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Who would you take at 3 if Ayton/Doncic gone?

Bamba
9
13%
Bagley
11
16%
Jackson
9
13%
Porter
25
36%
Young
16
23%
 
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1881 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:20 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:I only caught the start of the UofA story and the Ayton/$100k connection but can someone give me a quick summary of what this new twist in the story is about??


There are a lot of unknowns still and questions, but the gist is that a guy wrote a story about what is on fbi wiretaps but he obviously never heard them or saw a transcript of them because they are sealed. And everyone just initially believed him and people on espn college basketball on tv were all saying he should be fired, Ayton shouldn't play, AZ shouldn't play in the tourney, etc.

Emmert (NCAA president) came out the next day and said "We will let AZ do what they think is right, and you guy can decide for yourself if that ESPN report is credible....because we know none of that information came from the FBI".

Later it was mentioned that the only people who have access to the wiretaps are the FBI, and criminals previously charged (and their attorneys...and the prosecutors in any upcoming trial). So basically the source for the espn reporter was very likely one of the criminals charged or his attorney.

Also, the story said he was caught on the wiretap arranging payment to Ayton to secure him, yet the wiretaps were in place from June-Sept 17 and Ayton signed in fall of 16.

The Yahoo reporters who had a long detailed report with actual evidence and ledgers that some of the people working for the agents said...tons of players named (Wendell Carter, Josh Jackson even) said they never saw anything about Ayton and Miller and they had a lot of information.

There is no way for anyone to prove Miller knew or did anything or Ayton was involved in anything unless they get charged by authorities. ESPN has kind of gone silent.

I have posted some of the information I have come across here. viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1672946#p63762341

Thanks for the summary bw. It's really poor journalism without verifying the validity of your sources. Definitely seems like they had a story and ran with it
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1882 » by kennydorglas » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:38 am

Several scouts at the Missouri game to watch MPJr.
But they got the JONTAY's show instead.

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Post#1883 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:02 am

Trae Young having a nightmare I'm not sure he's a lock for top 7.
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Post#1884 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:10 am

Trae is definitely a top 7 lock. I don't think he's in the top 3 though.
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Post#1885 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:47 am

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Pretty ballsy in my book to put JJJ/Porter/Young ABOVE Ayton


Well, they still have him in the same tier, so I suppose would take him above the others if they wanted an offensive interior scoring and rebounding center.

They may view him a bit like a little better version of Okafor.
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1886 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:59 am

Trae Young in his past 13 games is shooting 39% FG with 6 TOs.

Tonight 7 of 20 FG and 8 turnovers.
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Post#1888 » by jredsaz » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:27 am

Wendell Carter reminds me a lot of Myles Turner. May actually like him more than Bagley.
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Post#1889 » by ATTL » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:57 pm

I don't get the shareef hype. Last i saw he was a 6'8" power forward that wasn't impressive in the video I've seen. If he wasn't shaqs son he wouldn't be getting attention.
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Post#1890 » by Djedefre » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:56 pm

I’m beginning to doubt Gafford will last to MIA pick
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Post#1891 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:36 pm

Djedefre wrote:I’m beginning to doubt Gafford will last to MIA pick


Yeah, not if he keeps putting up 21, 10 and 7 blocks. A couple of assists too. The good thing is that centers are less valuable and the C class is very deep. Wings are higher in demand these days and a bunch of them also between 8-15.
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Post#1892 » by kennydorglas » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:19 pm

ATTL wrote:I don't get the shareef hype. Last i saw he was a 6'8" power forward that wasn't impressive in the video I've seen. If he wasn't shaqs son he wouldn't be getting attention.


Scouts are banking that he's not done growing yet.
I'm not impressed too and he really did nothing on EYBL circuit.

Hard to gauge his potential, especially if he has Shaq's dubious work ethic.
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Re: Part 7... Off-season speculation and predictions? 

Post#1893 » by Kerrsed » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:39 pm

If the Wildcats make the stupid mistake of letting Miller go, who else would be interested in him as head coach?

He has a 75% win rate between his coaching gigs at both Xavier and Arizona. Still somewhat young, very fiery.....could be interesting!
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Post#1894 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm

Miller should not be the head coach. His biggest advantage in college was recruiting, and I'd argue that while he has been quite good, he has underachieved relative to the talent at his disposal. Not a fan of college coaches at all unless they win more with less because in the NBA the cap limits any recruiting-based advantage. Also a reason I'm not a fan of Calipari in the NBA either.

