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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1861 » by CoreyVillains » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:35 pm

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I feel like this boom or bust concept assumes that the "boom" is some all-star level player. I don't see that in Miles Bridges. I really don't see much that he does better than Mikal Bridges or Wendell Carter. More athletic? Absolutely, but what else?


Exactly. And honestly, he's more athletic when jumping, but that's it as far as athleticism goes in regards to basketball ability. Miles size hurts him so much as a prospect. He isn't going to be able to bully NBA players. Teams are going to try to slot him in as a SF, when he is nowhere skilled enough to play there.


I don't see how he's nowhere skilled enough to play there.

He's a bit of a bruiser, but he's not a stiff. He has a quick rise and moves very well for his size. The short wingspan for his size (6'9) hurts, but Jimmy Butler was also a guy with a similar mold. His ability to jump could help make up for the lack of length, and he's shown to be a very good defender at the college level.

He's strong enough to defender bigger SFs, and has versatility to switch onto bigs while being able to keep up speed wise with guards.

And in his two years at MSU, has shown more passing ability than Mikal and Kevin Knox, both of which are projected as SFs.

And with a 89% FT percentage from the line this year, I'm feeling more confident that his jumper will translate in the NBA.

I think I'm liking Miles more and more as I watch more game tape on him.


He’s not skilled enough because no NBA franchise that’s well run is going to let him have the freedom to do what he does in Michigan State’s offense. His usage is going to drop big time in the NBA. For example, Denzel in his senior year had about the same usage as Miles this year, but his usage has dropped by 11% in the pros; and Denzel is way better with the ball in his hands and has better vision to boot. Miles is rarely going to have the ball in his hands at the next level bc he can’t take anyone off the dribble. Hhis vision doesn’t really mean much when he won’t have the ball. He’s going to be strictly a low usage, transition weapon at the next level. His shooting while adequate is not good enough to be your ideal 3&d wing. His form is fine but he needs to completely rework his foot positioning at the next level. I’m not convinced he’s versatile enough as a shooter to be used as anything more than a completely wide open set shooter. He turned himself into a good ft shooter but he barely gets to the line with high usage, he’s not gonna be a guy who gets to the line in the NBA.

While he has the strength, I don’t think he has the lateral quickness to keep up with perimeter guys. Watch how he moves, it’s like he has the tightest hips in the world. He has short strides and he just isn’t a guy who looks smooth while moving and running around. Against bigs he has the quickness to guard them but he doesn’t have the height or length. Stretch bigs are gonna shoot right over him. You alluded to Jimmy, but the comparison doesn’t work bc Jimmy was the right size as a 2/3. He was always going to be able to at least defend his positions. Miles is a 4/3 who is the wrong size to guard his positions. Similar to Aaron Gordon (who has better size and is more skilled), Miles is going to be at his best at the 4. I don’t the that upside there is high enough though.

He’ll be really good in transition. I think he’ll be able to beat guys back door and he’ll be able to play the baseline for easy buckets. He’ll be a decent 3pt shooter on the catch. Defenses won’t be worried but they won’t completely ignore him. He’s a starter level nba player on a bad or mediocre team, but on a good playoff team he’s a bench player.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1862 » by Mech Engineer » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:55 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:I say take Young if he is there at 9. Best player available. Sorry Dunn, but you will have to earn the job. Lauri/Young could be nice duo.


This is the problem with tanking....we gravitate towards the new kid. A year back, Portis over Taj, now Lauri over Portis and in 2 years somebody else over Lauri.

That said, I agree. These guys need competition. The great ones stand out. But, they also need a chance.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1863 » by Dan Z » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:55 pm

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I say take Young if he is there at 9. Best player available. Sorry Dunn, but you will have to earn the job. Lauri/Young could be nice duo.


This is the problem with tanking....we gravitate towards the new kid. A year back, Portis over Taj, now Lauri over Portis and in 2 years somebody else over Lauri.

That said, I agree. These guys need competition. The great ones stand out. But, they also need a chance.


Can Young and Dunn play together in the backcourt?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1864 » by Mech Engineer » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:13 pm

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I say take Young if he is there at 9. Best player available. Sorry Dunn, but you will have to earn the job. Lauri/Young could be nice duo.


This is the problem with tanking....we gravitate towards the new kid. A year back, Portis over Taj, now Lauri over Portis and in 2 years somebody else over Lauri.

