Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[LyricalRico]

TGW, people said the same things about the Miller trade last year - that he was done, that he had another year left on his deal, that Ernie should have done more. But it worked out. Let's give this one the same chance.

[Sluggerface]

Interesting Read on how the trade was actually pulled off

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/2/20 ... de-machine

Nice to know someone know what they are doing regarding the rules.

We shouldn't forget the TPE we got here.

And that extra room might mean a better player then vet min.

I guess when you add it all up, it was a decent little deal they pulled off.

Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside if the fit is right, signed next year so I imagine less cap hold, less money this year, TPE and whatever player we can now add..

Ray Allen ? Who knows.

Exactly.

Exactly what? You honestly believe Sessions is an upgrade? I know your rose-colored glasses want you to think Sessions is better than Miller, but this was not a good trade. Miller was a captain for that second unit—Sessions literally is better at nothing other than maybe penetrating (and missing shots).

Going from 39 to 29 isn't a move made for youth. That's a stupid argument that doesn't apply. At this point, we need players that can contribute and play at a high level, and Sessions doesn't fit that bill. Neither will some bum they sign off the scrap heap for around the vet min.

You're the one wearing glasses if you honestly believe Miller was that good. He was a massive defensive liability, and the only way he can feasibly change a game now is if you invert the floor for him, which Washington just doesn't have the personnel for. Sacramento does (Derrick Williams/Rudy Gay/Cassipi)

[TGW]

You're the one wearing glasses if you honestly believe Miller was that good. He was a massive defensive liability, and the only way he can feasibly change a game now is if you invert the floor for him, which Washington just doesn't have the personnel for. Sacramento does (Derrick Williams/Rudy Gay/Cassipi)

That's the thing...I don't. But at least Miller brought a couple of positives to the table (leadership and good passing). Sessions brings almost nothing to the table. He misses shots and plays terrible defense. He's absolutely no better than Maynor at this point.

[WallToWall]

You're the one wearing glasses if you honestly believe Miller was that good. He was a massive defensive liability, and the only way he can feasibly change a game now is if you invert the floor for him, which Washington just doesn't have the personnel for. Sacramento does (Derrick Williams/Rudy Gay/Cassipi)

That's the thing...I don't. But at least Miller brought a couple of positives to the table (leadership and good passing). Sessions brings almost nothing to the table. He misses shots and plays terrible defense. He's absolutely no better than Maynor at this point.

Keep in mind that EG was probably angling to get Jack here. Sessions was not going to be an answer for anything we needed, except his salary would have made the trade for Jack possible.
I'm sure that EG is pretty angry that that trade for Jack didnt go through.

[nate33]

Here's an offseason trade to consider:

WAS trades: Beal
PHI trades: Noel

I don't think Philly would go for a Noel/Porter swap, but a Noel/Beal swap is probably more enticing. We do it to acquire some young frontcourt talent while also freeing up a bunch of cap room in 2016 (Noel's rookie deal lasts until 2017, whereas Beal was up for a new deal in 2016).

Another consideration is that Ernie is gonna Ernie, which means he'll keep Seraphin. At least Noel is the yang to Seraphin's yin. Noel can't score in the post or on the perimeter, but Seraphin can do a little of both. Meanwhile, Noel's rangy help defense and rebounding makes up for Seraphin's lack of both. Seraphin can defend the burly post players.

Maybe we can find a good SG with our #18-21 draft pick.

[gambitx777]

I would still look into the
Beal and gortat + firsts for DC and stouskus

[rl25g]

Here's an offseason trade to consider:

WAS trades: Beal
PHI trades: Noel

I don't think Philly would go for a Noel/Porter swap, but a Noel/Beal swap is probably more enticing. We do it to acquire some young frontcourt talent while also freeing up a bunch of cap room in 2016 (Noel's rookie deal lasts until 2017, whereas Beal was up for a new deal in 2016).

Another consideration is that Ernie is gonna Ernie, which means he'll keep Seraphin. At least Noel is the yang to Seraphin's yin. Noel can't score in the post or on the perimeter, but Seraphin can do a little of both. Meanwhile, Noel's rangy help defense and rebounding makes up for Seraphin's lack of both. Seraphin can defend the burly post players.

