Tobias Harris Trade Thread

elchengue20 · Post #1921 » by **elchengue20** » Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:03 pm

Yeah, he is more talented than the average 3rd/4th option but at the end of the day he isnt a difference maker offensively or defensively. He doesnt bring the skillset you need in complementary players.

Hes a below average 2nd option. That's his place in this league. Hes not a championship player, even less at the money hes making.

Maybe he can find a role as a bench scorer in a contender, but his game/mentality is not built to complement other stars and have a big minutes/starting role, thats for sure.

76ciology · Post #1922 » by **76ciology** » Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:29 am

SixersSince82 wrote:

I dont agree with any of that.

Tobias isn't good enough to win you playoff games (besides maybe the 1st round) if Joel isn't playing. If he were we'd have won one of those first 2 miami games... or at least kept them close, but in reality the were blowouts. He doesn't actually affect the tone or pace of the game. Dude isn't going to ever force his will on the opponent, or stop another team's run or create a run for the 6ers.He's an empty calorie scorer, basically. So your point amounts to winning a 2 or 3 extra regular season games. If that... I remember years of complaints about Tobi and Ben's inability to win us games without Joel.

That’s Jojo and Harden’s role.

He is what Brook Lopez is with the Bucks or Max Struss is with heat. The fourth best guy on the roster.

I think your overstating Tobias as some sort of key to get around the perimeter defense of teams that have length. Dude doesn't pump fake and attack the basket with any sort of force. He's a slow decision maker with no vision who (for a wing) plods into mid range turn around jumpers. A large part of the time he dribbles to nowhere and then they reset.

He averaged 16ppg on 50-38-86 doing all the actions you just stated.

One of his games against perimeter defense with length

Spoiler:

For sure he's a more talented basketball player than Jae Crowder. But I can't go so far as to suggest he's an important piece to the 6ers title hopes.

He was the best player, after Embiid, in that Raps series.

He had a better WAR and RAPTOR than Maxey in the playoffs. While his raw numbers and Maxey’s are comparable for both reg season and playoffs.

A player who can slow down the opponent’s best player (look at my previous posts), play really good defense and average 16ppg on high efficiency as your fourth best player is not an important piece? You won’t win that Raptors series if not for Tobi.

A guy who scores most of his points on non crunch time, allows his teammate to score most of his points on crunch time. Having Tobi lessens the load for your scorer.

Lastly, even if you dont agree with me on this.. and seems like everyone is going into this “im just kidding, im not really suggesting jae crowder” position, then what do you suggest we do with it?

76ciology · Post #1923 » by **76ciology** » Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:43 am

The “do whatever just to get the monkey off my back” bias.

the_process · Post #1924 » by **the_process** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 12:51 pm

76ciology wrote:The “do whatever just to get the monkey off my back” bias.

Getting the monkey off your back is typically what you want to accomplish?

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1925 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 2:57 pm

I will be happy when hes traded.

M2J · Post #1926 » by **M2J** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:39 am

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:The “do whatever just to get the monkey off my back” bias.

Getting the monkey off your back is typically what you want to accomplish?

But not by doing "whatever".... Sometimes monkeys on your back are cool pets like Abu.

the_process · Post #1927 » by **the_process** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:02 pm

M2J wrote:
the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:The “do whatever just to get the monkey off my back” bias.

Getting the monkey off your back is typically what you want to accomplish?

But not by doing "whatever".... Sometimes monkeys on your back are cool pets like Abu.

Rooting for the diamond in the rough to come through is… a… well, it's certainly something.

zaz102 · Post #1928 » by **zaz102** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:13 pm

Sometimes nothing you can do but rub your lamp and make a wish.

M2J · Post #1929 » by **M2J** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:17 am

zaz102 wrote:Sometimes nothing you can do but rub your lamp and make a wish.

I would rub that lamp and turn Harris into Kawhi or LeBron, or Jaylen Brown..... when paired with other assets. Not to turn him into Jae Crowder

davesilver · Post #1930 » by **davesilver** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:55 am

M2J wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Sometimes nothing you can do but rub your lamp and make a wish.

I would rub that lamp and turn Harris into Kawhi or LeBron, or Jaylen Brown..... when paired with other assets. Not to turn him into Jae Crowder

Kevin Durant would suffice

the_process · Post #1931 » by **the_process** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:02 pm

davesilver wrote:
M2J wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Sometimes nothing you can do but rub your lamp and make a wish.

