MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

[heat4life]

Question is, would Michael Beasley be an upgrade over KZ?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[eddieheatfan]

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[unowen85]

The Okpala transaction was a disaster. If this was a normal place of business, anyone involved in the decision-making process to acquire him would be fired. Possibly sent to a North Korean camp afterwards as well.

[gom]

Are we sharing Okpala criticism porn? I loved these:

https://allucanheat.com/2021/08/17/miami-heat-roundtable-kz-okpala/

The last one is the best. It argues to keep Okpala, because he is going to flick that light switch. Here is a live shot of him searching for it:

[Wiltside]

Question is, would Michael Beasley be an upgrade over KZ?

Undoubtedly.

[Flash4thewin]

Question is, would Michael Beasley be an upgrade over KZ?

Undoubtedly.

Yes lol

All joking aside, I don't know what to think of the Heat and their offseason moves. When we got swept in the playoffs people where rightfully disgusted by the product we put on the floor not really about the effort of players. If one was mad at the effort, the cross hair would be on Butler and his being polite "bad playoff". Our big splash was Lowry, a 35 year old point guard who is suppose to be our star two way player at PG because Duncan will be on the court. Its a this will work out great move or someone should get fired type of move. The moves we have made don't really inspire confidence. I don't know what to think of this team but excited would be the last word that would come to my mind. We should get to the playoffs so meh

[twix2500]

Question is, would Michael Beasley be an upgrade over KZ?

Undoubtedly.

Yes lol

All joking aside, I don't know what to think of the Heat and their offseason moves. When we got swept in the playoffs people where rightfully disgusted by the product we put on the floor not really about the effort of players. If one was mad at the effort, the cross hair would be on Butler and his being polite "bad playoff". Our big splash was Lowry, a 35 year old point guard who is suppose to be our star two way player at PG because Duncan will be on the court. Its a this will work out great move or someone should get fired type of move. The moves we have made don't really inspire confidence. I don't know what to think of this team but excited would be the last word that would come to my mind. We should get to the playoffs so meh

The reason the Heat lost to the 2021 NBA champs is because the Bucks were able to key on stopping Butler and Duncan by exploiting a weakness in Bam's game. I know many here for the past 5 yrs were locked on the idea of building roster with role players first and just slot a star in with the role players. And that is why many here were adamant and disappointed about not signing Giannis. I really not sure where that idea came from but I can not think of any NBA title team built that way.

Since the moment Butler was sign the Heat started building this team around Butler and Bam. Every one else were brought to Miami to complement Bam and Butler in hopes to allow them to be the best version of themselves. It is meant for the Heat to be carried by Butler and Bam. If they falter, then it doesn't matter what everyone else does. Lowry is here to play the Bosh role as a big 3. Meaning being a part time role player and part time go too player. Beside the Warriors, there is not enough room for 3 players to be consistent stars. A team has to increase the pace for 3 stars to have star production on a daily basis. Heat have never been a high pace team, so no need to think that.

When you identify players that you want to build around you do so until they prove they can handle responsibility or not. It's the right thing to do by letting them play it out.

[JebusDoneRize]

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[RexBoyWonder]

The Okpala transaction was a disaster. If this was a normal place of business, anyone involved in the decision-making process to acquire him would be fired. Possibly sent to a North Korean camp afterwards as well.

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[AirP.]

Since the moment Butler was sign the Heat started building this team around Butler and Bam. Every one else were brought to Miami to complement Bam and Butler in hopes to allow them to be the best version of themselves. It is meant for the Heat to be carried by Butler and Bam. If they falter, then it doesn't matter what everyone else does.

This is not true, this team has done little to nothing to build around Butler and Bam until this offseason. The ridiculous 2021 plan hamstrung this team greatly and quite possibly cost Miami a Championship in 2020(by refusing to acquire CP3 because of his 3rd year player option which would have tanked the 2021 plan. Almost all the main players outside of Butler and Bam were already on the team when Butler was acquired Dragic, Robinson, Herro, Winslow and Olynyk. Winslow had a prolonged injury so he was moved along with bad contracts(Johnson, Waiters) for Iggy, Crowder and Hill although they could have had Gallinari and Noel but both wanted extensions past 2021, that move was more about dumping salary then acquiring talent although Crowder was a nice fit for the 1/2 a season. Although Crowder was a good fit, this FO allowed him to walk the next season after starting for a team that made the finals because.... he wanted 10 million a year that went into the precious 2021 offseason so he was let go. Miami did acquire Oladipo for cheap but that was more because he was forcing himself to Miami(a credit to the organization as a whole).

