Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Nick K]

It is ridiculous how grossly overrated roleplayer Haliburton is.

That is exactly the way I saw him out of the draft.

[Nick K]

Gupta needs to go for Holmes! Give them Top10 protected 2022 FRP, Layman and Okogie

I would do that all day. I love the Richaun Holmes fit. He and Vando would be dynamite. We'd have to move Reid then.

[Nick K]

For a middle of the road 28 year old when we have KAT? I think that capital could be used better.

Holmes has excellent contract. He gives us depth at C, help us to mitigate risks with Reid extension. Our pick at the moment is projected to be around 16. Now considering the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules of remaining games it is unlikely that our pick will be higher. Even at 16th there is not much high level talent around that range in 2022 daft.

My point is you can still get better. Holmes is like a couple of 2nds based on our needs.

Holmes is a much, much better player than you're giving him credit for. He's meat and potatoes tough inside and would be a great fit.

Take a look at his numbers. He's on a great contract too.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holmeri01.html

[Baseline81]

He makes 3.8mil next year, c'mon. Not wanting cheap, young, developmental talent that wouldn't create much opportunity for not having him is honestly not a well thought out argument. Richardson being extended is what might matter more to the Wolves.

The Wolves have three second round picks in the upcoming draft. I would rather gamble on one of them for a shooter than have Nesmith.

[Nick K]

It's Doogie... also says the Wolves are looking for rebounding more so than shooting.

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I love it! Another big is the right way to go. R Holmes would be good too.

[SO_MONEY]

Holmes has excellent contract. He gives us depth at C, help us to mitigate risks with Reid extension. Our pick at the moment is projected to be around 16. Now considering the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules of remaining games it is unlikely that our pick will be higher. Even at 16th there is not much high level talent around that range in 2022 daft.

My point is you can still get better. Holmes is like a couple of 2nds based on our needs.

Holmes is a much, much better player than you're giving him credit for. He's meat and potatoes tough inside and would be a great fit.

Take a look at his numbers. He's on a great contract too.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holmeri01.html

Meh.

Not worth a 1st, you have KAT, Reid is no slouch, 6 younger and a perfect backup.

[BlacJacMac]

It is ridiculous how grossly overrated roleplayer Haliburton is.

That is exactly the way I saw him out of the draft.

He's been over 40% on 3s both season on 5/game. 47/41/84 shooter.

This year he's at 7.4 APG vs 2.3 Turnovers - and he only carries an 18 usage. The ball does not stick with him at all. He gives you 2.5 Stocks.

He's not going to carry a bad team, but his game will make a good team much better.

[Krapinsky]

Holmes has excellent contract. He gives us depth at C, help us to mitigate risks with Reid extension. Our pick at the moment is projected to be around 16. Now considering the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules of remaining games it is unlikely that our pick will be higher. Even at 16th there is not much high level talent around that range in 2022 daft.

My point is you can still get better. Holmes is like a couple of 2nds based on our needs.

Holmes is a much, much better player than you're giving him credit for. He's meat and potatoes tough inside and would be a great fit.

Take a look at his numbers. He's on a great contract too.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holmeri01.html

I'm always a little wary of the guys who look good gobbling up rebounds on a bad team. I also don't know how he fits with Vanderbilt. Is a back up center for us worth a first when our best player is a C? I agree with So Money -- I think that capital could be used better.

[Nick K]

It is ridiculous how grossly overrated roleplayer Haliburton is.

That is exactly the way I saw him out of the draft.

He's been over 40% on 3s both season on 5/game. 47/41/84 shooter.

This year he's at 7.4 APG vs 2.3 Turnovers - and he only carries an 18 usage. The ball does not stick with him at all. He gives you 2.5 Stocks.

He's not going to carry a bad team, but his game will make a good team much better.

I will say this, his numbers are better than I remember them being. He is a nice player but as you said he's not the kind of guy to carry a team. Being drafted that high I expect the player to be that team difference maker.

[BlacJacMac]

That is exactly the way I saw him out of the draft.

He's been over 40% on 3s both season on 5/game. 47/41/84 shooter.

This year he's at 7.4 APG vs 2.3 Turnovers - and he only carries an 18 usage. The ball does not stick with him at all. He gives you 2.5 Stocks.

He's not going to carry a bad team, but his game will make a good team much better.

I will say this, his numbers are better than I remember them being. He is a nice player but as you said he's not the kind of guy to carry a team. Being drafted that high I expect the player to be that team difference maker.

He totally can be a difference maker. He's just not going to drag a bad team to 20 wins by chucking his way to 22 PPG. But he totally could be a Top 3 guy on a contending level team. That's worthy of a lottery pick to me.

[MN7725]

Don't see how Wolves can get a player like Holmes or Harrell level salary unless a useful player like Beasley, Beverly, Prince is headed out (not necessarily in the same trade)

Not going to go into tax when so much is going to be paid out by the current tax teams

You can cobble together enough salary with three players like Okogie/Layman/Bolmaro, but then the other team needs to have extra roster spots available or made available by waiving their current players, which can happen but is unusual

[Neeva]

That is exactly the way I saw him out of the draft.

He's been over 40% on 3s both season on 5/game. 47/41/84 shooter.

This year he's at 7.4 APG vs 2.3 Turnovers - and he only carries an 18 usage. The ball does not stick with him at all. He gives you 2.5 Stocks.

He's not going to carry a bad team, but his game will make a good team much better.

I will say this, his numbers are better than I remember them being. He is a nice player but as you said he's not the kind of guy to carry a team. Being drafted that high I expect the player to be that team difference maker.

Contacts aside I’d take Sabonis over him anytime.

[Dewey]

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It's Doogie... also says the Wolves are looking for rebounding more so than shooting.

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I love it! Another big is the right way to go. R Holmes would be good too.

No way this guy is 6’7” is he? I honestly don’t know much about his game, but he is intriguing

[SO_MONEY]

He makes 3.8mil next year, c'mon. Not wanting cheap, young, developmental talent that wouldn't create much opportunity for not having him is honestly not a well thought out argument. Richardson being extended is what might matter more to the Wolves.

The Wolves have three second round picks in the upcoming draft. I would rather gamble on one of them for a shooter than have Nesmith.

Who says you can't?

[_AIJ_]

Harrell would be fine as long as it just cost us Reid

[Neeva]

Harrell would be fine as long as it just cost us Reid

Not even worth Naz IMO.
Layman or Mclaughlin and Okogie, and a second should be enough.

[shangrila]

So, just saw this:

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And now do not want. Stealing rebounds from teammates, no boxing out, that godawful ball handling and trying to boost his stats in the final seconds.

[shrink]

Harrell has been the archetype of the player who does well in the regular season, but can’t play at all during the playoffs.

[winforlose]

Can you guys imagine next season when the Pelicans starting lineup is Graham, Mccuollum, Ingram, Zion, and Valanciunas. They could be very dangerous.

[Neeva]

Graham and McCollum are overrated and Zion will miss a ton of games.