OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Ccwatercraft]

government accountability office said today that the trump administration delivered stimulus payments to around a million dead people. to be fair, that's less than 1% of the people who were supposed to get it. it was probably inevitable to some degree

Has everyone received their stimulus payment? I never got my stimulus payment nor did I get one when Obama issued them as well. When I go to the IRS website, they say this:



I'm definitely eligible so that isn't the case. My wife also never got any form of payment. Not sure why that is, maybe because I'm overseas but it's not a big deal. I would just donate the money anyway as I have never asked the government ever for any form of income.

I used to get the same response on the IRS website, but I tried this and it worked.

Read on Twitter

I hope that helps.

That doesn't surprise me, our local property appraiser website is exactly like that as well, picky as hell, if its not perfect according to their search criteria, you get a Property not found notification. I learned that a long time ago when searching for homes and wanted to see details on properties and kept getting error messages until I figured out the issue.

People assume that since google is a smart search engine that other websites are smart as well, that is not the case.

Edit, to PlayerUp,
I read somewhere that if you qualified but didn't receive a payment, I believe you can apply this as a tax credit next april. So you might want to look into that when the time comes.

[Jcool0]

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[PlayerUp]

Edit, to PlayerUp,
I read somewhere that if you qualified but didn't receive a payment, I believe you can apply this as a tax credit next april. So you might want to look into that when the time comes.

Maybe I don't qualify since I have been overseas so long.

[TheStig]

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

I think people like Obama the person more than the politician. Despite what right-wing media will tell you, he was pretty moderate as a President.

The other thing he has going for him is that 2 of the 3 most recent Presidents have performed pretty poorly in the public’s eye (based entirely on approval polling not legislation or tweets).

I get it. Obama seems like a nice guy. I don't know him personally but he seems very articulant and willing to discuss things.

I meant as a politician. Remember he claimed to be a progressive afterall.

[TheStig]

Edit, to PlayerUp,
I read somewhere that if you qualified but didn't receive a payment, I believe you can apply this as a tax credit next april. So you might want to look into that when the time comes.

Maybe I don't qualify since I have been overseas so long.

Did you file tax returns? That seems to be the qualification.

[PlayerUp]

Read on Twitter

2020 is arguably the worst year in our lifetime

- Fires in Australia
- Volcano where I'm at
- Kobe
- Impeachment/Drama in DC
- COVID-19
- George Floyd
- Riots and Looters
- Last of Us 2

We don't deserve this.

[PlayerUp]

Did you file tax returns? That seems to be the qualification.

I have paid the estimated amount due + some but I have had to extend my tax returns so they aren't officially filed yet for 2019.

[TheStig]

what did hillary "give" that biden won't? like i said, i would expect the same thing from both as president: a continuation of obama administration policies (with concessions to the current political climate, of course. both are very much in the calculated politician mold)

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

first of all, she didn't actually concede to any of that. it was merely changes to the stated party platform, which a president has no obligation to govern by. and unless the party platform is changed to get rid of those additions in 2020, biden is effectively "conceding" the same things that hillary did, none of which were ever actually enacted, possibly in part because...many of bernie's supporters voted for trump

secondly, i didn't claim to love the results of the obama presidency. it was a disappointment, frankly. but he was handed a **** sandwich in the form of the "great recession", which he effectively ushered us through, and faced the most obstructionist congress in history over the last 6 years of his presidency, including a government shutdown

but not every democratic president in his position would have been able to get the health care reform that he did. he wanted a public option, which would have been a huge game changer, but it became politically infeasible due to weasel joe lieberman and perhaps a few "blue dog" democrats in the senate as well. highly unfortunate

also raised taxes on the wealthy, sharply reduced our presence in iraq, saved the american auto industry, appointed elizabeth warren to head the newly created consumer financial protection bureau, issued dozens of executive orders to help the LGBTQ community, ended "don't ask, don't tell", signed off on the biggest financial regulations in generations, created DACA, flattened energy demand by issuing efficiency standards, reduced the federal prison population for the first time in generations, began to phase out federal private prisons, ended a ban on needle exchange programs, reduced the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, directed federal prosecutors to abide by state marijuana laws, handled the racial vitriol against he and his wife magnificently, negotiated arms reduction deals w/ russia and iran, withdrew the vast majority of iraq troops in his first 3 years, normalized relations w/ cuba, etc.