Rumors are we are going after Fizdale, and that Walton may end up out in LA. I would prefer both to Miller for an NBA role.
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Post#1895 » by Kerrsed » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:48 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Miller should not be the head coach. His biggest advantage in college was recruiting, and I'd argue that while he has been quite good, he has underachieved relative to the talent at his disposal. Not a fan of college coaches at all unless they win more with less because in the NBA the cap limits any recruiting-based advantage. Also a reason I'm not a fan of Calipari in the NBA either.

Rumors are we are going after Fizdale, and that Walton may end up out in LA. I would prefer both to Miller for an NBA role.


Really?

Can you name the top recruits he brought to Arizona and Xavier, because im drawing a huge blank on any of them besides Ayton, Gordon, and Stanley Johnson.

Anyway, he is the "Updated List":

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2017/10/23/phoenix-suns-coach-candidates-steve-nash-dan-majerle-sean-miller-z/791255001/
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Re: Part 7... Off-season speculation and predictions? 

Post#1896 » by kennydorglas » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:32 pm

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AtheJ415 wrote:Miller should not be the head coach. His biggest advantage in college was recruiting, and I'd argue that while he has been quite good, he has underachieved relative to the talent at his disposal. Not a fan of college coaches at all unless they win more with less because in the NBA the cap limits any recruiting-based advantage. Also a reason I'm not a fan of Calipari in the NBA either.

Rumors are we are going after Fizdale, and that Walton may end up out in LA. I would prefer both to Miller for an NBA role.


Really?

Can you name the top recruits he brought to Arizona and Xavier, because im drawing a huge blank on any of them besides Ayton, Gordon, and Stanley Johnson.

Anyway, he is the "Updated List":

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2017/10/23/phoenix-suns-coach-candidates-steve-nash-dan-majerle-sean-miller-z/791255001/


Miller brought a lot of talent to Arizona. It's really fair to assume he underachieved.
Pretty much 2 top 20 guys in every recruiting class and Lauri doesnt even count because he was a really late commit.
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Re: Part 7... Off-season speculation and predictions? 

Post#1897 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:46 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:Really?

Can you name the top recruits he brought to Arizona and Xavier, because im drawing a huge blank on any of them besides Ayton, Gordon, and Stanley Johnson.

Anyway, he is the "Updated List":

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2017/10/23/phoenix-suns-coach-candidates-steve-nash-dan-majerle-sean-miller-z/791255001/


Miller brought a lot of talent to Arizona. It's really fair to assume he underachieved.
Pretty much 2 top 20 guys in every recruiting class and Lauri doesnt even count because he was a really late commit.


I don't think he really underachieved. He knocked out top seeded Duke when they were a 5 seed (crushed them) and barely lost to eventual champion in the elite eight. This was early when he didn't have top recruits...his best player was Derrick Williams who I don't think was a top tier recruit....and I think he was missing a key player on that team...

And while he has had top tier talent, it hasn't been on the level of the very top tier schools....maybe fringe top 10 and got to the elite eight two more times losing to two seeded Wisconsin in OT one year, and again the next year when Wisconsin was a 1 seed who then knocked off undefeated Kentucky.

Not that I want him as the coach of the Suns.
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Re: Part 7... Off-season speculation and predictions? 

Post#1898 » by kennydorglas » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:20 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:Really?

Can you name the top recruits he brought to Arizona and Xavier, because im drawing a huge blank on any of them besides Ayton, Gordon, and Stanley Johnson.

Anyway, he is the "Updated List":

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2017/10/23/phoenix-suns-coach-candidates-steve-nash-dan-majerle-sean-miller-z/791255001/


Miller brought a lot of talent to Arizona. It's really fair to assume he underachieved.
Pretty much 2 top 20 guys in every recruiting class and Lauri doesnt even count because he was a really late commit.


I don't think he really underachieved. He knocked out top seeded Duke when they were a 5 seed (crushed them) and barely lost to eventual champion in the elite eight. This was early when he didn't have top recruits...his best player was Derrick Williams who I don't think was a top tier recruit....and I think he was missing a key player on that team...

And while he has had top tier talent, it hasn't been on the level of the very top tier schools....maybe fringe top 10 and got to the elite eight two more times losing to two seeded Wisconsin in OT one year, and again the next year when Wisconsin was a 1 seed who then knocked off undefeated Kentucky.

