Official Spec Thread: Regular Season

[pepe1991]

I don't feel good about the b2b after we practiced today.

Sent from my SM-G781U using RealGM mobile app

Okey let's just point this out.

New, modern approach toward fitness makes it normal to do such things.

Soccer has most sofisticated approach toward fitness & conditioning ( mostly because players run like 6 miles per game at average speed of sprints that goes beyond 11 miles per hour ). And for them it's normal to even have late night practice AFTER a game and AFTER plane / bus arives. Like literally ,running in 3 in the morning.
Why?
Well because modern fitness suggests that players after flying & driving bus tend to have stiff legs, and doing streaching and light running actually helps them recover better than doing nothing.

So when teams practice in between back to backs, it's not type of practice where they are being runned to ground, they are doing it because it's proven to be better recovery process than doing nothing.

[drsd]

Okey let's just point this out.

New, modern approach toward fitness makes it normal to do such things.

Soccer has most sofisticated approach toward fitness & conditioning ( mostly because players run like 6 miles per game at average speed of sprints that goes beyond 11 miles per hour ). And for them it's normal to even have late night practice AFTER a game and AFTER plane / bus arives. Like literally ,running in 3 in the morning.
Why?
Well because modern fitness suggests that players after flying & driving bus tend to have stiff legs, and doing streaching and light running actually helps them recover better than doing nothing.

So when teams practice in between back to backs, it's not type of practice where they are being runned to ground, they are doing it because it's proven to be better recovery process than doing nothing.

ANd-1

This reminds me to when Jordan came back to give us his second three-peat. Reluctant at first, the trainers and conditioners started Jordan on weight training on GAME DAY. He stated it really helped him stay fresh, and that he was shocked that it worked.

The sports physio stuff is all solved. Players just need to trust that the trainers know their stuff.

[Skybox]

Okey let's just point this out.

New, modern approach toward fitness makes it normal to do such things.

Soccer has most sofisticated approach toward fitness & conditioning ( mostly because players run like 6 miles per game at average speed of sprints that goes beyond 11 miles per hour ). And for them it's normal to even have late night practice AFTER a game and AFTER plane / bus arives. Like literally ,running in 3 in the morning.
Why?
Well because modern fitness suggests that players after flying & driving bus tend to have stiff legs, and doing streaching and light running actually helps them recover better than doing nothing.

So when teams practice in between back to backs, it's not type of practice where they are being runned to ground, they are doing it because it's proven to be better recovery process than doing nothing.

ANd-1

This reminds me to when Jordan came back to give us his second three-peat. Reluctant at first, the trainers and conditioners started Jordan on weight training on GAME DAY. He stated it really helped him stay fresh, and that he was shocked that it worked.

The sports physio stuff is all solved. Players just need to trust that the trainers know their stuff.[/quote]

There’s so much more emphasis on active recovery, pre and post stretching & therapy. This is not Vince Lombardi running guys into the ground. Physiology has advanced so much…you’re expected to rehab day after Ortho surgery in most cases. Rest & recovery has been completely redefined…this is not some careless habit

[Fortune Teller]

I think a lot of people here are going to be very disappointed in the way this season plays out.

This team is really bad at offense, and management did nothing to address that during the offseason. Everyone agreed we needed to add a shooter if they didn't draft one -- which they inexplicably didn't, and reaching for Jett who can't even crack the rotation doesn't count. There was sure to be a trade to clean up the guard rotation -- and then there wasn't. Fultz was supposed to be ready to shoot 3's this season -- now he's somehow worse and/or more reluctant, and already racking up his usual pile of missed games.

In other words, nothing has changed. Unless Paolo or Franz makes a huge leap, you really wouldn't have a good argument that they will win any more games than they did last season. The defensive book on this team is already written -- let them shoot, give them 3's, pack the paint. The Nets played it to perfection last night. No one is scared of Black, Fultz, Suggs, or even Anthony. It's pointless to even mention Gary Harris because he's another investment that only intermittently takes the court, along with Fultz, WCJ, and JI (our three highest-paid players). So much salary is going into so little production and it's been that way for the past 3 years. Re-signing injury-prone guys and letting them cash fat paychecks for playing, at a max, 2/3 of the season. And that's in a healthy season.

I don't even think Welt and his crew are capable of properly building this roster. Just because they hit on the occasional draft pick (they've had many chances) doesn't mean they can build a winning team. Welt is in his 7th year as PBO and how many shooters has he added to this roster in a league where shooting is king?

Zero.

[jonbob17]

I am pretty disappointed with our start..feel like we have left a couple wins on the table and looked pretty bad a couple other times.

With that said we are 5-5 and we have been horrible shooting the ball. We are shooting 33.3% from 3, 1.3% worse than last year. TS% 55.1% vs 57.3% last year. Two percent doesn't sound like much but if you are talking about 100 possessions a game that's an extra 4 points per game last year vs this year. You can't tell me this team should be less efficient this year than last....ESPECIALLY when the Magic are ranked 3rd in the league in FT attempts.

