Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[letsgorockets]

I guess you saw him his "frustrated liar" and raised him one "snide assh*le"

Perhaps. I'm just a simple ole country boy, so maybe I don't understand the parlance of fancy New Yorkers, but when something is stated as a fact that isn't it's called a lie. And the people who speak or write these things are called liars. Do y'all have another word for these things?

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Sports Journalists?

Touche sir, I'll see myself out.

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[dakomish23]

folks are acting like DSJ and frank BOTH can't be good
the saltiness towards him is cringe worthy, honestly.

They both WILL be good. Real good. Thank God that Frank won't be limited to and by the triangle so it will be a fair comparison.

And if we selected DSJ, the majority of these dudes getting upset would be praising this kid nonstop.

Knick fans would be praising a Knick?

That makes sense.

The same players they bash nonstop because they are not a Knick are the same players they praise if they are a Knick.

That makes zero sense.

[TankCommander17]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

[Bobalob]

Championships won where the best player on the team was a shoot first "get mine" point guard
2017 - nope
2016 - nope
2015 - yep (could be argued as no seeing how Iggy won FMVP)
2014 - nope
2013 - nope
2012 - nope
2011 - nope
2010 - nope
2009 - nope
2008 - nope
2007 - nope
2006 - nope
2005 - nope
2004 - nope
2003 - nope
2002 - nope
2001 - nope
2000 - nope
1999 - nope
1998 - nope
1997 - nope

For a league "run by" these guys, they don't have the best record, huh?

Even the top teams today, the only one whose best player is a shoot first pg is Boston. Cleveland, GS, San Antonio, and Houston all either have better players than their PG, or don't have a shoot first PG.

Oh no, no no. We're not gonna do that.

I said the league is RUN BY shoot first PG's. Meaning your team is less likely to succeed if you aint got one. Meanign the majoity of teams have one starting. I did not say that player had to be THE best player.

So 2017 GS-get mine PG. If your PG averages 26/27 he is 'getting his'. Dont let the effortlessness of HOW he gets his points distract us from the fact that he is still a shoot first, get mine PG

Cavs Kyrie-get mine.

The MVP Russ- Get mine.

2nd best team in the east last year? Boston. Isiah Thomas? Get mine. 3rd best? Raps. Kyle Lowery? Get mine. Even John Wall, a quasi 'throwback' PG is his team's leading scorer w/ 23 a game. 23 a game would have lead all PGs back in the day. Now its no higher than 5th i'd guess.

ALL THOSE GUYS WIN THEIR CLUB 50+ GAMES. Even Dame Lillard is taking an under-talented squad to .500. Get mine PG.

So yea lets not play like we dont see whats goin on. And to bring it all back to the original point, DSJR is far more like those guys above than...Frank Ntilikina.

Oh but enjoy him tho i hear he cuts really well off the ball!

Come on, man, at least learn how to spell their names right

Last year's playoffs
GSW - shoot first pg, 1st seed, championship
SAS - not shoot first, 2nd seed, conf. finals loss
HOU - not shoot first pg, 3rd seed, 2nd round loss
LAC - not shoot first pg, 4th seed, 1st round loss
UTA - not shot first pg, 5th seed, 2nd round loss
OKC - shoot first pg, 6th seed, first round loss
MEM - not shoot first pg, 7th seed, first round loss
POR - shoot first pg, 8th seed, first round loss

So that's 3/8 get mine PGs, with only one even making it out of the first round (and only 1 of the top 5 teams had a shoot first)

BOS - shoot first, 1 seed, conf. finals loss
CLE - shoot first, 2 seed, finals loss
TOR - shoot first, 3 seed, 2nd round loss
WAS - shoot first*, 4 seed, 2nd round loss
ATL - not shoot first, 5 seed, 1st round loss
MIL - not shoot first, 6 seed, 1st round loss
IND - not shoot first, 7 seed, 1st round loss
CHI - not shoot first, 8 seed, 1st round loss

3.5/8, all making it out of the first round

In all, only 7 teams had shoot first PGs (Washington is arguable, making it 6 to me). For a league "run by" shoot first PGs, that's pretty bad
And 7 of the 15 non playoff teams had shoot first PGs. So your claim of teams having a shoot first PG are more likely to succeed than teams that don't is just not true

Talent, teamwork, and defense win championships. Doesn't matter which position you get scoring from.

Dude...Houston doesnt have a shoot first PG?

