(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Thread - 40K POINTS+(Part 1)(NO INSULTING)

[Heej]

They were only underdogs in 4 games after ist. Wolves okc (small -3), wolves on b2b pels on b2b with no Bron vs wolves bigger -6.

They started the year 12/1 , they’re now 18/1 abd that’s generous . They’re at bearing 50% missing playoffs , over under drop of 4. Was 47.5 and it was still thst just after ist finals. That is horrendous. Clippers climbed from 20/1 to 12/1, minny n okc 40/1 50/1 to 18/1. And imo we should be behind them . This team is dreadful I continue to be infuriated that Pelinka has a job . Just fir joy this is epm ;

Lebron James: 7 out of 432

Anthony Davis: 10 out of 432

D’Angelo Russel: 145 out of 432

Taurean Prince: 184 out of 432

Cam reddish: 206 out of 432

Rui Hachimura: 242 out of 432

Christian wood: 260 out of 432

Austin reaves: 272 out of 432

Gabe Vincent: 364 out of 432

Jackson Hayes:398 out of 432

Jarred Vanderbilt: 401 out of 432

Max Christie: 405 out of 432

Maxwell Lewis: 430 out of 432

Jalen hood schfino: 432 out of 432

Reaves is also 2nd last in defensive epm . Podz the n19 pick is +0.1 off , -0.2 def and watching him he’s better then a single role player on this team : guy legit hustles takes charges grabs rebounds n shoots better then anyone on this team where a 39 year old Lebron James is the best shooter. It might be time to give up on reaves as being untouchable he purely looks for his own shot too much poor vision …. The defence… and the turnovers are rookie like . The crazy thing is Rui had a near identical year ti this year every year he’s played . None of the guys I listed were top 100 last year except Russel around 90. And he was there till December . I think it’s pure copium to just blame ham . Pelinka clearly never looks at advanced stats ( Russ in Washington was barely a top 100 guy yet he sold the farm for him same with Schroeder).

Ham might need to go but you also need to magic a top 50 guy guard/wing creator n a top 100 defence minded player who can shoot. I disliked the Vando n Rui contracts at the time but god Damn they’re even worse . Heakthy Vincent on average last two years is 100-200.

Pick number 10 ( I really wanted cason somehow I admit I didn’t look OUTSUDE him but thought he’d go around 14), n12,n16,n18,n19 AND N20 and n14 would be legitimate quality top 8 guys on this awfuk team . I know this draft is talented but a low upside bust with no athleticism no shooting who I thought had a nba ready buddy n defebce atleast just makes it worse cos many of those guys I listed woukd make impact to this team. I don’t think it can be under estimated his incompetent this FO is. Even their best area : drafting they jerk off too long wingspan guys who can’t play offebce : look up jhs on tankathon or advanced stats fir a laugh . Atleast if we had magically traded up to get cason Wallace or lively or picked the two guys after us I’d feel less miserable. It’s fun watching rookies hoop. Im st thst point . This team is embarrassingly bad, Rui is a guy who i wasn’t sure woukd get a second contract nvm 51m. These contracts will be just as bad as Westbrook to move .

At this point I pray Bron calls up morey cos I feel like he’d fit there . He would have minimal responsibilities n have to gamble on embid a heakth but could actually contribute to winning n not just ring chase. Unless they can get both a lavine + Caruso/nurray I can’t see it.

Two top ten guys and you can’t compete , no other team has that.

Possible ideal options : okc, minny ( doubtful on both okc more likely n in minny be replaced Conley ), Philly ( best one but embid heakth gamble ), Memphis ( gets most credit best player ), can also see these teams moving for him except okc who might considering how bad giddey is. Pacers ? But not good enough , Mavs ? But same n I don’t like Luka much as a fit . Options can be fun . Gsw stay away from it Boston . Bucks unlikely maybe when Giannis was younger even tho he admires n has brin as goat . Ideally go somewhere that hasn’t won but can. Miami might be ok but they’d need another move ti be favourites b soscing is weird but butler is smart at at extracting value

I’ll feel bad for AD but honestly I’d have more fun. I can’t believe lakers fans think Luka will come here one day or Shai with how poorly run it is vs clippers n clippers money

Thank you I'd try to sell high on Reaves and dump Vincent for Lavine at this point and bet on him making the JR Smith to Cleveland defensive transformation

[nzahir]

They were only underdogs in 4 games after ist. Wolves okc (small -3), wolves on b2b pels on b2b with no Bron vs wolves bigger -6.