These numbers will improve as the year wears on. The injuries aren't helping, but we've just been bad on offesne

Look at TS by player vs last year
Franz 51.9 vs 58.9
Paolo 54.8 vs 52.9
Suggs 52.1 vs 52.8
Fultz 49.3 vs 56.4
WCJ 45.9 vs 62.1
Cole 56.1 vs 57.0

Last year the median TS% of players of qualified players (played more than 1000 minutes) was 58.6%(skewed by bigs who don't take as many shots). Last year the team TS% average of the 15th ranked team was 58.3%...Think of it this way...if the Magic could get to league average as a team in efficiency, we would add approximately 6.4 points a game.

Surely we can get to mediocre.

[Skybox]

I think a lot of people here are going to be very disappointed in the way this season plays out.

This team is really bad at offense, and management did nothing to address that during the offseason. Everyone agreed we needed to add a shooter if they didn't draft one -- which they inexplicably didn't, and reaching for Jett who can't even crack the rotation doesn't count. There was sure to be a trade to clean up the guard rotation -- and then there wasn't. Fultz was supposed to be ready to shoot 3's this season -- now he's somehow worse and/or more reluctant, and already racking up his usual pile of missed games.

In other words, nothing has changed. Unless Paolo or Franz makes a huge leap, you really wouldn't have a good argument that they will win any more games than they did last season. The defensive book on this team is already written -- let them shoot, give them 3's, pack the paint. The Nets played it to perfection last night. No one is scared of Black, Fultz, Suggs, or even Anthony. It's pointless to even mention Gary Harris because he's another investment that only intermittently takes the court, along with Fultz, WCJ, and JI (our three highest-paid players). So much salary is going into so little production and it's been that way for the past 3 years. Re-signing injury-prone guys and letting them cash fat paychecks for playing, at a max, 2/3 of the season. And that's in a healthy season.

I don't even think Welt and his crew are capable of properly building this roster. Just because they hit on the occasional draft pick (they've had many chances) doesn't mean they can build a winning team. Welt is in his 7th year as PBO and how many shooters has he added to this roster in a league where shooting is king?

Zero.

Agree. Hugely disappointing summer, IMO...However, I can (once again) rationalize and convince myself that there's a vision. I really like the addition of Ingles as an influencer as well as short-term on-court contributor towards who we want to be...a positionally large, ball-moving, frontcourt-driven, non-traditional offense and a solid defense specializing on point of attack disruption. Black was also a very sensible pick for that vision and you could say Howard SHOULD add the shooting necessary to support it. Howard was, I think, the choice over Hawkins and Dick due to his size and potential for additional offensive creation (or they just felt like his quick release was superior to the others?).

But, if it's not this trade deadline or summer - I'm definitely sliding into the "Take your thumbs out of your a***s" camp regarding the FO. I'd much prefer in-season trades vs summer because I think we should trade our pick and I'd rather trade expirings than bank on signing away a FA.

[pepe1991]

I think lot of data will clear itself out.

Like, neither will Paolo shoot 39% for 3 but in same time Franz won't be 52% TS player

Fultz will return and eventually take some 3s, but on other side, Black won't shoot 60% FG.

Mortiz won't shoot 37% for 3, neither will Isaac miss 70% of all his shots.

IN all that it's kind a expected for us to be bad offensive team. It's just matter of how bad:
- top 5 worst in nba, or close to average .

Also we didn't really play many close games, we either win by lot or lose by lot.
Our margin of losses is 11, margin of wins is 14

[Skybox]

I don't care if we have the #1 defense, we might barely break .500 without offense jumping up, IMO. First round loss or tough out in the play-in. We could be the team people hate to play but usually beat by just a few points.

As Pepe said, some of our players are overdelivering and some are under and all will likely return to the mean...which is still likely below average overall without some significant tweaks or personnel changes.

[VFX]

I think a lot of people here are going to be very disappointed in the way this season plays out.

This team is really bad at offense, and management did nothing to address that during the offseason. Everyone agreed we needed to add a shooter if they didn't draft one -- which they inexplicably didn't, and reaching for Jett who can't even crack the rotation doesn't count. There was sure to be a trade to clean up the guard rotation -- and then there wasn't. Fultz was supposed to be ready to shoot 3's this season -- now he's somehow worse and/or more reluctant, and already racking up his usual pile of missed games.

In other words, nothing has changed. Unless Paolo or Franz makes a huge leap, you really wouldn't have a good argument that they will win any more games than they did last season. The defensive book on this team is already written -- let them shoot, give them 3's, pack the paint. The Nets played it to perfection last night. No one is scared of Black, Fultz, Suggs, or even Anthony. It's pointless to even mention Gary Harris because he's another investment that only intermittently takes the court, along with Fultz, WCJ, and JI (our three highest-paid players). So much salary is going into so little production and it's been that way for the past 3 years. Re-signing injury-prone guys and letting them cash fat paychecks for playing, at a max, 2/3 of the season. And that's in a healthy season.

I don't even think Welt and his crew are capable of properly building this roster. Just because they hit on the occasional draft pick (they've had many chances) doesn't mean they can build a winning team. Welt is in his 7th year as PBO and how many shooters has he added to this roster in a league where shooting is king?

