OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[MrDollarBills]

I've been on record, it was a mistake and the Giants should have let both of them go at the same time in hindsight.

I don’t see where hindsight has proven that Saquon warranted letting go too.

Facts! What games are you watching Dollar?!

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

[Ghetto Gospel]

I don’t see where hindsight has proven that Saquon warranted letting go too.

generally, RBs don't have that long of a shelf life so it's a decent bet to say saquon probably has maybe 2-3 good years left.

realistically though, this team is not 2-3 years away so i'm fine with that decision. if anything he would have made it harder to get our franchise qb in this upcoming draft

These timelines are completely arbitrary. The Commanders turned it around in a year with the right qb. Even with s 2-3 year timeline it’s not crazy to say next year we are in contention based on the decisions of 2023’s off season. You don’t get All Pros at any given position all the time.

Letting Saquon go has turned into HUUUUUUUGE mistake. Watch the games!

let's be real, saquon behind the giants o-line is not the same player as saquon behind the eagles o-line.

i do think it is crazy to say we are in contention next year based on decisions of the 2023 offseason. who would our answer have been at QB? the vet options that have looked good lately (baker mayfield, sam darnold) are not guys that can lead you to a chip.

i think the direction we are going right now where we are projected to get a top 1-5 pick in the draft is the best option we can take. i only wish we did it a year earlier

[Ghetto Gospel]

I don’t see where hindsight has proven that Saquon warranted letting go too.

Facts! What games are you watching Dollar?!

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

we had saquon on the team last year lol and we were still garbage

[Synciere]

I don’t see where hindsight has proven that Saquon warranted letting go too.

Facts! What games are you watching Dollar?!

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

Saquon minus jones with the extra 40 mil in cap space we would’ve had had we franchised jones instead??? Hell yeah!!

**Correction: Had we resigned Saquon it would’ve been an extra 25 million. Silly me.

[Synciere]

generally, RBs don't have that long of a shelf life so it's a decent bet to say saquon probably has maybe 2-3 good years left.

realistically though, this team is not 2-3 years away so i'm fine with that decision. if anything he would have made it harder to get our franchise qb in this upcoming draft

These timelines are completely arbitrary. The Commanders turned it around in a year with the right qb. Even with s 2-3 year timeline it’s not crazy to say next year we are in contention based on the decisions of 2023’s off season. You don’t get All Pros at any given position all the time.

Letting Saquon go has turned into HUUUUUUUGE mistake. Watch the games!

let's be real, saquon behind the giants o-line is not the same player as saquon behind the eagles o-line.

i do think it is crazy to say we are in contention next year based on decisions of the 2023 offseason. who would our answer have been at QB? the vet options that have looked good lately (baker mayfield, sam darnold) are not guys that can lead you to a chip.

i think the direction we are going right now where we are projected to get a top 1-5 pick in the draft is the best option we can take. i only wish we did it a year earlier

True, but we would’ve had the money to continue to work on the Oline. Or had the money to fix our secondary so we don’t have to use second and third round picks on those positions and could pivot to the Oline in the draft. Jones’s contract crippled us!

[Synciere]

Facts! What games are you watching Dollar?!

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

we had saquon on the team last year lol and we were still garbage

Yes, but we now definitively say Saquon at 14 million wasn’t the problem! Jones at 40 was!

[Ghetto Gospel]

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

we had saquon on the team last year lol and we were still garbage

Yes, but we now definitively say Saquon at 14 million wasn’t the problem! Jones at 40 was!

thats true! i thought jones at 40 was a problem at the time too! but, i also didnt like the idea of saquon at 14 either

[Synciere]

we had saquon on the team last year lol and we were still garbage

Yes, but we now definitively say Saquon at 14 million wasn’t the problem! Jones at 40 was!

thats true! i thought jones at 40 was a problem at the time too! but, i also didnt like the idea of saquon at 14 either

That’s what I was saying. If we miss on Saquon we pay an extra two million. But missing on Jones? He wasn’t worth 5, let alone 40 million. He was bad for way too long to make that bet, especially at the cost of our best player.

[Ghetto Gospel]

These timelines are completely arbitrary. The Commanders turned it around in a year with the right qb. Even with s 2-3 year timeline it’s not crazy to say next year we are in contention based on the decisions of 2023’s off season. You don’t get All Pros at any given position all the time.