This team could have been much better the last 2 seasons if the FO wouldn't have held back, would have loved to seen what Miami would have done the 2019-2020 season with CP3 and Butler being acquired that offseason.

[twix2500]

Since the moment Butler was sign the Heat started building this team around Butler and Bam. Every one else were brought to Miami to complement Bam and Butler in hopes to allow them to be the best version of themselves. It is meant for the Heat to be carried by Butler and Bam. If they falter, then it doesn't matter what everyone else does.

This is not true, this team has done little to nothing to build around Butler and Bam until this offseason. The ridiculous 2021 plan hamstrung this team greatly and quite possibly cost Miami a Championship in 2020(by refusing to acquire CP3 because of his 3rd year player option which would have tanked the 2021 plan. Almost all the main players outside of Butler and Bam were already on the team when Butler was acquired Dragic, Robinson, Herro, Winslow and Olynyk. Winslow had a prolonged injury so he was moved along with bad contracts(Johnson, Waiters) for Iggy, Crowder and Hill although they could have had Gallinari and Noel but both wanted extensions past 2021, that move was more about dumping salary then acquiring talent although Crowder was a nice fit for the 1/2 a season. Although Crowder was a good fit, this FO allowed him to walk the next season after starting for a team that made the finals because.... he wanted 10 million a year that went into the precious 2021 offseason so he was let go. Miami did acquire Oladipo for cheap but that was more because he was forcing himself to Miami(a credit to the organization as a whole).

This team could have been much better the last 2 seasons if the FO wouldn't have held back, would have loved to seen what Miami would have done the 2019-2020 season with CP3 and Butler being acquired that offseason.

You are talking about moves that you wanted. I do not see how that contradicts what I am saying. Winslow, Dragic and Olynyk were all trade chips that were always gonna be used to build around Bam and Butler. If they would of traded for Chris Paul or Westbrook, all three of them would of been dealt somewhere including Herro. Robinson was never part of the equation until last year. The emergence of Nunn and Robinson was unforseen, which you can give credit to the Heat but a lot of that is luck as well. Heat knew Oladipo desire to come to Miami, and we're planning on him being part of the equation. Heat has known for the past 4 years. Are you criticizing the Heat for trying to utilized Oladipo desire for their advantage? The NBA finals run was never something the Heat thought would of happened. When the Heat got onto a hot start of the season, they at least knew they were going to be a playoff team. Heat were trying to trade Winslow for years, I mean years. Injuries kept plaguing his trade value. Now some of the social media fan crush people had for Winslow may make you think otherwise. None the less what you are saying pretty much laying out the players the Heat looked at to build around Bam and Butler. Sure was Giannis part of their plan. At the end of the day the only players that were a given to remain was Bam and Butler. All you are pointing out is that the Heat didn't play their trade card hands the way you wanted them to.

[AirP.]

Since the moment Butler was sign the Heat started building this team around Butler and Bam. Every one else were brought to Miami to complement Bam and Butler in hopes to allow them to be the best version of themselves. It is meant for the Heat to be carried by Butler and Bam. If they falter, then it doesn't matter what everyone else does.

This is not true, this team has done little to nothing to build around Butler and Bam until this offseason. The ridiculous 2021 plan hamstrung this team greatly and quite possibly cost Miami a Championship in 2020(by refusing to acquire CP3 because of his 3rd year player option which would have tanked the 2021 plan. Almost all the main players outside of Butler and Bam were already on the team when Butler was acquired Dragic, Robinson, Herro, Winslow and Olynyk. Winslow had a prolonged injury so he was moved along with bad contracts(Johnson, Waiters) for Iggy, Crowder and Hill although they could have had Gallinari and Noel but both wanted extensions past 2021, that move was more about dumping salary then acquiring talent although Crowder was a nice fit for the 1/2 a season. Although Crowder was a good fit, this FO allowed him to walk the next season after starting for a team that made the finals because.... he wanted 10 million a year that went into the precious 2021 offseason so he was let go. Miami did acquire Oladipo for cheap but that was more because he was forcing himself to Miami(a credit to the organization as a whole).

This team could have been much better the last 2 seasons if the FO wouldn't have held back, would have loved to seen what Miami would have done the 2019-2020 season with CP3 and Butler being acquired that offseason.

