2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[gh123]

What troubles me is him missing bunnies and wide open shots+ his below average FT% for a guard. These unforced misses drag down his ts by a lot.

[kg01]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

[E-Balla]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

Yeah I thought he'd be ok (like a Mike Bibby with better vision) but he legitimately looks great. His passing is already great and his ability to finish inside is beautiful. In person you can see the type of passing lanes he notices that no one else does. He just needs to learn to pass normal sometimes (he never throws a chest pass) and continue to get smarter.

He's really Nash 2.0 forreal.

[E-Balla]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

Collins certainly helping. Huerter also looking very nice.

Still don't think I would've taken Young that high, but if Hurter is for real they have 3 very good prospects right now. Collins is approaching blue chipper status IMO.

Young was taken at 5th. You'd take 5 rookies over him?

[jayu70]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

[Archx]

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

Do i dare to say that Huerter was even better for his success than Collins? ... It's like Kevin took a lot of pressure from him and the way they play, Kevin a lot of times look like the best rookie in ATL. In my opinion Collins did help a lot but Huerter is the reason why Young is playing much better.

[jayu70]

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

Do i dare to say that Huerter was even better for his success than Collins? ... It's like Kevin took a lot of pressure from him and the way they play, Kevin a lot of times look like the best rookie in ATL. In my opinion Collins did help a lot but Huerter is the reason why Young is playing much better.

Say it. It's also true.
Huerter allows Young to play off ball, he can run the offense, so it's not all on Trae to generate the offense. He's a reliable shooter and can also put the ball on the floor and score or make the right pass.
Collins helps because teams have to guard Collins in the PnR rolling to the basket which leaves Trae to get in the lane and finish easier instead of getting his floater blockedThe o

The offensive burden is no longer on Trae.

[Young gun 6]

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

He has still been horrendous defensively but I think if you can get good enough guys around him you can just purely hide him on defense and let him gamble for stela’s like Curry’s role is at the Warriors just due to his lack of size and strength.

[jayu70]

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

He has still been horrendous defensively but I think if you can get good enough guys around him you can just purely hide him on defense and let him gamble for stela’s like Curry’s role is at the Warriors just due to his lack of size and strength.

True. Defense is definitely a work in progress and he may never be a plus defender, but his effort for a full 24 second clock is much improved. Earlier in the season he would get picked off then that was it, he has more fight in him now.

[Archx]

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

Do i dare to say that Huerter was even better for his success than Collins? ... It's like Kevin took a lot of pressure from him and the way they play, Kevin a lot of times look like the best rookie in ATL. In my opinion Collins did help a lot but Huerter is the reason why Young is playing much better.

Say it. It's also true.
Huerter allows Young to play off ball, he can run the offense, so it's not all on Trae to generate the offense. He's a reliable shooter and can also put the ball on the floor and score or make the right pass.
Collins helps because teams have to guard Collins in the PnR rolling to the basket which leaves Trae to get in the lane and finish easier instead of getting his floater blockedThe o

The offensive burden is no longer on Trae.

Yeah, ATL will be quite scary in a few years if they can stay together. Just the trio of Collins, Young and Huerter can do a lot of damage. Plus another 2 possible picks in the lottery.

[King Ken]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

Yeah I thought he'd be ok (like a Mike Bibby with better vision) but he legitimately looks great. His passing is already great and his ability to finish inside is beautiful. In person you can see the type of passing lanes he notices that no one else does. He just needs to learn to pass normal sometimes (he never throws a chest pass) and continue to get smarter.

He's really Nash 2.0 forreal.

I don't think he is Nash 2.0. I think he is more like Isiah Thomas. I am not sure he will shoot as good as Nash. It's possible but he has a ways to go. He is already doing Zeke things. Extremely quick and agile. Gets to the paint at will as a rookie. The obvious difference is Zeke loved the mid range, Trae loves the really long range. I don't know why people kept comparing him to Bibby. I seen Bibby, he was never really a slasher. I think people confuse Trae speed with his athletic ability. Trae has decent speed but it's not close to the better NBA PG's but his quickness and agility is as good as anyone in the league.

He has still been horrendous defensively but I think if you can get good enough guys around him you can just purely hide him on defense and let him gamble for stela’s like Curry’s role is at the Warriors just due to his lack of size and strength.