Letting Saquon go has turned into HUUUUUUUGE mistake. Watch the games!

let's be real, saquon behind the giants o-line is not the same player as saquon behind the eagles o-line.

i do think it is crazy to say we are in contention next year based on decisions of the 2023 offseason. who would our answer have been at QB? the vet options that have looked good lately (baker mayfield, sam darnold) are not guys that can lead you to a chip.

i think the direction we are going right now where we are projected to get a top 1-5 pick in the draft is the best option we can take. i only wish we did it a year earlier

True, but we would’ve had the money to continue to work on the Oline. Or had the money to fix our secondary so we don’t have to use second and third round picks on those positions and could pivot to the Oline in the draft. Jones’s contract crippled us!

which corner was available to be signed that would be our #1 CB to fix our secondary though.

ultimately, no QB, no chip! hopefully, we can move forward with the most important player position in a few months

[Synciere]

let's be real, saquon behind the giants o-line is not the same player as saquon behind the eagles o-line.

i do think it is crazy to say we are in contention next year based on decisions of the 2023 offseason. who would our answer have been at QB? the vet options that have looked good lately (baker mayfield, sam darnold) are not guys that can lead you to a chip.

i think the direction we are going right now where we are projected to get a top 1-5 pick in the draft is the best option we can take. i only wish we did it a year earlier

True, but we would’ve had the money to continue to work on the Oline. Or had the money to fix our secondary so we don’t have to use second and third round picks on those positions and could pivot to the Oline in the draft. Jones’s contract crippled us!

which corner was available to be signed that would be our #1 CB to fix our secondary though.

ultimately, no QB, no chip! hopefully, we can move forward with the most important player position in a few months

Sidebar: how do you feel about Saquon at 14 now?

We wouldn’t have gotten a true #1, but I remember thinking we could’ve signed Awuzie or Fuller. Maybe Simmons at safety or resign McKinney, our own very good safety? The opportunity costs were clear.

[Ghetto Gospel]

True, but we would’ve had the money to continue to work on the Oline. Or had the money to fix our secondary so we don’t have to use second and third round picks on those positions and could pivot to the Oline in the draft. Jones’s contract crippled us!

which corner was available to be signed that would be our #1 CB to fix our secondary though.

ultimately, no QB, no chip! hopefully, we can move forward with the most important player position in a few months

Sidebar: how do you feel about Saquon at 14 now?

We wouldn’t have gotten a true #1, but I remember thinking we could’ve signed Awuzie or Fuller. Maybe Simmons at safety or resign McKinney, our own very good safety? The opportunity costs were clear.

i still dont think it's a great idea. saquon on the eagles is not the same as saquon on the giants. i feel the same way about derrick henry on the ravens vs titans. it just makes sense for the titans to move on and rebuild, same with the giants

actually, i think about the opportunity cost of trading for burns! we gave up a 2nd then followed up with paying him 30m/year. with that 30m/year we could have resigned saquon and mckinney, and drafted someone like cooper dejean or kool-aid mckinstry. i'm not confident that was the right decision but oh well. regardless, there was no path to get a good QB but we have one now so just going to hope for the best in this upcoming draft

[MrDollarBills]

Facts! What games are you watching Dollar?!

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Look at the state of this team. Do you seriously think that Saquon would thrive here?

Saquon minus jones with the extra 40 mil in cap space we would’ve had had we franchised jones instead??? Hell yeah!!

**Correction: Had we resigned Saquon it would’ve been an extra 25 million. Silly me.

Ok. You have more faith in Schoen than I do

[Synciere]

which corner was available to be signed that would be our #1 CB to fix our secondary though.

ultimately, no QB, no chip! hopefully, we can move forward with the most important player position in a few months

Sidebar: how do you feel about Saquon at 14 now?

We wouldn’t have gotten a true #1, but I remember thinking we could’ve signed Awuzie or Fuller. Maybe Simmons at safety or resign McKinney, our own very good safety? The opportunity costs were clear.

i still dont think it's a great idea. saquon on the eagles is not the same as saquon on the giants. i feel the same way about derrick henry on the ravens vs titans. it just makes sense for the titans to move on and rebuild, same with the giants

actually, i think about the opportunity cost of trading for burns! we gave up a 2nd then followed up with paying him 30m/year. with that 30m/year we could have resigned saquon and mckinney, and drafted someone like cooper dejean or kool-aid mckinstry. i'm not confident that was the right decision but oh well. regardless, there was no path to get a good QB but we have one now so just going to hope for the best in this upcoming draft

Saquon on the giants means Saquon isn’t on the eagles.