You are talking about moves that you wanted. I do not see how that contradicts what I am saying. Winslow, Dragic and Olynyk were all trade chips that were always gonna be used to build around Bam and Butler. If they would of traded for Chris Paul or Westbrook, all three of them would of been dealt somewhere including Herro. Robinson was never part of the equation until last year. The emergence of Nunn and Robinson was unforseen, which you can give credit to the Heat but a lot of that is luck as well. Heat knew Oladipo desire to come to Miami, and we're planning on him being part of the equation. Heat has known for the past 4 years. Are you criticizing the Heat for trying to utilized Oladipo desire for their advantage? The NBA finals run was never something the Heat thought would of happened. When the Heat got onto a hot start of the season, they at least knew they were going to be a playoff team. Heat were trying to trade Winslow for years, I mean years. Injuries kept plaguing his trade value. Now some of the social media fan crush people had for Winslow may make you think otherwise. None the less what you are saying pretty much laying out the players the Heat looked at to build around Bam and Butler. Sure was Giannis part of their plan. At the end of the day the only players that were a given to remain was Bam and Butler. All you are pointing out is that the Heat didn't play their trade card hands the way you wanted them to.

This is about you saying the team was building around Butler and Bam, that is false. It was all about the 2021 summer and that's all I heard about up until Bam signed. The whole issue with acquiring CP3 was his player option for 2021 which went against their 2021 plan and with that, he wasn't acquired when OKC was trying to move him. Too bad Miami didn't look at what he did in Houston when Harden wasn't playing, they might have realized that CP3 put up some incredible numbers when he actually got to contribute all game long. How about retaining the PF that helped Miami get to the finals... nope, not retained because of 2021 flexibility, that doesn't seem to be building around Butler and Bam, that sounds like the complete opposite.

I didn't say anything was wrong with Oladipo, I actually was saying it was a plus for this organization that they have some players wanting to play for Miami enough that he was forcing his way to Miami which wouldn't have worked out for him if Giannis would have signed like Miami had hoped, there would have been no cap space for him to sign.

I also don't think moving Dragic to the bench and Winslow to PG was building around Butler and Bam either, that seemed very counter productive to Butler and Bam's playmaking by giving the ball to Winslow and having 1 less shooter on the court for Bam and Butler to pass to utilizing their playmaking skils.

It's all been this 2021 dream because it happened once a decade ago. It takes players conspiring to play together to make those things work.

Luckily I don't have to hear or see roster decisions made about preserving room for "a whale" for a few seasons because the FO struck out with their 2 year bet on Giannis.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Since the moment Butler was sign the Heat started building this team around Butler and Bam. Every one else were brought to Miami to complement Bam and Butler in hopes to allow them to be the best version of themselves. It is meant for the Heat to be carried by Butler and Bam. If they falter, then it doesn't matter what everyone else does.

This is not true, this team has done little to nothing to build around Butler and Bam until this offseason. The ridiculous 2021 plan hamstrung this team greatly and quite possibly cost Miami a Championship in 2020(by refusing to acquire CP3 because of his 3rd year player option which would have tanked the 2021 plan. Almost all the main players outside of Butler and Bam were already on the team when Butler was acquired Dragic, Robinson, Herro, Winslow and Olynyk. Winslow had a prolonged injury so he was moved along with bad contracts(Johnson, Waiters) for Iggy, Crowder and Hill although they could have had Gallinari and Noel but both wanted extensions past 2021, that move was more about dumping salary then acquiring talent although Crowder was a nice fit for the 1/2 a season. Although Crowder was a good fit, this FO allowed him to walk the next season after starting for a team that made the finals because.... he wanted 10 million a year that went into the precious 2021 offseason so he was let go. Miami did acquire Oladipo for cheap but that was more because he was forcing himself to Miami(a credit to the organization as a whole).

This team could have been much better the last 2 seasons if the FO wouldn't have held back, would have loved to seen what Miami would have done the 2019-2020 season with CP3 and Butler being acquired that offseason.

Hindsight is 20/20, we took a chance on adding a generational talent in Giannis. It didn't work out, but if it did everyone here would have labeled it a genius move and superb planning by the FO.

Dragic actually played great for the Bubble run - there's no way of knowing we would have done better with CP3.

We swung for a home run and missed - that's ok. It doesn't mean it was the wrong move. I hope we going after the generational talents every time we can, especially when the alternative is gambling on a 35YO with health issues.

