NBA Trade Thread #12

[NecessaryEvil]

I doubt Ayo gets moved. Chicago literally hates AKME. Even if it’s the right thing to do, him being a Chicago native isn’t going to get over well with the fanbase.

[sco]

I doubt Ayo gets moved. Chicago literally hates AKME. Even if it’s the right thing to do, him being a Chicago native isn’t going to get over well with the fanbase.

I think that it's precious that you think AK cares about what the fanbase things.

[nomorezorro]

feels like minnesota would make sense as a destination for ayo, although i dunno if we could pry one of their young guards (shannon/dillingham) away from them and they don't have much else in the way of player assets.

i guess a NAW s&t might work if our interest in him is legit? although ayo for NAW at a higher price point might be kind of a lateral move on our end. i dunno.

[sco]

feels like minnesota would make sense as a destination for ayo, although i dunno if we could pry one of their young guards (shannon/dillingham) away from them and they don't have much else in the way of player assets.

i guess a NAW s&t might work if our interest in him is legit? although ayo for NAW at a higher price point might be kind of a lateral move on our end. i dunno.

I see that. I can't imagine we'd still be interested in NAW (pretty much the same role as Okoro).

[Infinity2152]

Per Brett Seigal of ClutchSports, Kuminga is looking for a deal that pays more than $30 mill/yr AAV. For those who think he and his agent have severely reduced their contract demands.

Don't think he gets close to that, but clearly he thinks he does. Saw some teams might be trying to clear space to take a run at him. Heat reportedly have interest. His market may not be as barren as it looks.

[Chi town]

feels like minnesota would make sense as a destination for ayo, although i dunno if we could pry one of their young guards (shannon/dillingham) away from them and they don't have much else in the way of player assets.

i guess a NAW s&t might work if our interest in him is legit? although ayo for NAW at a higher price point might be kind of a lateral move on our end. i dunno.

I see that. I can't imagine we'd still be interested in NAW (pretty much the same role as Okoro).

Bulls loved Beringer.

Ayo and POR pick for Beringer?

Ayo and Jalen for Beringer?

[Infinity2152]

Ayo's like Pat Will. Trading them now would be at the bottom of their value. I'm all for waiting on both and moving the other expirings first. Ayo's expiring, but he's the one most likely to be worth re-signing outside of maybe Coby.

Gobert is probably on the block pretty hard, though. We could probably do Vucevic/Pat Will or Vucevic/Collins for Gobert/Terrance Shannon. Gobert's not perfect, but we could do a hell of a lot worse for a starting center. Salary isn't crazy high anymore and Terrance Shannon's cheap salary offsets it. 6'6" SG from Chicago, played some at Illinois, definitely a Chicago pick.

Giddey, Jones, Carter
White, Ayo, Terry
Huerter, Okoro, Phillips
Matas, Williams, Essengue
Gobert, Smith

Essengue, Okoro or Williams work their way to the starting lineup, we could have something.

One roster spot left. Whole lots of guys who could step up and prove themselves, make some noise. Lot of flexibility.

[Guru]

Pwill and Vuc for Rui-Vincent and Vandberbilt works. I'd love to get Thiero somehow too.

[Infinity2152]

Pwill and Vuc for Rui-Vincent and Vandberbilt works. I'd love to get Thiero somehow too.

Would be a very solid squad. I'm a believer in both Giddey and Matas. Imo, the guys we should go after in trade right now are Derrick White, Derrick Lively, Daniel Gafford, Devin Booker, Jalen green, Bradley Beal, Devin Vassell. Derrick White's first on the list since we missed Bane.

Not trying to hear Celtics won't trade White, Spurs won't trade Vassell, whatever. Couple of weeks ago Celtics would never trade Brown and now they're listening to offers. Coby could go in a trade for any of those guys, and we have a ton of other assets to add. I'd try to do that first. Would have held Lonzo for that move too.

Side note: Hornets are looking for a veteran backup PG. What are the odds they would have given us Mark Williams for the chance to pair Lonzo and Lamelo? Or whatever else reasonable we asked for? A future first, at least? From the Hornets. Marketing would have been crazy!

[Chi town]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281063/Suns-Blocked-From-Bradley-Beal-Waive-And-Stretch-Due-To-Previous-Moves

Suns are a train wreck.

Looks like they can’t get waivers and stretch Beal.

[nomorezorro]

celtics fans seem weirdly keen on acquiring vucevic...i'd be down for a simons-for-vucevic swap

would be more interested in hauser but salary matching is tricky there

[Dan Z]

Pwill and Vuc for Rui-Vincent and Vandberbilt works. I'd love to get Thiero somehow too.

Would be a very solid squad. I'm a believer in both Giddey and Matas. Imo, the guys we should go after in trade right now are Derrick White, Derrick Lively, Daniel Gafford, Devin Booker, Jalen green, Bradley Beal, Devin Vassell. Derrick White's first on the list since we missed Bane.