Dice, I think you just like to argue. This is silly. The democratic platform gave all the concessions. This was the same DNC that helped Clinton along the way and gave her almost every super delegate. She also adopted it and went along.

I'm not a fan of the results. I think he squandered the first two years trying to work deals with Republicans instead of doing what they would do and shoving it down their throats. This made him very weak and a target to them. That's how they ended up squandering a supreme court nominee and ultimately didn't punish any of the people responsible for the recession.

Obamacare was great for the poor. I get it. But did very little or punished people like me in the middle. And I will agree with Trump that it should be illegal to make someone buy a private product under penalty of fine. Ultimately, it didn't work well and sold out people to have to buy insurance and not having cost caps on drugs or services. His biggest signature utimately became his biggest stain.

I'm not saying he's all bad but in the end he had very little actually change. ANd he ran on the concept of change.

[TheStig]

Did you file tax returns? That seems to be the qualification.

I have paid the estimated amount due + some but I have had to extend my tax returns so they aren't officially filed yet for 2019.

I think it went off 2018.

They also extended 2019 so they're not due yet.

WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department and Internal Revenue Service announced today that the federal income tax filing due date is automatically extended from April 15, 2020, to July 15, 2020.

[Dresden]

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

I think people like Obama the person more than the politician. Despite what right-wing media will tell you, he was pretty moderate as a President.

The other thing he has going for him is that 2 of the 3 most recent Presidents have performed pretty poorly in the public’s eye (based entirely on approval polling not legislation or tweets).

It's hard to say what he might have tried to do if he didn't have to spend his first two years pulling the country out of the worst recession since the 1920's, too. Digging out from that whole consumed a large part of his presidency.

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

[Ccwatercraft]

Read on Twitter

2020 is arguably the worst year in our lifetime

- Fires in Australia
- Volcano where I'm at
- Kobe
- Impeachment/Drama in DC
- COVID-19
- George Floyd
- Riots and Looters
- Last of Us 2

We don't deserve this.

[TheStig]

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

I think people like Obama the person more than the politician. Despite what right-wing media will tell you, he was pretty moderate as a President.

The other thing he has going for him is that 2 of the 3 most recent Presidents have performed pretty poorly in the public’s eye (based entirely on approval polling not legislation or tweets).

It's hard to say what he might have tried to do if he didn't have to spend his first two years pulling the country out of the worst recession since the 1920's, too. Digging out from that whole consumed a large part of his presidency.

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

Eh, I strongly suspect they teamed up with North Korea and just do it there. It was all to easy for them to give up something that big. I think Iran just found a way out of the sanctions. It wouldn't surprise me if they were still working on nuclear tech.

[the ultimates]

Read on Twitter

2020 is arguably the worst year in our lifetime

- Fires in Australia
- Volcano where I'm at
- Kobe
- Impeachment/Drama in DC
- COVID-19
- George Floyd
- Riots and Looters
- Last of Us 2

We don't deserve this.

The Last of US 2 is actually pretty good. The gameplay and graphics are great. Naughty Dog said from the beginning it's a revenge tale so certain things you know have to happen.

[Ccwatercraft]

Did you file tax returns? That seems to be the qualification.

I have paid the estimated amount due + some but I have had to extend my tax returns so they aren't officially filed yet for 2019.

I think it went off 2018.

They also extended 2019 so they're not due yet.

WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department and Internal Revenue Service announced today that the federal income tax filing due date is automatically extended from April 15, 2020, to July 15, 2020.

Yes, it gets muddy.

