The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[madvillian]

Most of his floaters and little push shots aren't that contested. He's got such great elevation he shoots over even bigger wings with relative ease. Another solid game last night. The shot he hit to tie it was huge.

[DuckIII]

You know, the midrange pull up jumpers he takes that are contested.

Those ones. And I’m including the long, one handed floaters in this category as well.

Outside of a few three pointers, that’s like 90% of his offensive output.

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Show me one contested jumper from last night, just 1...I'll be here waiting

I don’t think he did. But I was talking about his entire short NBA career, not one game.

[Bankshot]

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Show me one contested jumper from last night, just 1...I'll be here waiting

I don’t think he did. But I was talking about his entire short NBA career, not one game.

Well it got brought up in relation to last night's game and even looking at past games he's taken very few difficult had in your face jumpers.

[RSP83]

Last year, he would've been benched after attempting the first one.

Still not crazy about Pat's overall shot selection - although I'm not against utilizing the midrange, the contested pull-ups are rarely good decisions.

What contested pull ups, not seeing what your saying at all...plus he's shooting 46% on 3's...the arrow is straight up for Pat

You know, the midrange pull up jumpers he takes that are contested.

Those ones. And I’m including the long, one handed floaters in this category as well.

Outside of a few three pointers, that’s like 90% of his offensive output.

I don't know, it's not that ridiculous of a shot... Kareem's skyhook was much more ridiculous for people who seen it the first time.

What's the problem with Pat's shot selection, he shot open 3s fairly well, and nothing wrong with his mid range, they're not the long 2 kinds, mainly not too far around the elbow. And he's able to read mismatch better than Lauri at the same age.

[Chi town]

Pat flashed a little more last night w the handle. Wish he had dunked his first attempt at the rim and didn’t Dre another foul on Nurkic later too. His 3 ball looked money and he was used a couple times in PnR too.

One of these games he’s going to get some more opportunities and he will break out and his confidence will soar.

The more I see the more I believe he’s going to be legit. Loved how we had him on Dame in the 4th. Dame didn’t score on him. Also think he could play the 5 like Thad is right now.

[madvillian]

Pat flashed a little more last night w the handle. Wish he had dunked his first attempt at the rim and didn’t Dre another foul on Nurkic later too. His 3 ball looked money and he was used a couple times in PnR too.

One of these games he’s going to get some more opportunities and he will break out and his confidence will soar.

The more I see the more I believe he’s going to be legit. Loved how we had him on Dame in the 4th. Dame didn’t score on him. Also think he could play the 5 like Thad is right now.

It def appears he's the type of modern wing that wins games. He can guard a few positions, can pop in some threes, and can handle enough that in the halfcourt sometimes he can generate a good look for himself or someone else. He's the type that GarPax never made it a priority to have, other than oddly, Porter, who they probably got just because nobody else was dumb enough to trade for Portis.

[sco]

I'm still skeptical on his 3pt shot just due to fact that season is still new and once teams realize he can shoot the 3, he'll be guarded closer. That said, I like his handle and vision. That kick-out pass to Zach after he drove the hoop was nice. I remain optimistic that this was a good pick!

[TheFinishSniper]

Most of his floaters and little push shots aren't that contested. He's got such great elevation he shoots over even bigger wings with relative ease. Another solid game last night. The shot he hit to tie it was huge.

because those are not shots which are usually guarded. So they defend, guard and contest most of time jumpshots not floaters or spin and sideway push shots. not mention he is 6'8 with long wingspan and huge hands + perimeter player. Only people in NBA who are contesting those kind of shots are rim protectors. Also contesting those from perimeter players means there is scouting report on him, but also given those are also almost closer to mid-range shots, defenses are basically asking him to take those as long he is not getting all through the rim.

[cjbulls]

Most of his floaters and little push shots aren't that contested. He's got such great elevation he shoots over even bigger wings with relative ease. Another solid game last night. The shot he hit to tie it was huge.

because those are not shots which are usually guarded. So they defend, guard and contest most of time jumpshots not floaters or spin and sideway push shots. not mention he is 6'8 with long wingspan and huge hands + perimeter player. Only people in NBA who are contesting those kind of shots are rim protectors. Also contesting those from perimeter players means there is scouting report on him, but also given those are also almost closer to mid-range shots, defenses are basically asking him to take those as long he is not getting all through the rim.

Yeah the floater game is weird. Can’t remember a guy that big who attempted them over attacking the rim. Especially when you factor in his leaping ability and strength, logically he should be trying to finish at the rim every time

But he hits seemingly 90% of them. So, I don’t know, I don’t get it.

[PaKii94]

I have been pleased with PWill so far. Reminds me of Jimmy in the demeanor department. He has a very good feel for the game. What he is doing now is as a 5th cog in the lineup so it's pretty much his floor.

[Chi town]

I'm still skeptical on his 3pt shot just due to fact that season is still new and once teams realize he can shoot the 3, he'll be guarded closer. That said, I like his handle and vision. That kick-out pass to Zach after he drove the hoop was nice. I remain optimistic that this was a good pick!

I'm not. I'm buying more stock. The two he hit lastnight were big shots and were mildly contested. He doesn't hesistate and his form his consistent. Also liked the IG video yesterday of him hitting like 7 in a row and Temple going crazy.

Just wait till he learns how to draw fouls and get to the line.

[nomorezorro]

it's weird how much more noticeably comfortable he looks taking midrange jumpers than threes, especially considering he's shooting 46.7% on threes so far!

(weird not in a concerning sense, but in an academic, "huh, that's interesting." sense. i'm fine with him taking the shots he's comfortable with at this point in his career, and i don't think there's any reason his shot profile can't improve as he develops. the stroke is there, which is super super super encouraging)

[sco]

it's weird how much more noticeably comfortable he looks taking midrange jumpers than threes, especially considering he's shooting 46.7% on threes so far!

(weird not in a concerning sense, but in an academic, "huh, that's interesting." sense. i'm fine with him taking the shots he's comfortable with at this point in his career, and i don't think there's any reason his shot profile can't improve as he develops. the stroke is there, which is super super super encouraging)

I think the difference is that he's more ready for the jumpers because he takes them a few dribbles into a drive and has had time to prepare...the 3's are almost always off a pass, and he's not as mentally ready, IMO.

[nomorezorro]

yeah and it's not like it's unheard of for a guy to be a more instinctive rhythm shooter pulling up than he is on catch-and-shoots. i just can't remember a case when it was so obvious via the casual eye test.

[DroseReturnChi]

I have been pleased with PWill so far. Reminds me of Jimmy in the demeanor department. He has a very good feel for the game. What he is doing now is as a 5th cog in the lineup so it's pretty much his floor.

he is jb2.0 except he has mj jumper as a rookie. that mid range is money he is already worth a 20mil 3 and D guy.

[DroseReturnChi]

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Show me one contested jumper from last night, just 1...I'll be here waiting

Why do you care abt contested jumper so much? Either contested or not, he will make them with ease bc he has such a great elevation.
No ones stopping it in midrange.

[Bankshot]

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Show me one contested jumper from last night, just 1...I'll be here waiting

Why do you care abt contested jumper so much? Either contested or not, he will make them with ease bc he has such a great elevation.
No ones stopping it in midrange.

Read the whole thread, I don't care it was ZOMG

[cjbulls]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

[the ultimates]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

[Clocian]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

He's gonna box score watch lol. He didn't even play much due to the concussion protocol.

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