Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 11th Heaven

[ConstableGeneva]

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Bucks top two beat ours, but 3-10, I take the Cs.

[ConstableGeneva]

Celtics Roster 2019-20:

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"Nope, we didn't like our guys after all."

Edwards - out of the league
Tacko - out of the league
Freedom - out of the league
Green - out of the league
Hayward - on a poverty franchise
Langford - on a rebuilding team; barely in the league
Ojeleye - out of the league
Poirier - out of the league
Smart - good spot
Theis - on a rebuilding team
Kemba - out of the league
Wanamaker - out of the league
Waters - out of the league
Grant - on a team that's about to implode
Timelord - on a rebuilding team

Basically, it's just Smart that's still on a relevant team.

[GoGreen]

Celtics Roster 2019-20:

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"Nope, we didn't like our guys after all."

Edwards - out of the league
Tacko - out of the league
Freedom - out of the league
Green - FA
Hayward - on a poverty franchise
Langford - on a rebuilding team; barely in the league
Ojeleye - out of the league
Poirier - out of the league
Smart - good spot
Theis - on a rebuilding team
Kemba - out of the league
Wanamaker - out of the league
Waters - out of the league
Grant - on a team that's about to implode
Timelord - on a rebuilding team

Basically, it's just Smart that's still on a relevant team.

I knew Danny sucked out loud his final few seasons, but woof...

[ConstableGeneva]

Celtics Roster 2019-20:

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"Nope, we didn't like our guys after all."

Edwards - out of the league
Tacko - out of the league
Freedom - out of the league
Green - FA
Hayward - on a poverty franchise
Langford - on a rebuilding team; barely in the league
Ojeleye - out of the league
Poirier - out of the league
Smart - good spot
Theis - on a rebuilding team
Kemba - out of the league
Wanamaker - out of the league
Waters - out of the league
Grant - on a team that's about to implode
Timelord - on a rebuilding team

Basically, it's just Smart that's still on a relevant team.

I knew Danny sucked out loud his final few seasons, but woof...

I think this was the year where he couldn't make any upgrades cos we didn't have salary to trade even though we had picks. It's also a testament to Brad being underrated as a coach. Imagine taking that team to the ECF. Kemba had a bad knee since All-Star Break and Hayward suffered an ankle injury in the first round. Grant and Rob were pups. Daniel Theis was the starting center of an ECF team. They were led by a 21-year-old.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Anna feels proud...

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[steefP2]

Curious to see how we finalize this roster; at the very least I don’t expect Banton to make the final roster.

Rebounding a bit of a weakness now with our top 6; don’t think we’ll fix that with someone who can enter the playoff rotation but every team has to have some weakness I guess

[joshuapending]

Dare i say it but what about Dwight? Big body, just grab a few boards. Seems like he will play for the min.

[steefP2]

Dare i say it but what about Dwight? Big body, just grab a few boards. Seems like he will play for the min.

I’d much rather use the grant tpe on Drummond than Dwight lol. The only guy I’d prefer Dwight over is cousins probably

[steefP2]

Queta signing looks pretty fun now. No expectations but it would be fun to see him get a chance once in a while.

[ConstableGeneva]

Curious to see how we finalize this roster; at the very least I don’t expect Banton to make the final roster.

Rebounding a bit of a weakness now with our top 6; don’t think we’ll fix that with someone who can enter the playoff rotation but every team has to have some weakness I guess

Cs were still a very good defensive rebounding team even without Rob (85th percentile) -- thank you, JT -- but a lousy offensive rebounding team (13th percentile). Gabriel could help there if he sees the floor. Porzingis probably won't. If we do make all our shots, we won't need offensive rebounding lol.

[ConstableGeneva]

Windhorst said three teams were ultimately in the mix for Jrue -- Heat, Clippers, and Celtics. Those were the three teams Jrue was willing to extend with. I'm rephrasing badly. Celtics had to pay a premium to get him. I always thought Clips could've beaten our offer 'cos their 2028 and 2030 unprotected 1sts are more valuable than our 1sts. Just my opinion, but Rob might've been the swing piece in this deal.

[ConstableGeneva]

Celtics trade Smart. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Dame now?"
Celtics trade Timelord and Grant. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Embiid & Giannis now?"

It's obvious they weren't watching the Celtics past few years. Not really. White has been better than Smart at defending speedier guards. (Now we added Jrue.) Horford was still one of the best post defenders in the league even at his age and had primary assignment on Embiid/Giannis in the playoffs.

[DusterBuster]

Windhorst said three teams were ultimately in the mix for Jrue -- Heat, Clippers, and Celtics. Those were the three teams Jrue was willing to extend with. I'm rephrasing badly. Celtics had to pay a premium to get him. I always thought Clips could've beaten our offer 'cos their 2028 and 2030 unprotected 1sts are more valuable than our 1sts. Just my opinion, but Rob might've been the swing piece in this deal.

We have a fairly plugged in media member here in Portland for what the Blazers have been targeting this summer. Getting Rob was absolutely a swing piece. They wanted picks and players at positions of need. Getting quality front court players (a position the Blazers have been weak at for years now) has been a goal all summer for them along with picks. The Clippers picks are nice, but they didn’t have any players the Blazers would have wanted/needed. They didn’t want Covington back, Batum is washed, Terrance Mann is just another guard (and not a quality young asset to boot)… all signs point to Williams being that tilt piece that won the deal for Boston.