I would rub that lamp and turn Harris into Kawhi or LeBron, or Jaylen Brown..... when paired with other assets. Not to turn him into Jae Crowder

Kevin Durant would suffice

rocketsfan100 · Post #1932 » by **rocketsfan100** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:15 pm

He will either be gone by the trade deadline or start of next season as an valuable expiring contract who can contribute. Morey will eventually turn him into a nice piece.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1933 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:14 pm

We need aggressive ball players that can play with pace and impact the game with more than just putting up stats. We missing this. We've had shooters and defenders in the past. We need playmakers and guys who aren't afraid to attack when Embiid needs help. We need guys they are willing to fight and takeover when need be. Another play maker won't hurt... Maxey and Harden ars above average to elite 3pt shooters.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1934 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:13 pm

I would def look into a Josh Richardson for Tobias Harris swap. Saves us like 20 mil per season. Richardson fits our team better as a versatile wing 3 and D players who is young only 28. I would do this in a heart beat.

Embiid/ Harrell
Tucker / Niang / Reed
Richardson/ House / *Thybulle
Harden / Thybulle/ Joe
Maxey / Melton / Milton

M2J · Post #1935 » by **M2J** » Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:05 am

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:I would def look into a Josh Richardson for Tobias Harris swap. Saves us like 20 mil per season. Richardson fits our team better as a versatile wing 3 and D players who is young only 28. I would do this in a heart beat.

Embiid/ Harrell
Tucker / Niang / Reed
Richardson/ House / *Thybulle
Harden / Thybulle/ Joe
Maxey / Melton / Milton

Melton is a similar fit. I would prefer Melton to Richardson.... Even in your lineup Harris would be a better fit.

Zumramania · Post #1936 » by **Zumramania** » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:04 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:He will either be gone by the trade deadline or start of next season as an valuable expiring contract who can contribute. Morey will eventually turn him into a nice piece.

My god, this dead weight has been sitting on our team for three years already...so depressing.

SixthStreet · Post #1937 » by **SixthStreet** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:41 am

As a noted Tobias' hater, I have a weird feeling he's going to be pretty good in a more limited role this year. He's clearly 4th on the totem pole and I think he realizes it and awkwardly will embrace it. He'll still get his shot attempts and ISOing and bailout 1v1 offense but he'll get it against weaker defenders and will be more efficient because he'll be able to pick and choose his spots to be aggressive.

By the playoffs he should know exactly what the team needs and expects from him. I choose to be optimistic at this time.

Kolkmania · Post #1938 » by **Kolkmania** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:19 am

From the moment he embraced his 4th option role he was absolutely fine. Sure, not 40 million dollars per year fine, but perfectly serviceable. The salary thing shouldn't weigh too much at this point. Trading him for a player that is worse, but has a better contract does nothing to us at this point.

6'8 wings who can shoot (although he needs to shoot more), can defend wings and doesn't dribble the ball of his foot are valuable.

LloydFree · Post #1939 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:58 pm

The 76ers have to talk to Tobias Harris at the beginning of the season and prepare him for being a 6th man. If the 76ers see at the beginning of the season that Tucker is still playing at a high level, he needs to be the starting PF and the 76ers need to start someone who can guard 2's at the SF. Harden and Maxey can't guard anyone, and Tobias does his best work offensively, against bench players and rookies, anyway.

Tobias got his bag. He needs to embrace the same role David Lee embraced when he was the Warriors highest paid player, coming off the bench.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1940 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:58 pm

LloydFree wrote:The 76ers have to talk to Tobias Harris at the beginning of the season and prepare him for being a 6th man. If the 76ers see at the beginning of the season that Tucker is still playing at a high level, he needs to be the starting PF and the 76ers need to start someone who can guard 2's at the SF. Harden and Maxey can't guard anyone, and Tobias does his best work offensively, against bench players and rookies, anyway.

Tobias got his bag. He needs to embrace the same role David Lee embraced when he was the Warriors highest paid player, coming off the bench.

Would love to start House + Tucker. I’m surprised we couldn’t swing Harris to Dallas (or anywhere else) this summer. The fit really isn’t there.