys on this list.

The key to any trade is going to be moving Plumlee or Oubre in a way that we get additional value somehow whether that is taking on a contract into future years, maybe we get a decent pick+ reclamation project, or we combine 2 of these guys to increase return on our package. Just getting the 45th pick for Oubre feels like a pretty worthless deal to me.

26% chance at a better player over keeping Rozier and being forced to start him next to LaMelo and continue the losing and chemistry issues seems like a win for me

Got to take chances man, at this point its clear that Rozier isn't moving the win/loss needle just like most other players on this team. I'm more receptive to moving him becuase he isn't a fit with LaMelo.

Its also getting the asset of a "first round pick", which can be used for bigger trades. Its easy to see why we went after Mitchell now, and probably would have done it had Miles not gotten to his mess

I'd also like to add that it is way too early to be assessing the careers of 2022 draft picks and to a lesser extent 2021 picks (except Bouknight, lol). I'd be surprised if at least a few others on this list don't break out and become quality players in a year or two.

[JDR720]

Mentioned in the Rozier thread, but Rozier is a bad fit with our young players + whoever we pick in the top 5.

If we draft Wemby or Scoot, and keep Miles, Rozier is our 4th option. And if we pick Scoot or another of the SF/SGs, he's coming off the bench. He makes too much money to come off the bench, let alone the fit issues.

Trading Rozier isn't just about trading Rozier, it's managing the team's future by trying to build better around Melo + whoever else we pick this year.

[Braggins]

If Roziers contract ended after next season like Haywards then it wouldn't be as necessary to trade him. His contract goes through the 25/26 season, which means he'll be taking up 25 million in cap after LaMelo's rookie extension kicks in. So, when you factor that in and also his age, all the issues JDR mentioned become problematic. It just doesn't make sense for him to be a part of the long term plan.

I disagree with everyone eager to get rid of PJ and McDaniels, but Rozier more than anyone doesn't fit. Hayward would fit if he ever played, but it isn't a big deal long term that he can't stay healthy because hes a huge expiring next season anyways. I think Cody Martin and most of the players younger than him are good to try to keep unless a team wants to overpay in draft capital for them.

[JDR720]

When we first traded for him, I think we thought he'd be a 15/5/5 type player who'd play good defense but was iffy on offense (shooting).

Turns out, he ended up being pretty much the opposite. And ironically, Boston Terry actually would be a pretty good fit here, if his contract was reasonable.

For whatever reason, he just became good on offense and quit playing defense.

[JDR720]

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[-Ian-]

I'd be surprised if we make any deal this season.

[JMAC3]

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Not sure what the deal would look like, but it probably would be more than I want to give up for a Unrestricted Free Agent.

Especially since we could just outright sign him this summer if we were super motivated to make it happen.

[amcoolio]

I really think that our players would have more value on other teams, but because Charlotte is toxic and considered amateur to the other organizations, they want us to lose as much trade value as we can emotionally take, and we'd take it, like that dumbass 13th draft pick trade

[JDR720]

Don't get the Toronto trade. Toronto's entire team is Jalen McDaniels types. Meanwhile, trading for Trent Jr. definitely means we're trading Rozier.

[fatlever]

bertans and two 2nds (or 2025 late 1st) for terry?

- bertans has only 5 nil guaranteed in 2025

i like getting picks, like the shooting. doesnt help defense or rebounding at all. it would have to be the 1st for me.

[fatlever]

pj for duarte and cavs 2023 1st?

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[JMAC3]

bertans and two 2nds (or 2025 late 1st) for terry?

- bertans has only 5 nil guaranteed in 2025

i like getting picks, like the shooting. doesnt help defense or rebounding at all. it would have to be the 1st for me.

This isn't even close for me. Bertans is basically unplayable. Do you know how bad at basketball you have to be not get minutes if you can shoot 37% from three? Answer verrryyyyyyyyyy badddd

[JMAC3]

pj for duarte and cavs 2023 1st?

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Probably the first real offer I have seen that I would consider.

Depends on how negotiations are going with PJ agent on new contract.

[Liver_Pooty]

pj for duarte and cavs 2023 1st?

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Probably the first real offer I have seen that I would consider.

Depends on how negotiations are going with PJ agent on new contract.

Be an easy yes for me if Duarte was half the player he was his rookie year.

[JMAC3]

pj for duarte and cavs 2023 1st?

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Probably the first real offer I have seen that I would consider.

Depends on how negotiations are going with PJ agent on new contract.

Be an easy yes for me if Duarte was half the player he was his rookie year.

Duarte already 25 though and it is hard to chalk his struggles up to being a young player. Aaron Nesmith has surpassed him on the depth chart in Indy.