[twix2500]

This is not true, this team has done little to nothing to build around Butler and Bam until this offseason. The ridiculous 2021 plan hamstrung this team greatly and quite possibly cost Miami a Championship in 2020(by refusing to acquire CP3 because of his 3rd year player option which would have tanked the 2021 plan. Almost all the main players outside of Butler and Bam were already on the team when Butler was acquired Dragic, Robinson, Herro, Winslow and Olynyk. Winslow had a prolonged injury so he was moved along with bad contracts(Johnson, Waiters) for Iggy, Crowder and Hill although they could have had Gallinari and Noel but both wanted extensions past 2021, that move was more about dumping salary then acquiring talent although Crowder was a nice fit for the 1/2 a season. Although Crowder was a good fit, this FO allowed him to walk the next season after starting for a team that made the finals because.... he wanted 10 million a year that went into the precious 2021 offseason so he was let go. Miami did acquire Oladipo for cheap but that was more because he was forcing himself to Miami(a credit to the organization as a whole).

This team could have been much better the last 2 seasons if the FO wouldn't have held back, would have loved to seen what Miami would have done the 2019-2020 season with CP3 and Butler being acquired that offseason.

You are talking about moves that you wanted. I do not see how that contradicts what I am saying. Winslow, Dragic and Olynyk were all trade chips that were always gonna be used to build around Bam and Butler. If they would of traded for Chris Paul or Westbrook, all three of them would of been dealt somewhere including Herro. Robinson was never part of the equation until last year. The emergence of Nunn and Robinson was unforseen, which you can give credit to the Heat but a lot of that is luck as well. Heat knew Oladipo desire to come to Miami, and we're planning on him being part of the equation. Heat has known for the past 4 years. Are you criticizing the Heat for trying to utilized Oladipo desire for their advantage? The NBA finals run was never something the Heat thought would of happened. When the Heat got onto a hot start of the season, they at least knew they were going to be a playoff team. Heat were trying to trade Winslow for years, I mean years. Injuries kept plaguing his trade value. Now some of the social media fan crush people had for Winslow may make you think otherwise. None the less what you are saying pretty much laying out the players the Heat looked at to build around Bam and Butler. Sure was Giannis part of their plan. At the end of the day the only players that were a given to remain was Bam and Butler. All you are pointing out is that the Heat didn't play their trade card hands the way you wanted them to.

This is about you saying the team was building around Butler and Bam, that is false. It was all about the 2021 summer and that's all I heard about up until Bam signed. The whole issue with acquiring CP3 was his player option for 2021 which went against their 2021 plan and with that, he wasn't acquired when OKC was trying to move him. Too bad Miami didn't look at what he did in Houston when Harden wasn't playing, they might have realized that CP3 put up some incredible numbers when he actually got to contribute all game long. How about retaining the PF that helped Miami get to the finals... nope, not retained because of 2021 flexibility, that doesn't seem to be building around Butler and Bam, that sounds like the complete opposite.

I didn't say anything was wrong with Oladipo, I actually was saying it was a plus for this organization that they have some players wanting to play for Miami enough that he was forcing his way to Miami which wouldn't have worked out for him if Giannis would have signed like Miami had hoped, there would have been no cap space for him to sign.

I also don't think moving Dragic to the bench and Winslow to PG was building around Butler and Bam either, that seemed very counter productive to Butler and Bam's playmaking by giving the ball to Winslow and having 1 less shooter on the court for Bam and Butler to pass to utilizing their playmaking skils.

It's all been this 2021 dream because it happened once a decade ago. It takes players conspiring to play together to make those things work.

Luckily I don't have to hear or see roster decisions made about preserving room for "a whale" for a few seasons because the FO struck out with their 2 year bet on Giannis.

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When the Heat got Butler they immediately went after Westbrook and Paul, and Gallinari. It wasn't until they failed getting Westbrook or Paul that they made Giannis a priority.

Dragic and Winslow were never part of their plans to build around Butler and Bam besides being trade chips. Everyone and I mean everyone were trade chips outside of Bam and Butler.



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[AirP.]

Hindsight is 20/20, we took a chance on adding a generational talent in Giannis. It didn't work out, but if it did everyone here would have labeled it a genius move and superb planning by the FO.

Dragic actually played great for the Bubble run - there's no way of knowing we would have done better with CP3.

We swung for a home run and missed - that's ok. It doesn't mean it was the wrong move. I hope we going after the generational talents every time we can, especially when the alternative is gambling on a 35YO with health issues.

