The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Scarface844]

Y'all are crazy. Amir has a year left. Ennis on a rookie deal with a much higher ceiling. But you guys need Amir. Another one of those rare "bad for both teams" deals. Seen a few around here of late.

Frankly, I think we just went with the player we perceived to be BPA. There's but one projected starting PG in next year's draft, which means that he'll probably maintain his value if we decide to keep him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we moved him in next year's draft.

I think it's possible we might trade him for a player on a rookie contract, or for a player and a pick. Outside possibility, perhaps, of S&T for Monroe (but I doubt we can put him on a contract we like). But I really don't see us moving him this year.

Amir is a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. He's loved around the NBA. His impact on the game is huge. Also he's our Haslem. We can't disrupt the chemistry we have. Amir for Ennis is just way to high a asking price. I don't think you guys want a repeat of Kendall Marshall again.

If you guys keep Bledsoe, Ennis has no place on your roster. His style of play doesn't mesh with you guys. Every team in the league is pretty much set at the PG spot so I highly doubt you guys could get a future first for Ennis but who knows. Hopefully the Raps & the Suns can work out something reasonable.

[bwoolf2]

Y'all are crazy. Amir has a year left. Ennis on a rookie deal with a much higher ceiling. But you guys need Amir. Another one of those rare "bad for both teams" deals. Seen a few around here of late.

Frankly, I think we just went with the player we perceived to be BPA. There's but one projected starting PG in next year's draft, which means that he'll probably maintain his value if we decide to keep him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we moved him in next year's draft.

I think it's possible we might trade him for a player on a rookie contract, or for a player and a pick. Outside possibility, perhaps, of S&T for Monroe (but I doubt we can put him on a contract we like). But I really don't see us moving him this year.

Amir is a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. He's loved around the NBA. His impact on the game is huge. Also he's our Haslem. We can't disrupt the chemistry we have. Amir for Ennis is just way to high a asking price. I don't think you guys want a repeat of Kendall Marshall again.

If you guys keep Bledsoe, Ennis has no place on your roster. His style of play doesn't mesh with you guys. Every team in the league is pretty much set at the PG spot so I highly doubt you guys could get a future first for Ennis but who knows. Hopefully the Raps & the Suns can work out something reasonable.

I actually think Ennis is more protection on Goran getting a big offer next year we dont want to match and replacing him in a dual PG back court with Ennis as the more prototypical PG rather than 2 scoring PG's.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Y'all are crazy. Amir has a year left. Ennis on a rookie deal with a much higher ceiling. But you guys need Amir. Another one of those rare "bad for both teams" deals. Seen a few around here of late.

Frankly, I think we just went with the player we perceived to be BPA. There's but one projected starting PG in next year's draft, which means that he'll probably maintain his value if we decide to keep him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we moved him in next year's draft.

I think it's possible we might trade him for a player on a rookie contract, or for a player and a pick. Outside possibility, perhaps, of S&T for Monroe (but I doubt we can put him on a contract we like). But I really don't see us moving him this year.

Amir is a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. He's loved around the NBA. His impact on the game is huge. Also he's our Haslem. We can't disrupt the chemistry we have. Amir for Ennis is just way to high a asking price. I don't think you guys want a repeat of Kendall Marshall again.

If you guys keep Bledsoe, Ennis has no place on your roster. His style of play doesn't mesh with you guys. Every team in the league is pretty much set at the PG spot so I highly doubt you guys could get a future first for Ennis but who knows. Hopefully the Raps & the Suns can work out something reasonable.

I don't think anything in my post contradicts what you say, but these statements seem to simply ignore my points.

As far as the league is set at the PG spot thing, tell that to Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Indiana, Lakers, Miami, Milwaukee, New York, and Sacramento. And you ignored what I said about next year's draft. You could say the same thing about power forwards. Furthermore, this awesome era for PGs may not last that long, as injuries and age start to take their toll. Just...

Edit: one more thing. We just used the #18 on him. You really think we couldn't have gotten a future first for the #18? You think we purchased a lemon? If so, then why are we even talking?

[aIvin adams]

hard to imagine ennis isn't worth a future first

he was unanimously considered a late lotto first round type pick in this guard-heavy draft, soo..