They started the year 12/1 , they’re now 18/1 abd that’s generous . They’re at bearing 50% missing playoffs , over under drop of 4. Was 47.5 and it was still thst just after ist finals. That is horrendous. Clippers climbed from 20/1 to 12/1, minny n okc 40/1 50/1 to 18/1. And imo we should be behind them . This team is dreadful I continue to be infuriated that Pelinka has a job . Just fir joy this is epm ;

Lebron James: 7 out of 432

Anthony Davis: 10 out of 432

D’Angelo Russel: 145 out of 432

Taurean Prince: 184 out of 432

Cam reddish: 206 out of 432

Rui Hachimura: 242 out of 432

Christian wood: 260 out of 432

Austin reaves: 272 out of 432

Gabe Vincent: 364 out of 432

Jackson Hayes:398 out of 432

Jarred Vanderbilt: 401 out of 432

Max Christie: 405 out of 432

Maxwell Lewis: 430 out of 432

Jalen hood schfino: 432 out of 432

Reaves is also 2nd last in defensive epm . Podz the n19 pick is +0.1 off , -0.2 def and watching him he’s better then a single role player on this team : guy legit hustles takes charges grabs rebounds n shoots better then anyone on this team where a 39 year old Lebron James is the best shooter. It might be time to give up on reaves as being untouchable he purely looks for his own shot too much poor vision …. The defence… and the turnovers are rookie like . The crazy thing is Rui had a near identical year ti this year every year he’s played . None of the guys I listed were top 100 last year except Russel around 90. And he was there till December . I think it’s pure copium to just blame ham . Pelinka clearly never looks at advanced stats ( Russ in Washington was barely a top 100 guy yet he sold the farm for him same with Schroeder).

Ham might need to go but you also need to magic a top 50 guy guard/wing creator n a top 100 defence minded player who can shoot. I disliked the Vando n Rui contracts at the time but god Damn they’re even worse . Heakthy Vincent on average last two years is 100-200.

Pick number 10 ( I really wanted cason somehow I admit I didn’t look OUTSUDE him but thought he’d go around 14), n12,n16,n18,n19 AND N20 and n14 would be legitimate quality top 8 guys on this awfuk team . I know this draft is talented but a low upside bust with no athleticism no shooting who I thought had a nba ready buddy n defebce atleast just makes it worse cos many of those guys I listed woukd make impact to this team. I don’t think it can be under estimated his incompetent this FO is. Even their best area : drafting they jerk off too long wingspan guys who can’t play offebce : look up jhs on tankathon or advanced stats fir a laugh . Atleast if we had magically traded up to get cason Wallace or lively or picked the two guys after us I’d feel less miserable. It’s fun watching rookies hoop. Im st thst point . This team is embarrassingly bad, Rui is a guy who i wasn’t sure woukd get a second contract nvm 51m. These contracts will be just as bad as Westbrook to move .

At this point I pray Bron calls up morey cos I feel like he’d fit there . He would have minimal responsibilities n have to gamble on embid a heakth but could actually contribute to winning n not just ring chase. Unless they can get both a lavine + Caruso/nurray I can’t see it.

Two top ten guys and you can’t compete , no other team has that.

Possible ideal options : okc, minny ( doubtful on both okc more likely n in minny be replaced Conley ), Philly ( best one but embid heakth gamble ), Memphis ( gets most credit best player ), can also see these teams moving for him except okc who might considering how bad giddey is. Pacers ? But not good enough , Mavs ? But same n I don’t like Luka much as a fit . Options can be fun . Gsw stay away from it Boston . Bucks unlikely maybe when Giannis was younger even tho he admires n has brin as goat . Ideally go somewhere that hasn’t won but can. Miami might be ok but they’d need another move ti be favourites b soscing is weird but butler is smart at at extracting value

I’ll feel bad for AD but honestly I’d have more fun. I can’t believe lakers fans think Luka will come here one day or Shai with how poorly run it is vs clippers n clippers money

Thank you I'd try to sell high on Reaves and dump Vincent for Lavine at this point and bet on him making the JR Smith to Cleveland defensive transformation

You dont sell Reaves rn

Selling him high was this summer

Now selling him would be near a low/fair value

You also dont need Reaves to get Lavine, nobody is going to give up a quality young player on a great contract

Lavine will go for something like a late 1st with some protections, mostly expirings/meh 2 year deals, and maybe 1 okay young prospect

I would include one of JHS or the 29 1st

Rui an Dlo are on decent deals

If we are moving Reaves in this deal it better be something like:

Dlo, Reaves, Vincent, Hayes for Lavine and Caruso

Not throwing in JHS in there unless we are getting back something of value. Could argue to throw in some 2nds or a swap

We still have JHS, swap(s) and the 1st to work with and Rui

Caruso, Lavine, Prince, Bron, AD
?, Christie, Vando, Rui, Wood

JHS, Cam

[Heej]

Has it been since the off target finals Lob that Bron dunked with his left? Sight for sore eyes

[homecourtloss]

I lost out on multiple parlays because LeBron couldn’t make two three-pointers in a game (0/u at 1.5) and here he makes 4 in a row in a couple of minutes. SMH

[Fadeaway_J]

Why is Vando full-court pressuring Ja Morant?

[homecourtloss]

Why is Vando full-court pressuring Ja Morant?

Ham things.

Lakers scored 59:points on 53 shots and they only got there because of that three point barrage by LeBron.

AD and LeBron both played playoff minutes and they still cannot sustain a lead.

Also, it seems like every other team makes 16 or 18 or 20 three-pointers against them, yet ham sandwich refuses to change coverages

[Fadeaway_J]

One technical for running on the court and disrupting a fast break while screaming at the refs

[RRR3]

It's honestly astounding how bad they are considering how healthy their stars have been.

[IG2]

Every team lights it up from 3 in the NBA besides the Lakers.

[1993Playoffs]

Yikes

[Fadeaway_J]

Prediction: this team will not be fine.

[homecourtloss]

This was by far the worst game for them, because they were actually trying to win in this one and they were playing hard, gave up wide, open look after wide, open look and then of course the grizzlies also made a few tough shots.

[RRR3]

They give up wide open looks because Ham refuses to guard the 3PT line. He learned this from Budenholzer. Insane strategy to do when you have AD

[nzahir]

We are falling apart rapidly

Getting to the point of almost no return in terms of the playoffs (without being in the play in)

Need to make deals in the next 2 weeks, cant wait until the deadline to start making moves

Feels like its one of these teams:

Wizards: Jones and Gafford
Cha: Rozier and or Miles Bridges
Bulls: Likely Lavine. I dont see us paying up for AC


Bridges is someone to keep an eye on. Guy seems like a scumbag though, but I can still see us going for it

An athletic wing who is a bit quicker than Rui, can get to the basket and finish better, and a much better shooter than Vando ofc

Would CHA do some soirt of deal arond Rui, Vincent/Dlo, JHS, a 2028 swap, and 1-2 2nds/Lewis for Rozier and Bridges? Assets depend on Dlo vs Vincent

Rozier, Prince, Bridges, Bron, AD
Dlo/Vincent, Reaves, Vando, Wood
Christie, Cam

Can also look at a 3 teamer. Maybe try to get back a backup C, a better backup pg with more size, or another 2/3?

Can also go for Lavine and Bridges. Thats 48m.

But would take Dlo, Vincent, and Rui for salary reasons

[nzahir]

They give up wide open looks because Ham refuses to guard the 3PT line. He learned this from Budenholzer. Insane strategy to do when you have AD

Letting Vogel go to appease Russ for 1/2 a season was horrible

Add that to another one of Pelinka''s blunders

[Mos_Heat]

Well he doesnt LOVE Ham

He also LOVES to win

I am also not talking about this season, but in 1-2 seasons(more likely in 2 seasons)

He will go where his son goes, if Bronny makes it ofc

I truly think playing for 1-2 years where his son is, and hopefully winning there, is the goal

I wonder if he also wants to play with Bryce...

Ok, but what if Bronny doesn't wanna play with him

He wants to win, but he also wants to live in LA. And it seems that living in LA is nearly as important as winning

And you know this how?

He was fine all those years living in Cle, then back to Mia, then back to Cle. Yes he loves LA and it makes it easier for business stuff likely, but I bet if he could leave to go play with his son on a contender, he would

I don't know this, but that's one of the scenarios

[Mos_Heat]

This team only can score if AD and Bron go balls to the wall, just not enough shot creation on the team

[Mos_Heat]

This was by far the worst game for them, because they were actually trying to win in this one and they were playing hard, gave up wide, open look after wide, open look and then of course the grizzlies also made a few tough shots.

AD and Lebron played dumb the whole second half

[GSP]

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[Statlanta]

Late in the game, everyone tired
Davis a mediocre isolation player and below average passer.
LeBron being old and tired not cutting into any space
The role players being low IQ trying to space the floor.