Maybe we can find a good SG with our #18-21 draft pick.

Would do that in a heartbeat. Our defense is HURTING and Noel would fix it in a mighty way.

I would then look to dump Gortat on a team like the Lakers or Knicks who will probably miss out on a big in free agency. To be honest, I'd look to dump Gortat this summer even if we do not make a lateral move.

Maybe go after a Lou Williams after that.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Here's an offseason trade to consider:

WAS trades: Beal
PHI trades: Noel

I don't think Philly would go for a Noel/Porter swap, but a Noel/Beal swap is probably more enticing. We do it to acquire some young frontcourt talent while also freeing up a bunch of cap room in 2016 (Noel's rookie deal lasts until 2017, whereas Beal was up for a new deal in 2016).

Another consideration is that Ernie is gonna Ernie, which means he'll keep Seraphin. At least Noel is the yang to Seraphin's yin. Noel can't score in the post or on the perimeter, but Seraphin can do a little of both. Meanwhile, Noel's rangy help defense and rebounding makes up for Seraphin's lack of both. Seraphin can defend the burly post players.

Maybe we can find a good SG with our #18-21 draft pick.

Would do that in a heartbeat. Our defense is HURTING and Noel would fix it in a mighty way.

I would then look to dump Gortat on a team like the Lakers or Knicks who will probably miss out on a big in free agency. To be honest, I'd look to dump Gortat this summer even if we do not make a lateral move.

Maybe go after a Lou Williams after that.

I doubt Philly parts ways with Noel.

It is no surprise that folks now want Gortat traded. That said, I think Marcin Gortat is the same player as he was.

Pierce doesn’t stop penetration and Humphries doesn't protect the rim, but he's more active than Gortat and he's grabbing a few rebounds from Gortat. On defense Gortat's getting caught on an island guarding quick perimeter players. As the season has progressed Gortat is getting less minutes and less FG attempts. This season Gortat is less effective than last season.

I thought Ariza was even more responsible for the 2013-2014. Wizards success than Gortat. I wanted Washington to make re-signingTrevor their first priority. I thought Ariza was worth 9-10M per for three years. I posted I would sign Tyler Zeller at the minimum and let Gortat walk if that's what it took to retain Ariza. At only 28 years old and such a good fit with Wall and Beal it boggled my mind how easily the Wizards let Ariza walk. He had the best playoffs of any Wizard. The guy is just a complimentary player, but his help defense was beyond good. I was upset at a lot of folks who posted about signing Gortat being a great move and saying Ariza was nothing special.

Pierce signing seemed to make all that moot. But no, as I feared the perimeter defense has taken a hit, chemistry is quickly eroding, and in retrospect it was a bad idea to sign Gortat to that deal--unless changes or a trade occur.

[nate33]

I thought Ariza was even more responsible for the 2013-2014. Wizards success than Gortat. I wanted Washington to make re-signingTrevor their first priority. I thought Ariza was worth 9-10M per for three years. I posted I would sign Tyler Zeller at the minimum and let Gortat walk if that's what it took to retain Ariza. At only 28 years old and such a good fit with Wall and Beal it boggled my mind how easily the Wizards let Ariza walk. He had the best playoffs of any Wizard. The guy is just a complimentary player, but his help defense was beyond good. I was upset at a lot of folks who posted about signing Gortat being a great move and saying Ariza was nothing special.

CCJ, to be fair, I think the team really wanted to keep Ariza too. They were reportedly willing to pay him the same money that Houston offered. Ariza just didn't want to play here anymore. I don't know why.

I like the idea of signing Zeller. He wasn't a free agent though. He's still on his rookie deal which expires in 2016. He could be a guy to target if we ultimately do trade Gortat.

[Earth2Ted]

It is no surprise that folks now want Gortat traded. That said, I think Marcin Gortat is the same player as he was.