I was against it the moment Butler joined Miami in 2019, basically the FO going in cruise control after acquiring a 29 year old max player, no hindsight on my part. It seemed quite logical to team up Butler and CP3 after this team was building around Richardson, Winslow and hopefully Bam.

Sure, Dragic did well but CP3 just was in the MVP talk for the last couple of years since he was being utilized normally again vs how he was utilized in Houston. The odds Miami would be a better team with CP3 instead of Dragic is pretty high, would things still have happened the same way, who knows but it would have had the FO building the roster vs cruise control to 2021. I do believe there's a HIGH probability this last playoffs would have been way better for Miami, if they would have had a better seeding and maybe this team gets to the finals this last season.

[AirP.]

When the Heat got Butler they immediately went after Westbrook and Paul, and Gallinari. It wasn't until they failed getting Westbrook or Paul that they made Giannis a priority.

Dragic and Winslow were never part of their plans to build around Butler and Bam besides being trade chips. Everyone and I mean everyone were trade chips outside of Bam and Butler.

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Yes, Miami went after Westbrook, Spoelstra has wanted him for a while. CP3 was different, they wanted him to decline his player option for 2021 to preserve space for 2021, at the time I mentioned that they could worry about it later by having him decline with a smaller per year extension it it's place which people on the board didn't like. Gallinari and Noel were available at the trade deadline but Miami wanted Gallo to extend for 1 year to preserve 2021 room and he wanted multiple years. They got Crowder and Iggy instead and tried doing the same thing to Crowder, sign him for one year to preserve cap space for 2021. The 2021 plan really cost this team, they had no player friendships helping the plan.

I don't see how Miami could make Giannis and Bam work together, after Bam proved himself in the 2020 season the team should have scrapped the 2021 plan but didn't, especially with Butler in the mix. That would have been 3 max non shooting players.

[Heat_team02]

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/23/nba-rumors-miami-heat-orlando-magic-trade-features-tyler-herro/

Orlando Magic Receive: G Tyler Herro

Miami Heat Receive: G RJ Hampton, G Cole Anthony, 2022 First Round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick (via IND)

[BBallFreak]

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/23/nba-rumors-miami-heat-orlando-magic-trade-features-tyler-herro/

Orlando Magic Receive: G Tyler Herro

Miami Heat Receive: G RJ Hampton, G Cole Anthony, 2022 First Round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick (via IND)

Such a bad deal for Miami in my opinion. Still the article makes a good point. Herro will be due an extension somewhat soon and if we're going to trade him, our time is this season.

[twix2500]

When the Heat got Butler they immediately went after Westbrook and Paul, and Gallinari. It wasn't until they failed getting Westbrook or Paul that they made Giannis a priority.

Dragic and Winslow were never part of their plans to build around Butler and Bam besides being trade chips. Everyone and I mean everyone were trade chips outside of Bam and Butler.

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Yes, Miami went after Westbrook, Spoelstra has wanted him for a while. CP3 was different, they wanted him to decline his player option for 2021 to preserve space for 2021, at the time I mentioned that they could worry about it later by having him decline with a smaller per year extension it it's place which people on the board didn't like. Gallinari and Noel were available at the trade deadline but Miami wanted Gallo to extend for 1 year to preserve 2021 room and he wanted multiple years. They got Crowder and Iggy instead and tried doing the same thing to Crowder, sign him for one year to preserve cap space for 2021. The 2021 plan really cost this team, they had no player friendships helping the plan.

I don't see how Miami could make Giannis and Bam work together, after Bam proved himself in the 2020 season the team should have scrapped the 2021 plan but didn't, especially with Butler in the mix. That would have been 3 max non shooting players.

Heat never said they wanted Paul to decline his contract. That was fan made discussion who were not liking the idea of getting Paul, which was plentiful here. At that point of time the realistic hope for Bam was to become a third tier star, he was a 12 pt per guy at that point. They were looking for a 1st or 2nd teir star to pair with Bam and Butler. Their number one focus was to find that star first before they use trade chips on role players. When the Heat went after Paul in Houston and Westbrook in OKC (as well as Beal) they were also trying to get Gallinari. Once the focus went to Giannis, Gallinari wasn't a player they wanted to invest long term into for obvious reason. Because Gallinari is nothing but a role player that wouldn't fit with Giannis and Bam. If they would of added him last year they wanted to make sure he had a contract that could be flipped. But again we are talking about how they played their cards, but the game is the same. Build around Butler and Bam.

Bams has evolved the past two seaosn to the point where there is hope he turns into a 2nd teir star.

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