Not trying to hear Celtics won't trade White, Spurs won't trade Vassell, whatever. Couple of weeks ago Celtics would never trade Brown and now they're listening to offers. Coby could go in a trade for any of those guys, and we have a ton of other assets to add. I'd try to do that first. Would have held Lonzo for that move too.

Side note: Hornets are looking for a veteran backup PG. What are the odds they would have given us Mark Williams for the chance to pair Lonzo and Lamelo? Or whatever else reasonable we asked for? A future first, at least? From the Hornets. Marketing would have been crazy!

The Hornets traded Mark Williams for two draft picks and Micic.

I agree that they might want Lonzo, but why would they give up a pick too? It's more likely that they'd want Lonzo plus Bulls picks.

[WesPeace]

I'm not saying it's not possible to play SF or PF at 6'5". I'm saying it's inherently going to be harder than SG. Lot of nights you'll be matching up against 6'9-611 SF's. I'm giving him credit, I think his career would have gone better if he was regularly matched up against players his same height, that's all. Personally, I'd prefer my SF 6'7 at least with a long wingspan to add to my defensive length. If you're shorter than both the guards, does it matter what we call you? You're still not bringing extra height or length. Works with a 6'8 PG, but what about if we resign Tre Jones? Could be looking at 6'1 Tre Jones, 6'4 Ayo Dosunmu, 6'5" Isaac Okoro on the court at the same time.

Caruso and Green are freaks and both guards, they can just defend multiple positions because they're that good. They played every position except center because we had no forwards besides Pat.

To be honest, 6'9 - 6'11 height is PF size, especially in modern NBA where we also see a lot of 6'8 and 6'9 small ball centers.. average height for SF is 6'6-6'7, even per ChatGPT 199cm, which is more 6'6..

With that lineup you mentioned, its pretty clear that Jones would defend PG, Ayo SG and Okoro SF and I would have zero issues with that.

I Googled it after the conversation. It came back 6'7" for SF. Checked another AI, 6'6.75", or 6'7" for 2024-2025 season. casino.org has it at 6'6.5", or 6'7".

NBA.com has the average height of an NBA player entering 2024-2025 season is 6'7".

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-roster-survey-facts-2024-25-season

So I stand by 6'7. Google has the average height of PF's at 6'8.2 in 2024, so basically 1 inch taller than SF.

Any way you want to quibble, it's undersized for a SF. All season saw all these complaints about Donovan running 4 guard lineups. I assume the reason is because people want height on the court. Why anyone would want a player built like Okoro vs a player built like Matas or Lauri at SF is really beyond me. What's the advantages of having a shorter forward? Not additional rebounding, shot blocking, rim protection, you know forward type things. Again, don't see the argument. He just played SF and we see how he plays that. Forwards are supposed to out-rebound guards.

It's almost like we forgot basketball is a big man's sport and height and length matter A LOT. Still not many guys making the league under 6' and Wemby is what, 7'4"?

That lineup would be good defensively individually, MAYBE. Depends on who you're playing, they're going to be outsized at 3 positions by a lot of teams. Their arms are shorter, less help defense and reach, less rebounding, smaller bodies when bigs get switched as happens often in the NBA.

Comparing him to Caruso is funny. If he had been playing like Caruso at forward, would have packed Lonzo's bags. He's our guy, hopes he works out. Wouldn't have traded Lonzo for a 6'5 average to below average player.

Dude , one thing is starting lineup, then there are different matchups, adjustments and mismatches etc etc..

Why would really anyone play 6'5 guy on defense Vs a 6'9 guy for example is beyond me.. I didnt said Okoro must be playing SF on defense vs Markannen or something like that?! Billy D was dumb enough to play Javonte on Giannis and Durant tho.. he tried ,but lack of height was very obvious and everytime both guys shot the ball, he was way below possible block lol..

But Steve Kerr did similar thing many times with Draymond Green vs other legit centers?! Why?! Only he knows.. Green is legit defensive wall, but still cant defend 7footers of course as some center could.

I was complaining about our lack of size as well, thanx god that is changing last two seasons. But again Billy is Billy and he has his funny ways.. so even if we start Okoro instead of Huerter on SF (which I dont want), Okoro would be defending opponents PG or SG very likely, as Giddey cant really, he would be covering SF on defense.

[Infinity2152]

Pwill and Vuc for Rui-Vincent and Vandberbilt works. I'd love to get Thiero somehow too.

Would be a very solid squad. I'm a believer in both Giddey and Matas. Imo, the guys we should go after in trade right now are Derrick White, Derrick Lively, Daniel Gafford, Devin Booker, Jalen green, Bradley Beal, Devin Vassell. Derrick White's first on the list since we missed Bane.