Pierce doesn’t stop penetration and Humphries doesn't protect the rim, but he's more active than Gortat and he's grabbing a few rebounds from Gortat. On defense Gortat's getting caught on an island guarding quick perimeter players. As the season has progressed Gortat is getting less minutes and less FG attempts. This season Gortat is less effective than last season.

I thought Ariza was even more responsible for the 2013-2014. Wizards success than Gortat. I wanted Washington to make re-signingTrevor their first priority. I thought Ariza was worth 9-10M per for three years. I posted I would sign Tyler Zeller at the minimum and let Gortat walk if that's what it took to retain Ariza. At only 28 years old and such a good fit with Wall and Beal it boggled my mind how easily the Wizards let Ariza walk. He had the best playoffs of any Wizard. The guy is just a complimentary player, but his help defense was beyond good. I was upset at a lot of folks who posted about signing Gortat being a great move and saying Ariza was nothing special.

Pierce signing seemed to make all that moot. But no, as I feared the perimeter defense has taken a hit, chemistry is quickly eroding, and in retrospect it was a bad idea to sign Gortat to that deal--unless changes or a trade occur.

I think you nailed it- we're really missing that 3 and D that Ariza brought- and these fights over who's supposed to do what on D, all come from Ariza being gone.

I just don't think there was any way to keep him short of maxing him out- it was pretty clear from day 1 that his heart was out west, and that he was leaving when his contract was up. Give him credit for playing hard, being a leader and a pro, in a place he didn't want to be long term.

You may have been right on Gortat's contract- I feel like he's been anything from worse to (over the past month) straight garbage this year even though the numbers aren't that different- at least he gave you the occasional 30 and 15 game like he did against the Pacers in the playoffs. This year it's hard to remember anything except the 4 and 2 on Bobblehead Day. That's why I went from liking the re-signing to wanting to trade him for Brook Lopez. Hopefully we can fix whatever it is that's ailing him, whether it be the flu, injury, or girl trouble- because we are going to be stuck with him for a while.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Yep. Gortat this year reminds me of Hibbert last year. All of a sudden, he has no confidence and his game has fallen off a cliff. Team needs a shrink .

[payitforward]

The thing is, under the new cap guys like DJ are going to be 6 million a year guys. I don't like Jack, but its why having control of a 20 PER Isaiah Thomas for 4 years is an absolute steal.

thats a deal I thought made sense.

But now we have our first still.

And cap room.

And the teams is like 10 years younger just in that one move.

At least I won't have to read about how we are the oldest team in the league anymore. Gotta factor that in, right ?

IT would have made us even younger!

As much as I hate dealing R1 picks, I'd have been hard-pressed not to do it to get him and his contract.

Btw, maybe it was that contract which nixed the deal in Ted/Ernie's minds? Still dreaming of KD...?

[payitforward]

Interesting Read on how the trade was actually pulled off

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/2/20 ... de-machine

Nice to know someone know what they are doing regarding the rules.

We shouldn't forget the TPE we got here.

And that extra room might mean a better player then vet min.

I guess when you add it all up, it was a decent little deal they pulled off.

Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside if the fit is right, signed next year so I imagine less cap hold, less money this year, TPE and whatever player we can now add..

Ray Allen ? Who knows.

Exactly.

This is starting to be really hilarious. Ramon Sessions is a bad NBA player, guys. Not a good one, a bad one. Ok a few years ago but not recently. But you are twisting this to make it look like some coup!

It was a pathetic move, but it was all we could do -- because we lack tradable assets. And we lack such assets because we routinely waste draft picks, trade to get older, and sign meh FAs.

Fortunately, as Hands points out, we are now in a position to sign Ray Allen -- another "Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside," right? Well he does shoot 3's.

You think we'll be announcing any time soon that we've signed Ray Allen?

[queridiculo]

CCJ, to be fair, I think the team really wanted to keep Ariza too. They were reportedly willing to pay him the same money that Houston offered. Ariza just didn't want to play here anymore. I don't know why.

I like the idea of signing Zeller. He wasn't a free agent though. He's still on his rookie deal which expires in 2016. He could be a guy to target if we ultimately do trade Gortat.

