Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[dTox]

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.

i was chastised for these statements earlier this week but now most people are in agreement? what is HAPPENING!?

You point me to one rational fanbase in this world, and I'll name my first child Whitehops

[ATLTimekeeper]

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.

i was chastised for these statements earlier this week but now most people are in agreement? what is HAPPENING!?

He's been running the 2nd unit, and I don't see that changing in the regular season. OG will spot up, they'll throw Otto in there. Don't panac.

[OakleyDokely]

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.

i was chastised for these statements earlier this week but now most people are in agreement? what is HAPPENING!?

He's been running the 2nd unit, and I don't see that changing in the regular season. OG will spot up, they'll throw Otto in there. Don't panac.

ya, with the starters, he will likely play a more secondary role given all the established talent. He will be given more freedom when he's playing with bench lineups.

It's going to be a process.

[OakleyDokely]

So far this preseason (totals)

42 MIN, 16 PPG, 8 REB, 6 AST, 2 BLK, 2 STL, 55 FG%

[brownbobcat]

Barnes is not a wing - he is a big that can handle the ball from time to time. He does play a bit like a smaller Giannis at times. We should stop playing him like a wing and treat him more like a F/C that can pass. Barnes is very good at scoring in the paint; he actually has post moves and makes use of his wingspan and strength. He is not going to be a lights-out shooter( and he never will be), and he does not have that explosive first step to get around good guards.

Yes and no. His strength right now is his literal physical strength, but only applying brute force is going to wear him down and also limit his development. Giannis would be half the player he is without his faceup. Jokic has the advantage of bulk, but he wouldn't be nearly as effective if his shooting wasn't deadly.

I can't even think of a star PF/C in today's NBA that plays a traditional big man game. They all utilize power wing moves and/or perimeter shooting to some degree. Scottie's driving won't be predicated on blowing past guys from a standstill with a lightning first step, but being unstoppable once he's in motion.

[whitehops]

You point me to one rational fanbase in this world, and I'll name my first child Whitehops

please don't, i made this username when i was like 13 and would love to change it.

[Reeko]

You point me to one rational fanbase in this world, and I'll name my first child Whitehops

please don't, i made this username when i was like 13 and would love to change it.

You're allowed to change it. Nothing holding you back.

[DG88]

yep, seeing the same old fickle patterns develop in the fanbase (not necessarily anyone in here) is annoying. we saw it with pascal and others. you overhype, anoint and then you tear down unnecessarily when they unsurprisingly fail to constantly reach these crazy expectations.

there's a reason why the cliche about sophomore slumps in sports exists, because we often see it. he's gonna be targeted, gameplanned against and the pressure to exceed what he did last year will be intense and it can be a little too much.

the key is to just cool it and chill a bit, especially with these young players. but that applies to anyone. the only thing I'd get down about is lack of effort, since that is something you can control. and scottie was hardly the only starter to have that lackadasical attitude last night. but I attribute that to preseason, they're not playing for anything and they exerted themselves accordingly, unlike the bench guys who are fighting for spots and careers.

it's all very manic, tiresome and inconsistent. instead of calling guys the best ever or mid garbage, like let's relax here.

This is something that people need to recognize. It was even happening last year. Remember those fake dribble hand offs and Scottie would explode to the rim for easy dunks. Those eventually were snuffed out by opposing teams. Scottie recognized that and looked where else he could attack the defense. Same thing is happening now, as you said teams now have tape on him and know his tendencies. This is where development happens! How does Scottie navigate this new challenge and can he over come it? He won't learn unless he gets these on ball reps and learns through failure. Look at what we did with Precious last year. Even I was wondering what he was doing out there. But in the end it worked out, now we think Precious is going to have a big jump.

[brownbobcat]

This is something that people need to recognize. It was even happening last year. Remember those fake dribble hand offs and Scottie would explode to the rim for easy dunks. Those eventually were snuffed out by opposing teams. Scottie recognized that and looked where else he could attack the defense. Same thing is happening now, as you said teams now have tape on him and know his tendencies. This is where development happens! How does Scottie navigate this new challenge and can he over come it? He won't learn unless he gets these on ball reps and learns through failure. Look at what we did with Precious last year. Even I was wondering what he was doing out there. But in the end it worked out, now we think Precious is going to have a big jump.

Fans have to think about it this way - how would you defend Barnes? Right now the template is to use a mobile big, give him a couple feet if he's holding - if he's dribbling, apply pressure to make him turn his back or give up the ball. His ball IQ is going to help him adapt, but skill development is also a big part of it - it's no good knowing what you should do if you can't actually pull it off.