I dont even know what to categorize Parker as, but he's avg +7 assist only twice in his career. He's known for SCORING

George Hill isnt a shoot first PG? Hint: If you average 17 points and FOUR assist per game, you are on the court to SHOOT.

So if we're keeping tabs at home, thats 6 of the 8 top 4 seeds have scorers/shooters as their starting PG. And of your 2 one is questionable.

And no, none of that fluffy hallmark ready words about 'teamwork' wins championships. Teamwork comes after the fact. Elite 'greatest shooting point guard of all time' wins you championships. The Warriors Nor Cavs are champs without a PG giving BUCKETS

[Dantares]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

[Bobalob]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

You know what you just described? The Detroit Lions.

The Lions selected WR Charles Rogers in 2003 a colossal bust
The Lions selected WR Roy Williams in 2004 and he unperformed
The Lions selected WR Mike Williams in 2005 a colossal bust

So 2007 comes around and there's just no way they can draft another receiver!!? They draft Calvin Johnson and he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

DSJR aint gonna be Megatron level, but the point is he has NOTHING to do with the failures of other regimes, players, and teams. You draft the best player you feel at that time and remove the emotion, not based on stuff that happend 10, 20 years ago.



And what you DONT do is draft Frank Ntilikina.

[Dantares]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

You know what you just described? The Detroit Lions.

The Lions selected WR Charles Rogers in 2003 a colossal bust
The Lions selected WR Roy Williams in 2004 and he unperformed
The Lions selected WR Mike Williams in 2005 a colossal bust

So 2007 comes around and there's just no way they can draft another receiver!!? They draft Calvin Johnson and he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

DSJR aint gonna be Megatron level, but the point is he has NOTHING to do with the failures of other regimes, players, and teams. You draft the best player you feel at that time and remove the emotion, not based on stuff that happend 10, 20 years ago.



And what you DONT do is draft Frank Ntilikina.

oh I am sure the knicks did their due diligience and that is why they drafted frank. thank god. I'm just talking about why so many people here did not want Dsjr and the reasons I listed before are probably the same reasons the knicks passed on him. also i forgot to mention the health problems he has, he wouldn't let anyone take a look at his knee.

[NBA Fan 1234]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

You know what you just described? The Detroit Lions.

The Lions selected WR Charles Rogers in 2003 a colossal bust
The Lions selected WR Roy Williams in 2004 and he unperformed
The Lions selected WR Mike Williams in 2005 a colossal bust

So 2007 comes around and there's just no way they can draft another receiver!!? They draft Calvin Johnson and he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

DSJR aint gonna be Megatron level, but the point is he has NOTHING to do with the failures of other regimes, players, and teams. You draft the best player you feel at that time and remove the emotion, not based on stuff that happend 10, 20 years ago.



And what you DONT do is draft Frank Ntilikina.

Because you know how Frank and Dennis will turn out, right? Also, Calvin Johnson was a freak of all freaks - he had the body of a TE, the hands of a catcher's mitt, and the speed of a 5'9 receiver. Comparing him to DSJr, a guy who I loved and had on the same tier as Frank, is stupid.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

The Lions tho??

Melo getting traded to the Lions?

[SelbyCobra]

I guess you saw him his "frustrated liar" and raised him one "snide assh*le"

Perhaps. I'm just a simple ole country boy, so maybe I don't understand the parlance of fancy New Yorkers, but when something is stated as a fact that isn't it's called a lie. And the people who speak or write these things are called liars. Do y'all have another word for these things?

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[shtolky]

So the DSJ bashing has come to the Melo thread. Never change Knick fans.

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

You know what you just described? The Detroit Lions.

The Lions selected WR Charles Rogers in 2003 a colossal bust
The Lions selected WR Roy Williams in 2004 and he unperformed
The Lions selected WR Mike Williams in 2005 a colossal bust

So 2007 comes around and there's just no way they can draft another receiver!!? They draft Calvin Johnson and he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

DSJR aint gonna be Megatron level, but the point is he has NOTHING to do with the failures of other regimes, players, and teams. You draft the best player you feel at that time and remove the emotion, not based on stuff that happend 10, 20 years ago.



And what you DONT do is draft Frank Ntilikina.

