And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd

nabbs · Post #1881 » by **nabbs** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:10 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:What's the word on Josh Hart? Looks like a good 3nD guy

Flat out winner and will be a great role player in the league imo. They are not exactly the same but he is this year's Brogdon.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1882 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:52 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:For now my board is

1. OG
2. Jackson (UNC)
3. Giles
4. Semi
5. Jonah Bolden

1. Hamidou Diallo
2. Sindarius Thornwell
3. Rodion Kurucs
4. Bam Adebayo
5. Wesley Iwundu

Ell Curry · Post #1883 » by **Ell Curry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:42 pm

McGregFan wrote:Am i the only one that sees nothing special in robinson? He has good length and a decent shot but his numbers were pretty meh for a senior

He was on a really egalitarian offence and a deep team, so I think the idea is that he could be a good defensive 3 against longer forwards who can also hit the 3 on O and maybe he'll develop a bit more of a driving game in time. His assist numbers are awful but if we're looking for wing/forward types he can probably survive as a 5th option without being a good passer. If you assume the team going forward for the next couple of years is Lowry-Derozan-Wright-Powell-Carroll-Siakam-JV-Poeltl and whichever 1 or 2 of Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker get brought back, the shakiest wheel there is at forward.

I thought he looked good on D in the tournament, but not special, necessarily. If his shooting is for real and we think he can put on the bit of strength/weight he will need to, despite being 22 already, I could see him being the pick based on us having tax issues and so badly needing a contributor at forward for cheap with the pick.

15Years · Post #1884 » by **15Years** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:51 pm

We're probably going to end up trading the pick for paul george so it doesn't matter anyways.

CoachJReturns · Post #1885 » by **CoachJReturns** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:02 am

Ell Curry wrote:
McGregFan wrote:Am i the only one that sees nothing special in robinson? He has good length and a decent shot but his numbers were pretty meh for a senior

He was on a really egalitarian offence and a deep team, so I think the idea is that he could be a good defensive 3 against longer forwards who can also hit the 3 on O and maybe he'll develop a bit more of a driving game in time. His assist numbers are awful but if we're looking for wing/forward types he can probably survive as a 5th option without being a good passer. If you assume the team going forward for the next couple of years is Lowry-Derozan-Wright-Powell-Carroll-Siakam-JV-Poeltl and whichever 1 or 2 of Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker get brought back, the shakiest wheel there is at forward.

I thought he looked good on D in the tournament, but not special, necessarily. If his shooting is for real and we think he can put on the bit of strength/weight he will need to, despite being 22 already, I could see him being the pick based on us having tax issues and so badly needing a contributor at forward for cheap with the pick.

There's definitely a hole at small forward. Only position we don't have a prospect at who's played minutes with the club. Even if Bruno turned a corner and looked like he could play dome minutes, there would still be room for another taller wing given hat both Carroll and Tucker are older players.

MavCarter · Post #1886 » by **MavCarter** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:57 am

Does anyone know what kind of player diallo is? All i can find is high school dunking mixtapes lol

RaptorsLife · Post #1887 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:59 am

McGregFan wrote:Does anyone know what kind of player diallo is? All i can find is high school dunking mixtapes lol

Nbadraftroom comparison for him was smaller derozan lol

HeadtopChunes · Post #1888 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:00 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:For now my board is

1. OG
2. Jackson (UNC)
3. Giles
4. Semi
5. Jonah Bolden

1. Hamidou Diallo
2. Sindarius Thornwell
3. Rodion Kurucs
4. Bam Adebayo
5. Wesley Iwundu

What is the ceiling for Kurucs?

Ell Curry · Post #1889 » by **Ell Curry** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:05 am

CoachJReturns wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
McGregFan wrote:Am i the only one that sees nothing special in robinson? He has good length and a decent shot but his numbers were pretty meh for a senior

He was on a really egalitarian offence and a deep team, so I think the idea is that he could be a good defensive 3 against longer forwards who can also hit the 3 on O and maybe he'll develop a bit more of a driving game in time. His assist numbers are awful but if we're looking for wing/forward types he can probably survive as a 5th option without being a good passer. If you assume the team going forward for the next couple of years is Lowry-Derozan-Wright-Powell-Carroll-Siakam-JV-Poeltl and whichever 1 or 2 of Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker get brought back, the shakiest wheel there is at forward.