I also doubt any Miami talks got far. Even if the teams were willing to talk to one another after the Dame stuff, matching salaries was actually pretty difficult with Jrue to Miami.

I started a thread on the Blazers board after the Dame trade to discuss possible trade spots for Jrue. Boston for Brogdon, Rob and picks was my first potential idea I threw out.

[cl2117]

Windhorst said three teams were ultimately in the mix for Jrue -- Heat, Clippers, and Celtics. Those were the three teams Jrue was willing to extend with. I'm rephrasing badly. Celtics had to pay a premium to get him. I always thought Clips could've beaten our offer 'cos their 2028 and 2030 unprotected 1sts are more valuable than our 1sts. Just my opinion, but Rob might've been the swing piece in this deal.

I also think Brogdon unfortunately had such a limited market that he really ended up being salary filler as opposed to an overly positive asset. LAC being the obvious trade partner, but also in the running for Jrue, which meant the market was even more limited than you'd imagine.

Teams were probably willing to take a shot on Malcolm, but would want to see him healthy first before giving any significant assets and the timelines just didn't work out. We couldn't afford to wait, other teams were always going to ask for a discount for buying an asset with questionable health.

In that context it's probably a slight overpay for Jrue, but I felt like we "won" the Smart/KP swap and everything ends up pretty reasonable net/net. Smart for KP should have been a straight swap. Jrue should've landed them a pair of firsts and expirings. We swing the GSW first to them plus Rob with Brogdon as filler and our 2029 first was the clincher.

I'm of the opinion that sometimes you just need to lose a bit on value to win on the court and that's where I think we'll end up.

[Darthlukey]

Celtics trade Smart. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Dame now?"
Celtics trade Timelord and Grant. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Embiid & Giannis now?"

It's obvious they weren't watching the Celtics past few years. Not really. White has been better than Smart at defending speedier guards. (Now we added Jrue.) Horford was still one of the best post defenders in the league even at his age and had primary assignment on Embiid/Giannis in the playoffs.

It's a bit of an oversimplification to call fans concerned with the defence casuals. You do make good points about our playoff defence, but considering age and injury prone players, the loss of rob hurts us a bit (the irony is rob is also very injury prone). I also felt like rob was a much better defender was bam compared to Al, who does a great job vs embiid and giannis

[31to6]

I’m sure if POR would’ve done the 6-for-1 trade, Rob would be at Celtics media day today. But this — for the Celtics — was the cost of getting Jrue and (just as important) keeping him from ending up in Miami.

[ConstableGeneva]

Celtics trade Smart. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Dame now?"
Celtics trade Timelord and Grant. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Embiid & Giannis now?"

It's obvious they weren't watching the Celtics past few years. Not really. White has been better than Smart at defending speedier guards. (Now we added Jrue.) Horford was still one of the best post defenders in the league even at his age and had primary assignment on Embiid/Giannis in the playoffs.

It's a bit of an oversimplification to call fans concerned with the defence casuals. You do make good points about our playoff defence, but considering age and injury prone players, the loss of rob hurts us a bit (the irony is rob is also very injury prone). I also felt like rob was a much better defender was bam compared to Al, who does a great job vs embiid and giannis

It's not their concern about defense that's in question. Their knowledge of the Celtics players and their strengths/weaknesses is.

Smart has a hard time keeping up with quick guards. White, who's still with the team, does better at that. Timelord is more a weakside helper rather than post defender who will make it tough on Embiid and Giannis. They never mentioned Bam, but you are right Rob does better there. Or it could just be by the time we face the Heat (ECF past two playoffs), Horford has little in the tank left.

[steefP2]

Celtics trade Smart. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Dame now?"
Celtics trade Timelord and Grant. Casuals: "Who's gonna guard Embiid & Giannis now?"

It's obvious they weren't watching the Celtics past few years. Not really. White has been better than Smart at defending speedier guards. (Now we added Jrue.) Horford was still one of the best post defenders in the league even at his age and had primary assignment on Embiid/Giannis in the playoffs.

It's a bit of an oversimplification to call fans concerned with the defence casuals. You do make good points about our playoff defence, but considering age and injury prone players, the loss of rob hurts us a bit (the irony is rob is also very injury prone). I also felt like rob was a much better defender was bam compared to Al, who does a great job vs embiid and giannis

Yeah sure; I’m just not convinced we should care about bam. We’ll see how zinger holds up with quality personnel around him but even in the recent defeat to the heat it wasn’t cause bam. He averaged like 15/8 on 48% shooting or smth.

There are 2 real obstacles; Denver and Milwaukee. Jokic and giannis are 2 of the 3 best guys in the world; you don’t “solve” those guys. So you turn the tap off everywhere else and hope your guys have better matchups.

We have a 2 year window right now; that solidified as soon as Jaylen signed his extension. CBA will restrict us next off season; the time to go all in is now and you make the best moves possible in the moment.

[London2Boston]

Gotta just find a way to wrap Al in cotton wool until the playoffs now. Give us one more run, Al!

[chakdaddy]

Would love to have a bouncy developmental guy like Nnaji or Gueye. I guess that could be Queta.