Burns isn’t at issue here since we would’ve had much more cap space. Maybe schoen screws the pooch, but probably we don’t have jones holding us back.

[MrDollarBills]

Barkley being on the Eagles is irrelevant to me. He's better off playing behind their OL than ours. I like Saquon. He was a good soldier here and now ppl see that the lack of talent that we have up front is what was holding him back. He was not the problem, nor is he the answer.

Two things are true:

1) Not resigning him is actually the smart move. Why would we pay out big money to a RB when this team has multiple areas of need? Going younger and cheaper at RB is the correct decision for a team that is rebuilding. I'm fine with Tracy.

2) Jones shouldn't have been signed to that contract. It was a massive error by Schoen that compounded Gettleman's mistake with drafting the guy at #6 in the first place.

We should have let them both go at the same time and tanked properly. Instead we just wasted two years and we have little to show for it in terms of improvement.

[DaGawd]

i’m late but holy **** we released this mf!?

[Ghetto Gospel]

Sidebar: how do you feel about Saquon at 14 now?

We wouldn’t have gotten a true #1, but I remember thinking we could’ve signed Awuzie or Fuller. Maybe Simmons at safety or resign McKinney, our own very good safety? The opportunity costs were clear.

i still dont think it's a great idea. saquon on the eagles is not the same as saquon on the giants. i feel the same way about derrick henry on the ravens vs titans. it just makes sense for the titans to move on and rebuild, same with the giants

actually, i think about the opportunity cost of trading for burns! we gave up a 2nd then followed up with paying him 30m/year. with that 30m/year we could have resigned saquon and mckinney, and drafted someone like cooper dejean or kool-aid mckinstry. i'm not confident that was the right decision but oh well. regardless, there was no path to get a good QB but we have one now so just going to hope for the best in this upcoming draft

Saquon on the giants means Saquon isn’t on the eagles.

Burns isn’t at issue here since we would’ve had much more cap space. Maybe schoen screws the pooch, but probably we don’t have jones holding us back.

yeah but even if saquon was on the giants we weren't beating the eagles with "insert X RB here", until we upgraded at QB. unless you care about team loyalty and all that but i never had saquon that high on my all-time favorite giants. not his fault, we just didn't have much team success and he was injured quite a bit.

but we finally have a chance to upgrade at QB, which was always the thing that was going to hold this team back. if we hit here, we can move forward and hopefully be a real legitimate football team

[mpharris36]

What are we even talking about here. A high priced RB on a bad team makes no sense.

Barkley avg under 4 yards per carry here 2 of the last 3 years which is awful. No all his fault because our line was trash but paying a RB is a luxury.

He currently is avg near 6 yards per carry with eagles.

It's like night and day. The eagles were a great fit and he's playing well for them. That also doesn't mean the Giants made the wrong decision letting him go. Two completely different trajectories of franchises right now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Letting Barkley go was the right decision. But its on Schoen and the front office for building a lousy team and putting the Giants in the position where we couldn't keep him.

Plus they came off looking really really bad on hard knocks and that he went to the eagles is still painful. Oh well. Fire everyone and move on

[TerrenceClarke]

It really just boils down to the ineptitude of Schoen.

I’m on record at the time saying both need to go that summer and neither should be resigned.

What makes Schoen look bad is because he did not let both walk… and he choose the obviously inferior player and gave him a huge contract.

People making the argument about the Oline etc not good for Barkley made it a smart move, need to realize that same Oline made it dumb to resign Jones.


It boils down to….. Jones sucked and Schoen could not see it.

Dude is a bum GM and need to be fired after this year plain and simple.

I disliked Jones being the QB for the GMen, but that front office is trying to use him as the scapegoat why we are bad, when it all boils down to down to schoen sucks. giants are at the top of the NFL for spending money and have nothing to show for it.

[Synciere]

What are we even talking about here. A high priced RB on a bad team makes no sense.

Barkley avg under 4 yards per carry here 2 of the last 3 years which is awful. No all his fault because our line was trash but paying a RB is a luxury.

He currently is avg near 6 yards per carry with eagles.

It's like night and day. The eagles were a great fit and he's playing well for them. That also doesn't mean the Giants made the wrong decision letting him go. Two completely different trajectories of franchises right now.

Except teams aren’t bad perpetually. Some teams turn it around in a year with the right moves. Giving your division rival a chance at an All Pro running back is almost always a bad move. Schoen misread the market.