I thought he looked good on D in the tournament, but not special, necessarily. If his shooting is for real and we think he can put on the bit of strength/weight he will need to, despite being 22 already, I could see him being the pick based on us having tax issues and so badly needing a contributor at forward for cheap with the pick.

There's definitely a hole at small forward. Only position we don't have a prospect at who's played minutes with the club. Even if Bruno turned a corner and looked like he could play dome minutes, there would still be room for another taller wing given hat both Carroll and Tucker are older players.

Yeah. You have to assume that if Lowry comes back we've got Lowry, DeRozan, Powell and Wright to cover all the guard minutes, some of the 3 (Powell) and then JV and Poeltl are big 5s, so then it's a question of who we resign, but basically any combination of Ibaka, Tucker, Patterson or Carroll staying allows for a forward who can space the floor to get decent minutes.

Seems like that list is:

Justin Jackson, Anunoby, Devin Robinson, Lydon, Kurucs, Ferguson, Motley, Iwundu, Ojeleye, Oliver, Blossomgame, and Bolden would be the names we've gotta be looking at.

Tortiglioni · Post #1890 » by **Tortiglioni** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:18 am

I probably wouldn't even take Devin Robinson at 50.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1891 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:48 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:For now my board is

1. OG
2. Jackson (UNC)
3. Giles
4. Semi
5. Jonah Bolden

1. Hamidou Diallo
2. Sindarius Thornwell
3. Rodion Kurucs
4. Bam Adebayo
5. Wesley Iwundu

What is the ceiling for Kurucs?

Not Hayward... damn.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1892 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:08 am

Ell Curry wrote:
CoachJReturns wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
He was on a really egalitarian offence and a deep team, so I think the idea is that he could be a good defensive 3 against longer forwards who can also hit the 3 on O and maybe he'll develop a bit more of a driving game in time. His assist numbers are awful but if we're looking for wing/forward types he can probably survive as a 5th option without being a good passer. If you assume the team going forward for the next couple of years is Lowry-Derozan-Wright-Powell-Carroll-Siakam-JV-Poeltl and whichever 1 or 2 of Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker get brought back, the shakiest wheel there is at forward.

I thought he looked good on D in the tournament, but not special, necessarily. If his shooting is for real and we think he can put on the bit of strength/weight he will need to, despite being 22 already, I could see him being the pick based on us having tax issues and so badly needing a contributor at forward for cheap with the pick.

There's definitely a hole at small forward. Only position we don't have a prospect at who's played minutes with the club. Even if Bruno turned a corner and looked like he could play dome minutes, there would still be room for another taller wing given hat both Carroll and Tucker are older players.

Yeah. You have to assume that if Lowry comes back we've got Lowry, DeRozan, Powell and Wright to cover all the guard minutes, some of the 3 (Powell) and then JV and Poeltl are big 5s, so then it's a question of who we resign, but basically any combination of Ibaka, Tucker, Patterson or Carroll staying allows for a forward who can space the floor to get decent minutes.

Seems like that list is:

Justin Jackson, Anunoby, Devin Robinson, Lydon, Kurucs, Ferguson, Motley, Iwundu, Ojeleye, Oliver, Blossomgame, and Bolden would be the names we've gotta be looking at.

BPA. Since there are few point guards in our range and we have four of them then no need to suffer that spot. All other bets are off in terms of positional needs. The very best player for the remaining four positions is the way we should go.

Saciid11 · Post #1893 » by **Saciid11** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:39 pm

With the #23 you hope somebody falls and I think some of these prospects might fall down to us ..

1. Bam Adeboya..Big man with tones of potential at both ends .. Athletic version of Emeka Okafor

2. Harry Giles..injury concerns, but skill wise he could end end being one of the best prospects in the draft ...

3.Jawun Evans ... underrated point guard who could end up being solid nba starter

4.Hamadio Diallo .. if he stays in school, he is top 5 pick next year ..right now he is steal at 23

5. Justin Jackson... Good role player who is nba ready ... at worst case you get a solid bench player at #23.. safe pick

Post #1894 » by **The Duke** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:51 pm

Clips out yay

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1895 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:57 pm

Saciid11 wrote:With the #23 you hope somebody falls and I think some of these prospects might fall down to us ..