The subtext that I read from how the Ariza thing went down was basically Ariza feeling lowballed by the Wizards, and then opting to sign with Houston as a **** you.

It's also worth considering how Ernie tried to deal Ariza time and time again, drafted his replacement in Porter and then extended Webster.

Sometimes showing players that they're wanted goes a long way...

[Wizardspride]

CCJ, to be fair, I think the team really wanted to keep Ariza too. They were reportedly willing to pay him the same money that Houston offered. Ariza just didn't want to play here anymore. I don't know why.

I like the idea of signing Zeller. He wasn't a free agent though. He's still on his rookie deal which expires in 2016. He could be a guy to target if we ultimately do trade Gortat.

The subtext that I read from how the Ariza thing went down was basically Ariza feeling lowballed by the Wizards, and then opting to sign with Houston as a **** you.

It's also worth considering how Ernie tried to deal Ariza time and time again, drafted his replacement in Porter and then extended Webster.

Sometimes showing players that they're wanted goes a long way...

Ernie tried to deal Ariza because Ariza had let it be known that he wasn't happy in DC.

At least he wasn't happy until his final year here.


Read that in the Post.

[gambitx777]

This is starting to be really hilarious. Ramon Sessions is a bad NBA player, guys. Not a good one, a bad one. Ok a few years ago but not recently. But you are twisting this to make it look like some coup!

It was a pathetic move, but it was all we could do -- because we lack tradable assets. And we lack such assets because we routinely waste draft picks, trade to get older, and sign meh FAs.

Fortunately, as Hands points out, we are now in a position to sign Ray Allen -- another "Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside," right? Well he does shoot 3's.

You think we'll be announcing any time soon that we've signed Ray Allen?

Sessions is not a bad player, he is on a down year, last year we would have killed for him over miller! Give sessions a chance.

[Dark Faze]

why?

why do we have to be the team that tries to take chances on players when there are plenty of guys who AREN'T having historically inefficient seasons.

why can't we ever just acquire players who are actually really good? i'm tired of guys on this forum acting like its hard to do. its not.

[gambitx777]

I can understand what you are saying ! We should have moved Webster, we should have traded kevin, but it is what it is. Let just hope that getting destroyed 2 games (soon to be 3) in a row, might cause some changes to take place.

[Jimmy Recard]

I thought Ariza was even more responsible for the 2013-2014. Wizards success than Gortat. I wanted Washington to make re-signingTrevor their first priority. I thought Ariza was worth 9-10M per for three years. I posted I would sign Tyler Zeller at the minimum and let Gortat walk if that's what it took to retain Ariza. At only 28 years old and such a good fit with Wall and Beal it boggled my mind how easily the Wizards let Ariza walk. He had the best playoffs of any Wizard. The guy is just a complimentary player, but his help defense was beyond good. I was upset at a lot of folks who posted about signing Gortat being a great move and saying Ariza was nothing special.

CCJ, to be fair, I think the team really wanted to keep Ariza too. They were reportedly willing to pay him the same money that Houston offered. Ariza just didn't want to play here anymore. I don't know why.

I like the idea of signing Zeller. He wasn't a free agent though. He's still on his rookie deal which expires in 2016. He could be a guy to target if we ultimately do trade Gortat.

Pretty sure Ariza said he wanted to stay. You're forgetting that there's no state income tax in Houston. Ariza wanted the Wiz FO to up their offer to compensate, but they said no.

The big mistake was giving Martell 4/22 a year and a half ago. No doubt Trevor would prbably still be here if we didn't re-sign Webster to that deal.

[LyricalRico]

Here's an offseason trade to consider:

WAS trades: Beal
PHI trades: Noel

I don't think Philly would go for a Noel/Porter swap, but a Noel/Beal swap is probably more enticing. We do it to acquire some young frontcourt talent while also freeing up a bunch of cap room in 2016 (Noel's rookie deal lasts until 2017, whereas Beal was up for a new deal in 2016).

Eh, doesn't excite me. And the financial benefit would actually be a reason for Philly to keep Noel rather than pay Beal.