Not that I want him as the coach of the Suns.


2017 = -7.5 favorite against Xavier
2016 = neutral against Wichita St.
2015 = -1.5 favorite against Wisconsin
2014 = -3.5 favorite against Wisconsin again
2013 = +3.5 underdog against Ohio St.
2011 = +3.5 underdog against uConn

Miller just got outcoached since 2014. No shame at all in losing to superior teams.
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Re: Part 7... Off-season speculation and predictions? 

Post#1899 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:39 pm

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Miller brought a lot of talent to Arizona. It's really fair to assume he underachieved.
Pretty much 2 top 20 guys in every recruiting class and Lauri doesnt even count because he was a really late commit.


I don't think he really underachieved. He knocked out top seeded Duke when they were a 5 seed (crushed them) and barely lost to eventual champion in the elite eight. This was early when he didn't have top recruits...his best player was Derrick Williams who I don't think was a top tier recruit....and I think he was missing a key player on that team...

And while he has had top tier talent, it hasn't been on the level of the very top tier schools....maybe fringe top 10 and got to the elite eight two more times losing to two seeded Wisconsin in OT one year, and again the next year when Wisconsin was a 1 seed who then knocked off undefeated Kentucky.

Not that I want him as the coach of the Suns.


2017 = -7.5 favorite against Xavier
2016 = neutral against Wichita St.
2015 = -1.5 favorite against Wisconsin
2014 = -3.5 favorite against Wisconsin again
2013 = +3.5 underdog against Ohio St.
2011 = +3.5 underdog against uConn

Miller just got outcoached since 2014. No shame at all in losing to superior teams.


Though spreads are to try to get even money on both sides more than a prediction of who is better. Vegas likely gets FAR more people from AZ betting on them with even odds so they likely kick AZ up a couple points against a team like Wisconsin.

Though 14-16 all of those spreads are negligible, and both games were close, one in OT. I think Xavier is the only real upset.

Plus, I don't know if you watched those Wisconsin games but the second year they shot insanely from 3...67% (12-18), and not for a lack of defense..Dekker went crazy going 5-6. The first game Kaminsky went crazy and TJ McConnell and Aaron Gordon went a combined 5-21.

Their previous legendary coach, Lute Olson, got upset in early rounds quite often...some major upsets.

The Duke coach has had far bigger upsets...out in the first round to 15 seeded Lehigh and 14 seeded Mercer in 2012 and 2014 as a 2 and 3 seed and out in the second round to 7th seeded South Carolina last year as a 2 seed.

Jay Wright and Villanova out 6 times in the last 7 years in the first or second round and a 3 seed or higher 5 of those years.

The NCAA tourney is a bloodbath because it comes down to one game every time. Sean Miller has impressed me because even in the games he loses he has usually always been right in every game. Xavier was the worst loss and it was only by 2 points to his previous school and old assistant who knew him well.
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1900 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:06 pm

Another UA player (Nick Johnson):

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• Unlike the many you’ve recruited/coached, my relationship with you is different. It has been from the beginning. April 6th, 2009, I was rounding out my sophomore year in high school. You had just been named the head coach at Arizona. That same day you drove from Tucson to Gilbert to come watch open gym. You told me that I was going to be “YOUR GUY”. For the next 3 years of my life Archie, Book, Coach Whit, and yourself proceeded to come to every one of my games. AAU and High school. No matter when no matter where. I could have gone to any school in the country. But not one of them had a fraction of the belief that you showed in me.

• Almost a decade has gone by and you remain one of my biggest mentors. Challenging me in more ways than you know. Helping mold me into the man I am today and the man I strive to be tomorrow.

• Literally from day 1 you believed in me! And that is why I have faith in you! You are MY GUY and my support for you and the staff will never waiver. I am a WILDCAT FOR LIFE! #Beardown #ItsStillMillerTime


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tjmcconnellI will never turn my back on you. EVER! You are one of the best coaches I've ever had and easily the best person I've ever come in contact with! You have literally changed my life for the better and I'm truly grateful for you everyday. I would not be where I'm at today career wise and especially wouldn't be the person I am today without you. You have been like a second father to me and I love you to death for that coach. I could go on forever about how good of a coach and person you are and I KNOW so many others feel the same. You taught me to keep my head up and persevere and I want you to do the same! Love you my man.
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