1. Bam Adeboya..Big man with tones of potential at both ends .. Athletic version of Emeka Okafor

2. Harry Giles..injury concerns, but skill wise he could end end being one of the best prospects in the draft ...

3.Jawun Evans ... underrated point guard who could end up being solid nba starter

4.Hamadio Diallo .. if he stays in school, he is top 5 pick next year ..right now he is steal at 23

5. Justin Jackson... Good role player who is nba ready ... at worst case you get a solid bench player at #23.. safe pick

Like 1.,3 and 4. I think Kurucs will be a point forward Kyle Singler but with more offence, ball handling and you can stash him. I thinkThornwell is first round material.

super_balls · Post #1896 » by **super_balls** » Mon May 1, 2017 1:00 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:With the #23 you hope somebody falls and I think some of these prospects might fall down to us ..

1. Bam Adeboya..Big man with tones of potential at both ends .. Athletic version of Emeka Okafor

2. Harry Giles..injury concerns, but skill wise he could end end being one of the best prospects in the draft ...

3.Jawun Evans ... underrated point guard who could end up being solid nba starter

4.Hamadio Diallo .. if he stays in school, he is top 5 pick next year ..right now he is steal at 23

5. Justin Jackson... Good role player who is nba ready ... at worst case you get a solid bench player at #23.. safe pick

Like 1.,3 and 4. I think Kurucs will be a point forward Kyle Singler but with more offence, ball handling and you can stash him. I thinkThornwell is first round material.

I'm gonna go with -

1. Dillo - Gotta go with a super high potential kid, develop him in the 905 - possible star potential
2. Thornwell - strong guard, gamer (if Powell starts at the 3 next year, this kid could be a solid 2guard prospect to have, he's a winner)
3. Iwundu - Big, long guard (I like a guy that can handle the ball and playmake - seems like a good passer. Showed in the 1st round how having a 3rd creator on the court)
4. Jonah Bolden - solid 3/4 prospect (athleticism, shooting and length)
5. Bam - perfect energy big for today's NBA (block shots, set screens and catch lobs .. I think his game can translate better in the NBA, plus his shot ain't broke like Dwight/Jordan)

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1897 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Mon May 1, 2017 11:37 am

super_balls wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:With the #23 you hope somebody falls and I think some of these prospects might fall down to us ..

1. Bam Adeboya..Big man with tones of potential at both ends .. Athletic version of Emeka Okafor

2. Harry Giles..injury concerns, but skill wise he could end end being one of the best prospects in the draft ...

3.Jawun Evans ... underrated point guard who could end up being solid nba starter

4.Hamadio Diallo .. if he stays in school, he is top 5 pick next year ..right now he is steal at 23

5. Justin Jackson... Good role player who is nba ready ... at worst case you get a solid bench player at #23.. safe pick

Like 1.,3 and 4. I think Kurucs will be a point forward Kyle Singler but with more offence, ball handling and you can stash him. I thinkThornwell is first round material.

I'm gonna go with -

1. Dillo - Gotta go with a super high potential kid, develop him in the 905 - possible star potential
2. Thornwell - strong guard, gamer (if Powell starts at the 3 next year, this kid could be a solid 2guard prospect to have, he's a winner)
3. Iwundu - Big, long guard (I like a guy that can handle the ball and playmake - seems like a good passer. Showed in the 1st round how having a 3rd creator on the court)
4. Jonah Bolden - solid 3/4 prospect (athleticism, shooting and length)
5. Bam - perfect energy big for today's NBA (block shots, set screens and catch lobs .. I think his game can translate better in the NBA, plus his shot ain't broke like Dwight/Jordan)

Pretty much agree here. Nice mix of serious upside - Dillo, going senior safe with Norm II - Sindarius and BPA. No point in drafting if you do not go BPA. I think Bam is a great pick and ditto Iwundu. Going to be hard to land Diallo because he'll look for a promise and there may be reservations from teams who didn't like his self appointed dressed/red shirt status for half a season. He pretty much chose not to play to keep his stock up but played understudy in case he comes back to Kentucky which is the more likely scenario. Maybe the Bucks will promise him since they have taken fliers on Giannis and Thon.