That said, I agree. These guys need competition. The great ones stand out. But, they also need a chance.


Could Young and Dunn play together in the backcourt?


I think so. Dunn needs to develop a 3pt shot or finish better at the rim. A spacer like Young is valuable on the offensive end.

But, the problem with these shooting PGs is they become chuckers. I don't know how you can tell from workouts.

In college ball, they are everything and it makes sense for them to chuck sometimes.

Young looks like a dangerous pick and I am not sure how much benefit he is getting from the Steph comparisons. If he was compared to Nate Robinson or even Kemba Walker, would he be so highly valued? Once, somebody put that Curry comparison, everybody is scared to pass on him.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1865 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:02 pm

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This is the problem with tanking....we gravitate towards the new kid. A year back, Portis over Taj, now Lauri over Portis and in 2 years somebody else over Lauri.

That said, I agree. These guys need competition. The great ones stand out. But, they also need a chance.


Could Young and Dunn play together in the backcourt?


I think so. Dunn needs to develop a 3pt shot or finish better at the rim. A spacer like Young is valuable on the offensive end.

But, the problem with these shooting PGs is they become chuckers. I don't know how you can tell from workouts.

In college ball, they are everything and it makes sense for them to chuck sometimes.

Young looks like a dangerous pick and I am not sure how much benefit he is getting from the Steph comparisons. If he was compared to Nate Robinson or even Kemba Walker, would he be so highly valued? Once, somebody put that Curry comparison, everybody is scared to pass on him.


If Young is actually 6'2" his stock will be high. He looks barely 6'0" to me though.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1866 » by Benedict Miller » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:04 pm

We should try to acquire Jonathan Issac, I'd trade Bobby Portis maybe throw in Pelicans pick.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1867 » by realEAST » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:33 pm

Benedict Miller wrote:We should try to acquire Jonathan Issac, I'd trade Bobby Portis maybe throw in Pelicans pick.


It would be nice, but the best we can expect is polite "No", I am afraid.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1868 » by Chi town » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:53 pm

Bamba looks like such a project.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1869 » by Dan Z » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:11 pm

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Benedict Miller wrote:We should try to acquire Jonathan Issac, I'd trade Bobby Portis maybe throw in Pelicans pick.


It would be nice, but the best we can expect is polite "No", I am afraid.


What do you think his potential is going forward? He hasn't done much this year, but I know he was injured. Can he play SF? Is he playing that position? I don't watch many Magic games and get the impression that they play him at PF. What I don't understand is why not try him at SF with Gordon at the PF spot...?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1870 » by Dan Z » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:12 pm

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I think so. Dunn needs to develop a 3pt shot or finish better at the rim. A spacer like Young is valuable on the offensive end.

But, the problem with these shooting PGs is they become chuckers. I don't know how you can tell from workouts.

In college ball, they are everything and it makes sense for them to chuck sometimes.

Young looks like a dangerous pick and I am not sure how much benefit he is getting from the Steph comparisons. If he was compared to Nate Robinson or even Kemba Walker, would he be so highly valued? Once, somebody put that Curry comparison, everybody is scared to pass on him.


If Young turns out to be as good as Kemba then it's a good pick. If he ends up on Nate's level then spending a #9 pick isn't good value (IMO).
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1871 » by Brothaman33 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:17 pm

Chi town wrote:Bamba looks like such a project.


Yea sometimes he looks like he's made of popsicle sticks... loooooong. But he doesnt move very well. He is far from a slam dunk pick. You can easily get a Hasheem Thabeet or Saer Sene vibe from him.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1872 » by RememberLu » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:24 pm

Maybe Bamba slips to us. How do people like him as a fit with Lauri in Fred's system?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1873 » by Axolotl » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:29 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:
Dan Z wrote:Could Young and Dunn play together in the backcourt?


I think so. Dunn needs to develop a 3pt shot or finish better at the rim. A spacer like Young is valuable on the offensive end.


I've been toying with the idea of playing Young at PG and Dunn at SF. I think Dunn is versatile enough to play SF. I'm too lazy to check the stats right now, but by gut feeling Dunn's 3pt shot has improved.

