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Post#1841 » by God Squad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:55 pm

RaptorLakerJay wrote:How about FVV for Lowry + Martin. Allows more ball movement, and a solid role player off the bench.

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Post#1842 » by Gavin_TDThree » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:57 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:herb and dyson for og would be fantastic imo



toss in a pick and I think we have a real solid trade on our hands
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Post#1843 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:07 pm

Which sucker will take FVV. That is the question
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Post#1844 » by DonDoolie » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:10 pm

After last nights game management probably thinks we are title contenders. We are about to trade all our picks
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Post#1845 » by Gavin_TDThree » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:36 pm

navyblue wrote:I don't see magic as buyers (fringe sellers Harris, Bamba, Ross). They are probably just being used by other teams to drive up price.


I tend to agree. The magic wanting to be buyers seems odd considering where they are in their rebuild.

The only logic I could see is that they want to surround their young guys with real veteran leadership that won't impact the win columns drastically. Obviously FVV gets them a few more wins but I don't see him turning them into a playoff team on his own. Good leadership for their young players
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Post#1846 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:59 pm

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navyblue wrote:I don't see magic as buyers (fringe sellers Harris, Bamba, Ross). They are probably just being used by other teams to drive up price.


I tend to agree. The magic wanting to be buyers seems odd considering where they are in their rebuild.

The only logic I could see is that they want to surround their young guys with real veteran leadership that won't impact the win columns drastically. Obviously FVV gets them a few more wins but I don't see him turning them into a playoff team on his own. Good leadership for their young players


The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.
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Post#1847 » by RaptorLakerJay » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:03 pm

FVV + Flynn for Monte Morris + Will Barton + Kispert + Gafford.
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Post#1848 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:11 pm

RaptorLakerJay wrote:FVV + Flynn for Monte Morris + Will Barton + Kispert + Gafford.


I think they like Morris so maybe Delon? Also I think they really like Gafford.

FVV, Flynn and Hernangomez for Delon, Barton and Kispert?

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Post#1849 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:18 pm

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Gavin_TDThree wrote:
navyblue wrote:I don't see magic as buyers (fringe sellers Harris, Bamba, Ross). They are probably just being used by other teams to drive up price.


I tend to agree. The magic wanting to be buyers seems odd considering where they are in their rebuild.

The only logic I could see is that they want to surround their young guys with real veteran leadership that won't impact the win columns drastically. Obviously FVV gets them a few more wins but I don't see him turning them into a playoff team on his own. Good leadership for their young players


The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.
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Post#1850 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:28 pm

Zeno wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:
I tend to agree. The magic wanting to be buyers seems odd considering where they are in their rebuild.

The only logic I could see is that they want to surround their young guys with real veteran leadership that won't impact the win columns drastically. Obviously FVV gets them a few more wins but I don't see him turning them into a playoff team on his own. Good leadership for their young players


The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.


I just don't buy that they'd cough up the Chicago lotto pick for a sneak preview at Fred when they can sign him outright.
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Post#1851 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:29 pm

Not that I would support it.

But I wonder what type of player we could get if we traded our unprotected first this year which is currently sitting at #6.
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Post#1852 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:31 pm

I get the impression that Suggs is available from Orlando.
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Post#1853 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:33 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Zeno wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.


I just don't buy that they'd cough up the Chicago lotto pick for a sneak preview at Fred when they can sign him outright.

I guess it matter how Chicago is looking and how Orlando is doing. The lesser of their and Chicago's pick seems reasonable if they have a deal in place with Fred. Adding yet another late lotto pick to that team might not be seen as, as valuable as staying over the cap and having the full MLE and BAE to play with.
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Post#1854 » by Lord_Zedd » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:33 pm

Zeno wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:
I tend to agree. The magic wanting to be buyers seems odd considering where they are in their rebuild.

The only logic I could see is that they want to surround their young guys with real veteran leadership that won't impact the win columns drastically. Obviously FVV gets them a few more wins but I don't see him turning them into a playoff team on his own. Good leadership for their young players


The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.