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Edit: one more thing. We just used the #18 on him. You really think we couldn't have gotten a future first for the #18? You think we purchased a lemon? If so, then why are we even talking?

yah

[Scarface844]

I actually think Ennis is more protection on Goran getting a big offer next year we dont want to match and replacing him in a dual PG back court with Ennis as the more prototypical PG rather than 2 scoring PG's.

Ennis would be a terrible fit though. Goran and Bledsoe work together so well because of they're chemistry, uptempp style of play and combo guard abilities.

Ennis already has trouble shooting and he plays a very slow style of ball. Doesn't like to push the ball in transition. Put Bledsoe beside him, not only is the defense compromised but so is the shooting in the backcourt and you have 1 less scoring option.

[Saberestar]

Y'all are crazy. Amir has a year left. Ennis on a rookie deal with a much higher ceiling. But you guys need Amir. Another one of those rare "bad for both teams" deals. Seen a few around here of late.

Frankly, I think we just went with the player we perceived to be BPA. There's but one projected starting PG in next year's draft, which means that he'll probably maintain his value if we decide to keep him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we moved him in next year's draft.

I think it's possible we might trade him for a player on a rookie contract, or for a player and a pick. Outside possibility, perhaps, of S&T for Monroe (but I doubt we can put him on a contract we like). But I really don't see us moving him this year.

Amir is a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. He's loved around the NBA. His impact on the game is huge. Also he's our Haslem. We can't disrupt the chemistry we have. Amir for Ennis is just way to high a asking price. I don't think you guys want a repeat of Kendall Marshall again.

If you guys keep Bledsoe, Ennis has no place on your roster. His style of play doesn't mesh with you guys. Every team in the league is pretty much set at the PG spot so I highly doubt you guys could get a future first for Ennis but who knows. Hopefully the Raps & the Suns can work out something reasonable.

What do you think Toronto would give for Ennis?

[bwoolf2]

I actually think Ennis is more protection on Goran getting a big offer next year we dont want to match and replacing him in a dual PG back court with Ennis as the more prototypical PG rather than 2 scoring PG's.

Ennis would be a terrible fit though. Goran and Bledsoe work together so well because of they're chemistry, uptempp style of play and combo guard abilities.

Ennis already has trouble shooting and he plays a very slow style of ball. Doesn't like to push the ball in transition. Put Bledsoe beside him, not only is the defense compromised but so is the shooting in the backcourt and you have 1 less scoring option.

You make a lot of assumption about Ennis there. I dont think the Suns would have drafted him if he didnt fit what they wanted to do. And I watched every summer league game and think he will actually fit in very well with what the Suns want to do and the style they play.

[Scarface844]

I don't think anything in my post contradicts what you say, but these statements seem to simply ignore my points.

As far as the league is set at the PG spot thing, tell that to Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Indiana, Lakers, Miami, Milwaukee, New York, and Sacramento. And you ignored what I said about next year's draft. You could say the same thing about power forwards. Furthermore, this awesome era for PGs may not last that long, as injuries and age start to take their toll. Just...

Edit: one more thing. We just used the #18 on him. You really think we couldn't have gotten a future first for the #18? You think we purchased a lemon? If so, then why are we even talking?

Next years draft is a year away. We have no idea who or what is gonna be in the draft. We have no idea what the circumstances will be with you guys, us and other teams a year from now.

Just like how you can say we can easily move him in next years draft because it won't be guard heavy, I can say, teams will already be set at that position. We simply dont know.

Amir and Ennis are no comparison. Amir's is highly valued around the league and asking to give up Amir for Ennis is us overpaying by a lot. I highly doubt a future first for Ennis is possible but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

[Scarface844]

What do you think Toronto would give for Ennis?

I honestly don't know. What would you guys want? Keep in mind both of our teams have 2 young, bright executives so it has to be something reasonable.

Bryan Colangelo isnt our GM anymore . Masai tends to get fair deals done so I know if a deal was finalized it'd be something reasonable for both sides.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Amir and Ennis are no comparison. Amir's is highly valued around the league and asking to give up Amir for Ennis is us overpaying by a lot. I highly doubt a future first for Ennis is possible but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

It's as if you didn't even read my post. I said it would be bad for both teams. But as far as "overpaying," teams trade contracts, not players. So many people seem not to understand this. Again I say to you,

[Scarface844]

It's as if you didn't even read my post. I said it would be bad for both teams. But as far as "overpaying," teams trade contracts, not players. So many people seem not to understand this. Again I say to you,

I actually think Amir would be great for you guys and Ennis would be great for us but it doesn't mean Ennis for Amir is a good deal.