Best case would be that Markkanen and LaVine are the primary scorers, Young the primary playmaker/secondary scorer, and Dunn secondary playmaker/scorer. Add a center who can make inside out passes and finish at the rim, and our offence should be set. Defensively this setup would be cringy with one (or two) +d players and two -d players, but you can't always have everything...
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1874 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:29 pm

Props to Bamba for keeping his cool, refs have been awful in the last 5 minutes. Shouldn't have fouled out.

Don't know what Shaka Smart is doing, his coaching has been bad too.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1875 » by R3AL1TY » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:34 pm

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Exactly. And honestly, he's more athletic when jumping, but that's it as far as athleticism goes in regards to basketball ability. Miles size hurts him so much as a prospect. He isn't going to be able to bully NBA players. Teams are going to try to slot him in as a SF, when he is nowhere skilled enough to play there.


I don't see how he's nowhere skilled enough to play there.

He's a bit of a bruiser, but he's not a stiff. He has a quick rise and moves very well for his size. The short wingspan for his size (6'9) hurts, but Jimmy Butler was also a guy with a similar mold. His ability to jump could help make up for the lack of length, and he's shown to be a very good defender at the college level.

He's strong enough to defender bigger SFs, and has versatility to switch onto bigs while being able to keep up speed wise with guards.

And in his two years at MSU, has shown more passing ability than Mikal and Kevin Knox, both of which are projected as SFs.

And with a 89% FT percentage from the line this year, I'm feeling more confident that his jumper will translate in the NBA.

I think I'm liking Miles more and more as I watch more game tape on him.


He’s not skilled enough because no NBA franchise that’s well run is going to let him have the freedom to do what he does in Michigan State’s offense. His usage is going to drop big time in the NBA. For example, Denzel in his senior year had about the same usage as Miles this year, but his usage has dropped by 11% in the pros; and Denzel is way better with the ball in his hands and has better vision to boot. Miles is rarely going to have the ball in his hands at the next level bc he can’t take anyone off the dribble. Hhis vision doesn’t really mean much when he won’t have the ball. He’s going to be strictly a low usage, transition weapon at the next level. His shooting while adequate is not good enough to be your ideal 3&d wing. His form is fine but he needs to completely rework his foot positioning at the next level. I’m not convinced he’s versatile enough as a shooter to be used as anything more than a completely wide open set shooter. He turned himself into a good ft shooter but he barely gets to the line with high usage, he’s not gonna be a guy who gets to the line in the NBA.

While he has the strength, I don’t think he has the lateral quickness to keep up with perimeter guys. Watch how he moves, it’s like he has the tightest hips in the world. He has short strides and he just isn’t a guy who looks smooth while moving and running around. Against bigs he has the quickness to guard them but he doesn’t have the height or length. Stretch bigs are gonna shoot right over him. You alluded to Jimmy, but the comparison doesn’t work bc Jimmy was the right size as a 2/3. He was always going to be able to at least defend his positions. Miles is a 4/3 who is the wrong size to guard his positions. Similar to Aaron Gordon (who has better size and is more skilled), Miles is going to be at his best at the 4. I don’t the that upside there is high enough though.

He’ll be really good in transition. I think he’ll be able to beat guys back door and he’ll be able to play the baseline for easy buckets. He’ll be a decent 3pt shooter on the catch. Defenses won’t be worried but they won’t completely ignore him. He’s a starter level nba player on a bad or mediocre team, but on a good playoff team he’s a bench player.

Good points...like what you stated about his usage going down in the pros and his lack of ball handling are why I think he may end up on the same level as a player like Justin Anderson or Richuan Holmes. I don't think he will be a high volume 3 point shooter either. However, I'm trying to give him benefit of the doubt.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1876 » by biggestbullsfan » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:42 pm

Donovan Mitchel was drafted #13. Dennis Smith went 9th. We can get talent if our scouting is working.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1877 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:04 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:Donovan Mitchel was drafted #13. Dennis Smith went 9th. We can get talent if our scouting is working.

Probably more to do with luck than scouting.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1878 » by kodo » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:06 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:If Young is actually 6'2" his stock will be high. He looks barely 6'0" to me though.


Collin Sexton is listed at 6' 3", for comparison.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1879 » by R3AL1TY » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:14 pm

Bamba could have easily had around 20-25 points today if his coach and team involved him in the offense more. He still had a good all-around game though.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1880 » by waffle » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:14 pm

I think Dunn and Young could play together...that is a plus in our favor. Don't think I would draft him anyhooooo

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