His defense is much better than it was when he first came. He gives effort, has excellent lateral quickness, and doesn't get beat off the dribble much. His issue is strength, advanced defensive concepts and ideals, off ball defense in terms of getting steals or blocks, and consistency like most rookies. His defense has TREMENDOUSLY improved since November or early December. Now he is still a WIP and still has a lot to work on defensively, but we have to compare him now to where he was in July.

He is really not a gambler on defense. He does communicate well. That's something he also does well that he never had to do at OU. Considering how far he was in SL, he is a night and day better defensive player. He improved a lot more on defense than he has on offense and that's a great sign.

[King Ken]

People were right to condemn him earlier in the season. He was pressing and playing poorly as often as he played well.

In the past few weeks though, and in conjunction with Collins' return (and Prince's absence), he's figured out how he should be playing.

My only beef is with folks still calling him trash and a bad player when it's obvious they haven't even watched him play.

The month of November was not kind to Trae. Since then, he's figured out some things on both offense and defense. Next thing to work on is TOs.

Do i dare to say that Huerter was even better for his success than Collins? ... It's like Kevin took a lot of pressure from him and the way they play, Kevin a lot of times look like the best rookie in ATL. In my opinion Collins did help a lot but Huerter is the reason why Young is playing much better.

Huerter is critical but moreso due to his ability to spread the floor and also be able to create with it in terms of playmaking that takes us to another level. Without him, we suck, with him, we are below average and that's excellent considering the phase we are in for our rebuild.

Kevin was kinda far from polished in May but man, he has improved as much as anyone on this team. He can play good D. He can shoot extremely well, not consistent but considering he is a rookie, it's great. His playmaking is his best trait to me. He really can create for such a low usage guy. Not really a shot maker or creator but can get his shot off on all levels and has the athletic ability to finish above the rim. He is like a blend of Mike Miller and Klay Thompson. His defensive ability is MUCH better than advertised. He does such an excellent job at defending with his instincts. He makes it really tough. His issues are consistency, strength, aggressiveness at times, he needs to become much better moving off of the ball. That also goes for Trae as well.

His playmaking makes up for it to a degree but if he wants to get to the next level, he is going to have to improve that. Both him and Trae need to improve their stamina. I haven't for one second looked at Kevin as the best Hawk. Without Trae ability to attack, Kevin would be required to be more of a shot maker or shot creator. That would be extremely difficult to do with the other responsibility we give him in our system. Trae is the Lambo but the others are the pieces to the Lambo. Put we are missing some pieces and the driver is extremely young so the results can vary and get scary.

Both Collins and Kevin are huge for Trae and the entire team. They are a part of our young core. We would suck with Trae. He creates a lot for us and makes it easier. A lot easier.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=3&TeamID=1610612737

[3toheadmelo]

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[Duke4life831]

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I think his days coming off the bench are done. He's going to be really good.

[Shock Defeat]

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[TheBonzaiEffect]

Luka 0-8 on 3s and had a "bad" game...yet still put up 17/7/6/2 blocks. Pretty special when a dude's bad games are those kind of numbers.

[LukaV]

Really good game from Bagley, I hope he starts from now on!

[LukaV]

Others have replied to my post about Luka's shooting. Tonight's game was another indicator why I'd really want Luka to shoot less threes (unless it's falling on a given night) and penetrate more, leveraging his 3pt shot as a threat to open up space for drives. Also, I'd love to see players such as Brunson, Finney-Smith and Kleber each shoot 2 or 3 shots more per game, and with the return od Smith Jr., there's enough quality shots to be had by other players so Luka doesn't have to shoot so many threes/long twos.

[gh123]

His problem is that he can't even finish uncontested layups when he drives. I don't know wtf is up with him. He had those games earlier in the season and in December, but he's having way too many of these games now, pretty much his every other game in January was like this. Misses all of his open 3s. I think he should keep shooting and then take a good rest during the ASB and shoot some stationary FTs and 3s.

[LukaV]

Drives per game via https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1 .

Dončić is 20th with 12.7 drives per game, with 5.2 FGA and 2.2 FGM, and a very low ToV% (6.7).

Leading the table is Harden with 19.5, followed by DeRozan (18.7), Wall and Trae Young (both 16.8). Jrue Holiday is 6th with 16.5, Booker and Dinwiddie are 11th and 12th respectively with 14.1.

I think Luka should be closer to the top in drives per game, because good things happen when he drives to the basket. I hope by the season's end he'll up his average to around 15.0 drives per game.