I don't get what your getting at with teams trade contracts not players. Raptors want Ennis because of Ennis not because of his contract.

If you guys tried to use his "contract" in something like a Munroe S&T that's pointless. Why give up something of value for a player you can sign outright? You have the cap space for both Bledsoe & Munroe with or without S&T

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It's as if you didn't even read my post. I said it would be bad for both teams. But as far as "overpaying," teams trade contracts, not players. So many people seem not to understand this. Again I say to you,

I actually think Amir would be great for you guys.

So would Channing.

What do you think he'll ask for with his next contract, you know, after this season, because the league will continue beyond this year? Because we have Ennis locked for the next 4 years, and RFA after that.

[Scarface844]

So would Channing.

What do you think he'll ask for with his next contract, you know, after this season, because the league will continue beyond this year? Because we have Ennis locked for the next 4 years, and RFA after that.

If your talking about Amir it'd be 6-6.5 million. Hes getting 7 million now but only 5 million is guaranteed for next season.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

So would Channing.

What do you think he'll ask for with his next contract, you know, after this season, because the league will continue beyond this year? Because we have Ennis locked for the next 4 years, and RFA after that.

6 million or around that price range.

Wow. He's so awesome he's going to ask for a reduction as league revenues increase. Tell you what, you re-sign him to that for 4 years, then we'll talk. *talk* because Ennis is 19, has upside, and costs $1.5 mil/per.

[Saberestar]

What do you think Toronto would give for Ennis?

I honestly don't know. What would you guys want? Keep in mind both of our teams have 2 young, bright executives so it has to be something reasonable.

Bryan Colangelo isnt our GM anymore . Masai tends to get fair deals done so I know if a deal was finalized it'd be something reasonable for both sides.

I don't know...probably a three team trade.

[Scarface844]

Wow. He's so awesome he's going to ask for a reduction as league revenues increase. Tell you what, you re-sign him to that for 4 years, then we'll talk. *talk* because Ennis is 19, has upside, and costs $1.5 mil/per.

6-7 million is reasonable and its about what he's expected to get. I don't know why your so worked up over this. Amir would never get traded for Ennis.

It's nothing against Ennis or the Suns but Amir is a completely different player then Ennis, a proven player and one of the most impactful players in the league statistically.

He's a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. Do some of the research on Amir's impact on the court and how highly regarded he is in the NBA. I like Ennis but he's simply not worth Amir and again I don't mean that as disrespect.

Ennis at 1.5 million and his upside is irrelvent in this discussion because Amir is a completely different player. Hes a young veteran who already has stats to backup his trade value.

[RunDogGun]

Is there a link to the interview? And if so, can someone post it.

Please and thank you.

http://WWW.SUNS.COM is the first place I looked. I know its a little hidden and probably a bit unknown

Thanks, I was checking the nba.com (suns).

I like how McD is setting this team up, and like I said last year, it seemed as if we had a bunch of hungry players wanting to prove themselves. And as sure as sh*t, Ryan said he was searching for hungry players to change the culture of the team.

I'm looking forward to seeing these guys play.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

He's a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. Do some of the research on Amir's impact on the court and how highly regarded he is in the NBA. I like Ennis but he's simply not worth Amir and again I don't mean that as disrespect.

Ennis at 1.5 million and his upside is irrelvent in this discussion because Amir is a completely different player. Hes a young veteran who already has stats to backup his trade value.

[Scarface844]

We both disagree and we both have different perspectives on the topic. I didn't come here to disrespect you guys, just to find out some info. Lets leave it at that.

[Qwigglez]

Wasn't there a rumor of being a trade of Ryan Anderson for Gerald Green and a 1st? Was that pick suppose to be the 18th (Ennis)?
How about this three team trade.

Suns get-
Ryan Anderson

Pelicans get-
Gerald Green
Amir Johnson

Raptors get-
Austin Rivers
Tyler Ennis
Shavlik Randolph