Not trying to hear Celtics won't trade White, Spurs won't trade Vassell, whatever. Couple of weeks ago Celtics would never trade Brown and now they're listening to offers. Coby could go in a trade for any of those guys, and we have a ton of other assets to add. I'd try to do that first. Would have held Lonzo for that move too.

Side note: Hornets are looking for a veteran backup PG. What are the odds they would have given us Mark Williams for the chance to pair Lonzo and Lamelo? Or whatever else reasonable we asked for? A future first, at least? From the Hornets. Marketing would have been crazy!

The Hornets traded Mark Williams for two draft picks and Micic.

I agree that they might want Lonzo, but why would they give up a pick too? It's more likely that they'd want Lonzo plus Bulls picks.

I didn't mean a pick too, I meant a pick plus Williams instead, lol! I said "or" not "and". Straight trade or Ball for pick and filler. Wouldn't send them any picks, you may not think so, but Lonzo is WAY more valuable to them than any other team. One of Lamelo's biggest issues is maturity, playing with his big bro would be a gamechanger. Lonzo's a great vet for a young team, would have been great for us too.

[ChettheJet]

T-Wolves extending Randle 3/$100. I guess that where a player of his caliber is worth but to me that's not the move for a team aspiring for championship spend their money. Sure he piles up stats but when has Randle played on a winner, he's on his 4th team, did any of then see him as the difference make, they all moved on from him still trying to win

I can easily see Josh Giddey at 4/$120

[ChettheJet]

Duncan Robinson opts OUT with the Heat. Heat will help him if there's a S&T to be made.

Is this anything for the Bulls?

No doubt Robinson can shoot, he's not a great defender or ball handler but being with the Heat he gets the importance of defense and maybe considers working harder at it.

Could he sign with the Bulls for 2 years with a team option taking him into a TPE in a S&T for Ayo or White? If they can resign Tre Jones behind Giddey less need for one of Ayo or Coby as 4th PG and room for a shooter

[boozapalooza]

Shams reporting Charlotte has traded Nurkic to Utah for Sexton

Charlotte now only has 1 C on their roster (Moussa Diabate) and has a serious need there after trading Mark Williams and Nurkic. The rest of their roster actually looks kinda decent. Charlottes desperate for relevance and could sell themselves on acquiring a former all star big in Vuc to round out their team and make a playoff run. A lot of young guys too and need a steady vet presence.

I dont love their contracts in the 15-20M range, but they have a boatload of future FRPs. Three FRPs in 2027. I want one of them for Vuc.

Something like Micic, Okogie, and 2027 FRP (Miami top 14 protected) works in the trade machine. Micic/Okogie both expiring deals.

[burlydee]

Ayo's like Pat Will. Trading them now would be at the bottom of their value. I'm all for waiting on both and moving the other expirings first. Ayo's expiring, but he's the one most likely to be worth re-signing outside of maybe Coby.

Gobert is probably on the block pretty hard, though. We could probably do Vucevic/Pat Will or Vucevic/Collins for Gobert/Terrance Shannon. Gobert's not perfect, but we could do a hell of a lot worse for a starting center. Salary isn't crazy high anymore and Terrance Shannon's cheap salary offsets it. 6'6" SG from Chicago, played some at Illinois, definitely a Chicago pick.

Giddey, Jones, Carter
White, Ayo, Terry
Huerter, Okoro, Phillips
Matas, Williams, Essengue
Gobert, Smith

Essengue, Okoro or Williams work their way to the starting lineup, we could have something.

One roster spot left. Whole lots of guys who could step up and prove themselves, make some noise. Lot of flexibility.

I think the Bulls would probably need to throw in Portland pick or Ayo but i think this deal makes sense for both teams. Wolves just signed two bigs to collectively about $60 million a year. Can't also afford Gobert.

[WesPeace]

I would be among the most pissed off here if we traded Ayo, he is home kid, big energy guy, always plays hard and for the team, he is also very solid in transition fast paced game,which we will probably play a lot. His next contract wont be super expensive, so I dont see a reason to trade him.
With a lot of expirings and flexibility we can easily manouver the roster with re-signed Ayo for bench role.

[kodo]

I'm also bummed to hear Ayo is the most likely one out of Chicago and we're considering keeping Tre instead. Ayo has a lot more length on defense and he's the only Bull who can just blow by anyone in the NBA 1 on 1. I get that he's too old to rely on upside but I think he still has more ceiling. I was really impressed with Tre but his 9 starts with us or whatever were such an outlier from his career.

I feel like AK is comparing the best 9 games Tre has every played in his life with the worst 1/4 season Ayo has every played and going to go with the 6' 1" guy.

Remember when everyone was gushing about how we got this 6' 1" PG from Milwaukee with 3 years of playoff experience and shot 42% from 3? Yeah he's still on the roster collecting DNPs.