What I had read when I mentioned the potential tax credit specifically mentioned 2020 returns, not 2019, but if/when you do your 2019 its worth asking the tax professional (or software) if it isn't applicable in 2019, then it might be in 2020, so basically i'm just saying file that away in the back of the brain somewhere to inquire when the time comes.

edit: was bored enough to google it, although this wasn't the original source, its good enough.
https://www.aarp.org/money/taxes/info-2020/missed-stimulus-payment-claims.html

6. Claim $1,200 if you simply forgot to do so in 2020.
Let's say you're a 20-year-old college student and your parents didn't claim you as a dependent on their tax return in 2019. You didn't make enough money in 2018 or 2019 to file a tax return because, hey, you're a college student. And somehow you didn't hear about the IRS Non-Filers: Enter Payment Info Here tool, because, hey, you were busy being a college student. You can still claim your $1,200 stimulus payment next year on your 2020 tax return (or, if you aren't too busy, rush to use the IRS tool or file a 2019 tax return to try to get your stimulus payment sooner). The same is true for low-wage earners who typically aren't required to file tax returns.

Some people will never get a stimulus payment. If you're in jail or don't have a Social Security number, you're not eligible for a stimulus payment. (It may go without saying, but dead people also are ineligible.) If you owe child support, your stimulus payment can be garnished for the entire amount. It's possible other private debt collectors will try to garnish your payment, too.

[PlayerUp]

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

Needs to be reworked but this is likely the low end list now of priorities we need to fix these days.

[PlayerUp]

The Last of US 2 is actually pretty good. The gameplay and graphics are great. Naughty Dog said from the beginning it's a revenge tale so certain things you know have to happen.

[MrSparkle]

Well, as cases begin to surge again...

Pandemic assistance doesn't seem to click for anybody hanging on/making grains with W2 virtual work... And the Federal assistance drying up by the end of July...

A lot of workers are getting way more money from the Pandemic assistance than their normal job...

Some people who really need it can't get it...

Stimulus checks being sent to deceased and others still trying to get it...

Wall St. is as volatile as ever, and probably going to crater for good after the summer, and people realize Covid wasn't a hoax, Hydrochloroquine wasn't a cure, jobs are gone, businesses are gone, etc. Cold weather returns. The airline, travel and business sectors will be damaged.

I just want to say.. Boy would it have been easier to have a Federal plan in March that involved a unified 2-4 month closure instead of letting it linger in 30+ states. Of course you could've made a grading system, kept urban areas like NY, Chicago and Miami on the highest alert level with the most safety precautions, while Fargo and Cheyenne could operate with the most minimal precautions (masks and sanitization in stores, public space). Still, we are a complex eco chain. The food industry operates and ships in 50 states, and there have been outbreaks in the middle of nowhere.

Instead of giant corporate bailouts, just given a very low stimulus income to everybody ($1200-2000 a month per person, +600 or so per child) regardless whether you're laid off, working, or furloughed. UBI would've been easier to track and fairer, while probably costing much less in the short and long run. Instead it's a big cluster**** of oversized bailouts for some and none for others.

I find it a bit annoying that my wife and I are working full hours while making as much as some people who are not working (and in some cases still working cash jobs).. With the possibility of our jobs getting axed after the Pandemic Assistance ends.

Perhaps created a separate clause for mortgage relief (commercial and residential) to prevent a real estate collapse.

Printing all this money for the stock markets... With bankruptcies being inevitable... I'm no economist, but somebody explain to me how this isn't going to be a bigger mess.

But it's been almost 4 months. I'm tired of typing the same thing. I guess you vote idiocracy in, you suffer the consequences.

[Dresden]

Presidents can only do what congress and the people will let him or her, too, for the most part. Obama was stymied by a senate that refused to pass almost any of his legislation. He couldn't even get his SC nominee to a vote thanks to the senate. He could have used his bully pulpit to preach change more than he did, but again, for one thing he was dealing with the recession, and secondly, it would have made matters even worse on a partisan level in congress.

To get real change, the American people have to want it, too. And you need the cooperation of both branches of congress.

[Dresden]

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

Needs to be reworked but this is likely the low end list now of priorities we need to fix these days.

It seems insignificant until Israel announces Iran is close to a weapon and wants us to start a war on their behalf. It was a major breakthrough in relations with a bitter foe of ours in the ME.

[PlayerUp]

It seems insignificant until Israel announces Iran is close to a weapon and wants us to start a war on their behalf. It was a major breakthrough in relations with a bitter foe of ours in the ME.

Other countries are still part of the Iran Deal.