Zero.

Agree. Hugely disappointing summer, IMO...However, I can (once again) rationalize and convince myself that there's a vision. I really like the addition of Ingles as an influencer as well as short-term on-court contributor towards who we want to be...a positionally large, ball-moving, frontcourt-driven, non-traditional offense and a solid defense specializing on point of attack disruption. Black was also a very sensible pick for that vision and you could say Howard SHOULD add the shooting necessary to support it. Howard was, I think, the choice over Hawkins and Dick due to his size and potential for additional offensive creation (or they just felt like his quick release was superior to the others?).

But, if it's not this trade deadline or summer - I'm definitely sliding into the "Take your thumbs out of your a***s" camp regarding the FO. I'd much prefer in-season trades vs summer because I think we should trade our pick and I'd rather trade expirings than bank on signing away a FA.

This was what everyone talked about in the off-season.
Consolidation of assets to make sense of a glaring issue with the rotation coupled with draft prospects.

I agree that this years pick has to be traded along with other pieces to make sense of this roster. They whiffed on making a real move before the deadline last season and it has been painfully obvious.

I knew it then and I still know I was right. They should have traded Fultz in December/January of last season, when things were off the rails, for a veteran point guard that can shoot. The same could be said for Okeke and Gary Harris. Come up with any combination of possibilities you want. And no, I wouldn’t call Gary a savvy vet that has winning experience to take dudes under his wing.

That cap space should have been used on vet shooters and a point guard. Joe Ingles is fine, but he serves as a guy coming in for Franz mainly in limited minutes. They did 1/4 of the job and put the core guys in a tough spot while again, punting decisions and losing value (something they thrive at).

To be honest I’m not really surprised at the results. I should know based on the track record of the front office by now. I expected a better W-L record with some growing pains. However, I’ll probably dial back my enthusiasm now and overall care about the results simply due to witnessing the monstrosity that is this offense. (Or whatever you want to call it) I’ll revisit this team with optimism when they start making decisions that real organizations make.

[pinoynurse]

i really like mosely, i think he can be a good coach, but if were talking about preference, my god would i love have an offensive minded coach for once. skiles, clifford, vogel now mosely. all defensive coaches. Thing is, if the offense is anemic then players get frustrated and it affects their defense. So then you become good at nothing. I understand that our poor offense has been due to our poor shooting player personnel also, but man, i see what the Pacers are doing and wish we could have that kind of fluidity with the ball.

[Cammo101]

The Magic made a big mistake not consolidating assets and making a run at a star. There is such a thing as too much youth, and you have to make hard decisions on who is and is not part of your core. This desire to hang on to every young player will cause us to plateau. Hopefully the front office figures this out soon, while it is still possible to move some of these guys on rookie contracts.

[eyriq]

Read on Twitter

?t=I7wAmezO90Yf3nLhg3owpg&s=19

[SOUL]

The Magic made a big mistake not consolidating assets and making a run at a star. There is such a thing as too much youth, and you have to make hard decisions on who is and is not part of your core. This desire to hang on to every young player will cause us to plateau. Hopefully the front office figures this out soon, while it is still possible to move some of these guys on rookie contracts.

Big mistake is overreacting, or else we could say the same for every young team that hasn't moved assets for a bigger name.. which has basically been most young teams besides the Cavs. They absolutely need to make a move in the next year, they'll have a lot of cap space potentially to do so. Big names want out every year so there are a lot of chances, just gotta be smart about who to go for.

[basketballRob]

Getting a big name worked for the Clippers, Bucks, and Suns.

Sent from my SM-G781U using RealGM mobile app

[Bensational]

We’re 10 games into the season and .500 whilst missing 3 guys from the rotation with an average age of 21 or something stupid. Get a bloody grip. We haven’t missed any chances.

[RookieStar]

We’re 10 games into the season and .500 whilst missing 3 guys from the rotation with an average age of 21 or something stupid. Get a bloody grip. We haven’t missed any chances.

Yup. Am i missing something here? This is less than 15 games... i thought we were in game 60 or something.

Unless we are thr 96 bulls, we will lose by game winning shots and we will win by game winning shots. We will lose by a comeback from the other teams and we will win by a big comeback as well.

The most optimistic of us predicted a .500 or slightly above .500 winning record amd so far we are on pace for that.

Stop with all the " end is near " doomsayings.

[CZ Eddie]

Looks like the Bulls may be blowing things up.
What's the status on the next pick they owe us?
Was it a second rounder? I can't remember.

[RookieStar]

Looks like the Bulls may be blowing things up.
What's the status on the next pick they owe us?
Was it a second rounder? I can't remember.

After what happened, would the bulls even wanna trade with us?

[eyriq]

Hearing Fultz is out for Friday's game

[Bergmaniac]

Looks like the Bulls may be blowing things up.
What's the status on the next pick they owe us?
Was it a second rounder? I can't remember.

They don't owe us any picks IIRC, we already used the two we got from the Vucevic trade.