Your analogy misses the point. You mention Detroit selecting Johnson, meaning they were not scared off due to previous WR picks that were busts. Then you say how the DSJ pick should have nothing to do with past regimes, players, etc. Problem is, Dantares mentioned specific attributes regarding past players that DSJ seems to have. All you said was Detroit selected this WR, that WR, then another. Your analogy would work if we hadme me me PG's for years, and then a CP3 was available in the draft and we past just because we had drafted PGs in the past who were busts. You can absolutely rely on history and how the league has been when drafting players. Guys like DSJ, guys who SEEM to have a certain attitude, defensive deficiencies, selfishness, etc are not the kind of players that we should be picking. We just dealt with one of those last year. DSJ is not just another PG as Johnson was another WR. He's another selfish, no defense playing, short PG. I am not even saying DSJ is going to be better than Frank, or whatnot, and I have no idea why we are talking about this in this thread, but you have no idea if Frank is going to be worse than DSJ.

Please explain why you are 100% sure we should not have picked Frank Ntilikina

[Phish Tank]

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Frank Ntilikina was the best player available.

[Rasho Brezec]

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Half of people in the pic are Beasley's kids.

[god shammgod]

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is that melo hiding in the hoodie next to koq ?

[Phish Tank]

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is that melo hiding in the hoodie next to koq ?

yep

[King of Canada]

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is that melo hiding in the hoodie next to koq ?

yep

That's a cool pic, and lol at Beasley for bringing his kids That makes me like him more.

[Bobalob]

I think the DSJ bashing is personal and it has almost nothing to do with Frank. The last 16 years or so we've had some uber talented players but a losing culture. What were the main problems?

- Bad defense
- Lack of leadership
- Quitting attitude
- Players that don't make others better

You wrap all of those flaws into one flashy and talented player and you are describing DSjr to a tee and he becomes the most despised lottery prospect on this board ever.

You know what you just described? The Detroit Lions.

The Lions selected WR Charles Rogers in 2003 a colossal bust
The Lions selected WR Roy Williams in 2004 and he unperformed
The Lions selected WR Mike Williams in 2005 a colossal bust

So 2007 comes around and there's just no way they can draft another receiver!!? They draft Calvin Johnson and he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

DSJR aint gonna be Megatron level, but the point is he has NOTHING to do with the failures of other regimes, players, and teams. You draft the best player you feel at that time and remove the emotion, not based on stuff that happend 10, 20 years ago.



And what you DONT do is draft Frank Ntilikina.

Your analogy misses the point. You mention Detroit selecting Johnson, meaning they were not scared off due to previous WR picks that were busts. Then you say how the DSJ pick should have nothing to do with past regimes, players, etc. Problem is, Dantares mentioned specific attributes regarding past players that DSJ seems to have. All you said was Detroit selected this WR, that WR, then another. Your analogy would work if we hadme me me PG's for years, and then a CP3 was available in the draft and we past just because we had drafted PGs in the past who were busts. You can absolutely rely on history and how the league has been when drafting players. Guys like DSJ, guys who SEEM to have a certain attitude, defensive deficiencies, selfishness, etc are not the kind of players that we should be picking. We just dealt with one of those last year. DSJ is not just another PG as Johnson was another WR. He's another selfish, no defense playing, short PG. I am not even saying DSJ is going to be better than Frank, or whatnot, and I have no idea why we are talking about this in this thread, but you have no idea if Frank is going to be worse than DSJ.

Please explain why you are 100% sure we should not have picked Frank Ntilikina

Lol @ the italics. I hope it catches on.

But you're right, I dont know for sure. But all of us who talk sports see things we're pretty damn sure of. Somethign we're ready to take to Vegas. An educated guess, with more emphasis on educated than guess.

I saw DSJR play ONE TIME and it was in high school and i said thats Steve Francis reborn that kid is going to eat. And i dont gas HS kids. so I didnt care 1 bit about his 'red flags' at NCST. Didnt care if they went 0-30. I know what i saw. So he slides, then kills in summer league and now evryone, GMS AND PLAYERS, say he is a top ROY candidate.

Well, i was already there. I didnt need anyone else to validate it.

I saw Frank Ntilikina and my IMMEDIATE impression was 'guy labeled as a big PG who isnt really a point guard so if you take away his size advantage over PGs hes plain jane basic.' I've watched a lot of basketball and i've seen that type of player ALOT.

See Dante Exum, see the Harrison twins, see Javaris Crittendon, see Brian Shaw, etc. I know my **** bro lol

So if your stance is 'hey we dont know yet' than i definitely respect it. But when he's a complete bust i hope i can still find yall to say i told you so *shrug*

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is that melo hiding in the hoodie next to koq ?

im going to guess Lance Thomas....melo hasn't done anything Knicks oriented this offseason. Doubt he would start now.

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They should make a hoodie jersey for Melo to wear. Hoodie Melo would dominate.