Psubs · Post #1898 » by **Psubs** » Mon May 1, 2017 12:04 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
super_balls wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Like 1.,3 and 4. I think Kurucs will be a point forward Kyle Singler but with more offence, ball handling and you can stash him. I thinkThornwell is first round material.

I'm gonna go with -

1. Dillo - Gotta go with a super high potential kid, develop him in the 905 - possible star potential
2. Thornwell - strong guard, gamer (if Powell starts at the 3 next year, this kid could be a solid 2guard prospect to have, he's a winner)
3. Iwundu - Big, long guard (I like a guy that can handle the ball and playmake - seems like a good passer. Showed in the 1st round how having a 3rd creator on the court)
4. Jonah Bolden - solid 3/4 prospect (athleticism, shooting and length)
5. Bam - perfect energy big for today's NBA (block shots, set screens and catch lobs .. I think his game can translate better in the NBA, plus his shot ain't broke like Dwight/Jordan)

Pretty much agree here. Nice mix of serious upside - Dillo, going senior safe with Norm II - Sindarius and BPA. No point in drafting if you do not go BPA. I think Bam is a great pick and ditto Iwundu. Going to be hard to land Diallo because he'll look for a promise and there may be reservations from teams who didn't like his self appointed dressed/red shirt status for half a season. He pretty much chose not to play to keep his stock up but played understudy in case he comes back to Kentucky which is the more likely scenario. Maybe the Bucks will promise him since they have taken fliers on Giannis and Thon.

Didn't Thon Maker make similar choice to avoid college basketball?

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1899 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon May 1, 2017 5:27 pm

Psubs wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
super_balls wrote:
I'm gonna go with -

1. Dillo - Gotta go with a super high potential kid, develop him in the 905 - possible star potential
2. Thornwell - strong guard, gamer (if Powell starts at the 3 next year, this kid could be a solid 2guard prospect to have, he's a winner)
3. Iwundu - Big, long guard (I like a guy that can handle the ball and playmake - seems like a good passer. Showed in the 1st round how having a 3rd creator on the court)
4. Jonah Bolden - solid 3/4 prospect (athleticism, shooting and length)
5. Bam - perfect energy big for today's NBA (block shots, set screens and catch lobs .. I think his game can translate better in the NBA, plus his shot ain't broke like Dwight/Jordan)

Pretty much agree here. Nice mix of serious upside - Dillo, going senior safe with Norm II - Sindarius and BPA. No point in drafting if you do not go BPA. I think Bam is a great pick and ditto Iwundu. Going to be hard to land Diallo because he'll look for a promise and there may be reservations from teams who didn't like his self appointed dressed/red shirt status for half a season. He pretty much chose not to play to keep his stock up but played understudy in case he comes back to Kentucky which is the more likely scenario. Maybe the Bucks will promise him since they have taken fliers on Giannis and Thon.

Didn't Thon Maker make similar choice to avoid college basketball?

He did, and the majority of people on this board took a huge dump all over us who would have drafted him at 9. In the end, I'm happy with Jakob and I was happy with the pick at that time, but it doesn't change the fact that Maker was way too overlooked because people will believe anything they read. Milwaukee stepped up and picked a guy who produced for them in the playoffs against a top ranked conference opponent, year 1.

Diallo is a bit different because he showed great athletic ability, but not too much skills to go with it yet. That's fine though, the kid is a high school senior. If he works on his game he'll be special. He reminds me a lot of a guy like Iman Shumpert as is, but if you add a jumper to his game he projects more as a younger Norman Powell.

Ell Curry · Post #1900 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon May 1, 2017 5:36 pm

If JV can't stay on the court against Cleveland because he gets killed in the Pick and Roll, I wonder if Masai will consider trying to trade him and our pick to move up to the low teens and grab one of Allen/Collins if he thinks that they could play big minutes in year 2, and next year we just roll with Poeltl, Bebe and Ibaka (easier to resign if JV's 14M is off the books) at the 5.