Orlando can just unguarantee Bamba/Harris to sign VanVleet outright this summer. If anything, Orlando will shove Cole Anthony down our throats, and/or the contract of Hampton which got Jalen Smith'ed this year.

There's no reason for Orlando to cough up a juicy pick + Suggs unless they want to narrow down the FVV sweepstakes between them and the Spurs.
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Post#1855 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:36 pm

CoinTossRoss31 wrote:Not that I would support it.

But I wonder what type of player we could get if we traded our unprotected first this year which is currently sitting at #6.


a up and coming young talent?

somone better a player like Bamba with control

I am assuming the Raptors would be looking for a push into the playoffs at that point. :o
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1856 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:38 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Zeno wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.


Orlando can just unguarantee Bamba/Harris to sign VanVleet outright this summer. If anything, Orlando will shove Cole Anthony down our throats, and/or the contract of Hampton which got Jalen Smith'ed this year.

There's no reason for Orlando to cough up a juicy pick + Suggs unless they want to narrow down the FVV sweepstakes between them and the Spurs.


yup orlando won't trade the Raptors a pick for FVV. Combination of Bamba, Harris, Ross, Suggs etc. at most
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1857 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:43 pm

ItsDanger wrote:I get the impression that Suggs is available from Orlando.


they got trapped with him lol they didn't work him out or did enough homework - but he was supposedly a "consensus" top 4 pick on paper - Magic didn't know what they had in him - whether good or bad. but would look dumb if they passed on him at that moment.

i'd imagine they would pick Suggs at 7 when it came back around to them though if they picked up a guy like Giddey or Kuminga at #5 if Suggs wasn't picked up by OKC and Warriors.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1858 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:44 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Zeno wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
The Magic have a lot of redundant garbage that they'd love to pawn off on someone for good players. They're probably really happy with Banchero and how Wagner has been the best player out of the previous draft. That's 1-2 right there. I don't see an advantage for the Raptors in trading with them other than fearing losing Fred for nothing. Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter are the best young players that could fit our style of player, and Isaac is probably too different to fit into our locker room and Carter is too good to be traded for an incoming UFA. Bamba just isn't good. He's struggling to get minutes over Mo Wagner. Suggs is potential, but usually players that started off that bad are already in the bust zone or develop into overpaid role players if they pull it together.

Magic have contract structures the Raps tend to like in Bamba and Harris so if they really don't want Fred getting the Chicago pick and a flyer on a young player might be really appealing. Even if you don't like Bamba or Harris as players, their non-guaranteed contracts for next year preserve Fred's salary slot.

Fred, Khem, Juancho for Bamba, Harris, Suggs and Chicago's 1st. I'd probably do.


Orlando can just unguarantee Bamba/Harris to sign VanVleet outright this summer. If anything, Orlando will shove Cole Anthony down our throats, and/or the contract of Hampton which got Jalen Smith'ed this year.

There's no reason for Orlando to cough up a juicy pick + Suggs unless they want to narrow down the FVV sweepstakes between them and the Spurs.

being an under the cap team has a cost. Suggs is a depreciating asset. Also Fred has a say and might just want to get a commitment now. Maybe it ends up as Cole Anthony and the lesser of the 2 1sts instead. I'm not sure Masai does that and might just wait until the offseason. They signed Bamba and Harris to those types of contracts with this exact type of transaction in mind. I think they do a similar trade in the summer to remain an over the cap team even if Fred decides to go there.
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Post#1859 » by Ackshun » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:45 pm

DonDoolie wrote:After last nights game management probably thinks we are title contenders. We are about to trade all our picks


We won’t trade out, we will trade down.

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Post#1860 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:46 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:I get the impression that Suggs is available from Orlando.


they got trapped with him lol they didn't work him out or did enough homework - but he was supposedly a "consensus" top 4 pick on paper - Magic didn't know what they had in him - whether good or bad. but would look dumb if they passed on him at that moment.

i'd imagine they would pick Suggs at 7 when it came back around to them though if they picked up a guy like Giddey or Kuminga at #5 if Suggs wasn't picked up by OKC and Warriors.

In that scenario they don't get Franz, that would have been a double yikes.
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