[Brinbe]

yep, seeing the same old fickle patterns develop in the fanbase (not necessarily anyone in here) is annoying. we saw it with pascal and others. you overhype, anoint and then you tear down unnecessarily when they unsurprisingly fail to constantly reach these crazy expectations.

there's a reason why the cliche about sophomore slumps in sports exists, because we often see it. he's gonna be targeted, gameplanned against and the pressure to exceed what he did last year will be intense and it can be a little too much.

the key is to just cool it and chill a bit, especially with these young players. but that applies to anyone. the only thing I'd get down about is lack of effort, since that is something you can control. and scottie was hardly the only starter to have that lackadasical attitude last night. but I attribute that to preseason, they're not playing for anything and they exerted themselves accordingly, unlike the bench guys who are fighting for spots and careers.

it's all very manic, tiresome and inconsistent. instead of calling guys the best ever or mid garbage, like let's relax here.

This is something that people need to recognize. It was even happening last year. Remember those fake dribble hand offs and Scottie would explode to the rim for easy dunks. Those eventually were snuffed out by opposing teams. Scottie recognized that and looked where else he could attack the defense. Same thing is happening now, as you said teams now have tape on him and know his tendencies. This is where development happens! How does Scottie navigate this new challenge and can he over come it? He won't learn unless he gets these on ball reps and learns through failure. Look at what we did with Precious last year. Even I was wondering what he was doing out there. But in the end it worked out, now we think Precious is going to have a big jump.

Yep, and it happens in every sport from basketball to baseball to hockey to football, whatever. They will figure you out and that's how you develop counters and grow your game. Those awkward growing pains are a part of the developmental process. It's not gonna be easy going forever. Do people not remember Pascal's sophomore season? When he shot all those terrible corner 3s and were people were wondering why the fk he was continually doing it even if his percentages were horrible? He needed to get those reps in and its paid off now. Or when they gameplanned for the postspin and he had to figure out other ways to get a bucket.

How many times did we watch early season Demar constantly dribble the ball off his foot or brick a ton of jumpers? These are young guys who are just finding their game at a professional level and all we can do as supporters is be patient/supportive. But we've seen in the recent past of how the weight of expectations can bring people down unnecessarily and I hope it doesn't happen with Scottie. And again, this isn't really people on here but maybe more the twitter/reddit fandom that hypes these guys up so much and attaches themselves so easily and are just as quick to bring them down when they falter.

[DG88]

Samson Folk and Mac Cunningham preview Scottie Barnes season.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MxfzoWpRUFnGdQHyAbThH?si=VF76HQQOQUyi00jYs729GQ&utm_source=copy-link

[HumbleRen]

Samson Folk and Mac Cunningham preview Scottie Barnes season.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MxfzoWpRUFnGdQHyAbThH?si=VF76HQQOQUyi00jYs729GQ&utm_source=copy-link

I agree with Samson, I don't see all NBA defence for Scottie or even the lofty Draymond Green defence potential that was his calling card before the draft but he doesn't need to be that.

Being great off ball and being a slightly above average on the perimeter is more than enough.

[WaltFrazier]

Barnes is shooting 55% from the field in the preseason so far by the way.

Yeah I don’t see the issue. His defence has been better, too.

He’s not getting the ball in a position to score enough. I’d like to see him have it in more advantageous positions.

Not sure about defense being better. I saw him get blown by by brown, and generally look slow and ineffective on D. Kind of floating around

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Man I love preseason hot takes. All of a sudden Scottie cant play defence and is the next Tim Thomas

[brownbobcat]

Samson Folk and Mac Cunningham preview Scottie Barnes season.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MxfzoWpRUFnGdQHyAbThH?si=VF76HQQOQUyi00jYs729GQ&utm_source=copy-link

I agree with Samson, I don't see all NBA defence for Scottie or even the lofty Draymond Green defence potential that was his calling card before the draft but he doesn't need to be that.

Being great off ball and being a slightly above average on the perimeter is more than enough.

I think there's a lot of room for learned development. First, his footwork is below average - on both ends. This is something that can be taught if he puts in the work. He's got a real knack for understanding spacing, though, which correlates more with his success on help D.

[Appostis]

Man I love preseason hot takes. All of a sudden Scottie cant play defence and is the next Tim Thomas

He's been a little underwhelming but yup..it's preseason

[TheBoi10]

Man I love preseason hot takes. All of a sudden Scottie cant play defence and is the next Tim Thomas

He couldn't play D last year either. Constantly pressing up and getting blown by. Really slow laterally for a wing, looks like he's moving in molasses.

[TheBoi10]

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[whitehops]

please don't, i made this username when i was like 13 and would love to change it.

You're allowed to change it. Nothing holding you back.

are you actually? how?

[OakleyDokely]

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