Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Old man keeps fuxking around every summer and missing out on Bams boys and an every other major improvement it might come a time where Bam decides it’s time to move on. If Mitchell doesn’t extend and Pat still can’t land him after the Knicks and Nets removing themselves from the race that’ll be 3 summers in a row now Pat can’t get it done. Is it likely Bam wants out? No. But if this keeps happening every summer while other teams aren’t scared and swing for the fences to give themselves the best chance to win he could start opening up to it

I don't understand why Heat fans want to start speaking this into some sort of reality when there are no signs of it being the case. Dude was drafted #14 and has been nothing but empowered by Miami ever since. Bam has flourished as a result.

3X All-Star, 5x All-defense, 2 finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances. All in his first 7 seasons in the NBA.

We're all frustrated that Miami hasn't been able to make a move to get over the hump and are stuck with some contracts that were clear mistakes. But, if Bam is being failed by Miami, then what Star player hasn't been utterly failed by their franchise?

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

James Wiseman available as Hassan 2.0 project get him for minimum to be the 3rd C (replace Orlando) and maybe eventually back up.

I wouldn’t mind this project

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Bishop45]

James Wiseman available as Hassan 2.0 project get him for minimum to be the 3rd C (replace Orlando) and maybe eventually back up.

I wouldn’t mind this project

I would, let's not waste time and opportunity that could be used for someone more deserving.

Whiteside was a headcase, Wiseman just isn't ready for this stage

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[greg4012]

Old man keeps fuxking around every summer and missing out on Bams boys and an every other major improvement it might come a time where Bam decides it’s time to move on. If Mitchell doesn’t extend and Pat still can’t land him after the Knicks and Nets removing themselves from the race that’ll be 3 summers in a row now Pat can’t get it done. Is it likely Bam wants out? No. But if this keeps happening every summer while other teams aren’t scared and swing for the fences to give themselves the best chance to win he could start opening up to it

I don't understand why Heat fans want to start speaking this into some sort of reality when there are no signs of it being the case. Dude was drafted #14 and has been nothing but empowered by Miami ever since. Bam has flourished as a result.

3X All-Star, 5x All-defense, 2 finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances. All in his first 7 seasons in the NBA.

We're all frustrated that Miami hasn't been able to make a move to get over the hump and are stuck with some contracts that were clear mistakes. But, if Bam is being failed by Miami, then what Star player hasn't been utterly failed by their franchise?

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

Half of what I listed aren't awards. They're team successes that very few players have ever matched in their first 7 seasons in the league. Out of those you listed, only the Boston duo, Giannis and Siakam have experienced similar. And Siakam has since changed teams because it was a one-off and Giannis has a new coach every day. Both of those guys have multiple seasons on Bam too.

No one on this message board disagrees with the notion that Miami needs to shake up the roster. Many are sober to other factors involved that affect how they can do so. One of those is timing. Let's see what happens this offseason. Maybe nothing.

You can keep going full crybaby. That's your right. I've been there. I usually like to stay grounded in logic and understanding tho. Hence here I am responding to some of the inconsistencies coming out in your service to outrage.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't understand why Heat fans want to start speaking this into some sort of reality when there are no signs of it being the case. Dude was drafted #14 and has been nothing but empowered by Miami ever since. Bam has flourished as a result.

3X All-Star, 5x All-defense, 2 finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances. All in his first 7 seasons in the NBA.

We're all frustrated that Miami hasn't been able to make a move to get over the hump and are stuck with some contracts that were clear mistakes. But, if Bam is being failed by Miami, then what Star player hasn't been utterly failed by their franchise?

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

Half of what I listed aren't awards. They're team successes that very few players have ever matched in their first 7 seasons in the league. Out of those you listed, only the Boston duo, Giannis and Siakam have experienced similar. And Siakam has since changed teams because it was a one-off and Giannis has a new coach every day. Both of those guys have multiple seasons on Bam too.

No one on this message board disagrees with the notion that Miami needs to shake up the roster. Many are sober to other factors involved that affect how they can do so. One of those is timing. Let's see what happens this offseason. Maybe nothing.

You can keep going full crybaby. That's your right. I've been there. I usually like to stay grounded in logic and understanding tho. Hence here I am responding to some of the inconsistencies coming out in your service to outrage.

The deep runs on the backs of Jimmy/Bam/Spos elite impact just further justify the frustrations I’m speaking on. Do your job and get a legit supporting cast and we might be able to say none of those duos have similar or more success than ours.

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[greg4012]

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

Half of what I listed aren't awards. They're team successes that very few players have ever matched in their first 7 seasons in the league. Out of those you listed, only the Boston duo, Giannis and Siakam have experienced similar. And Siakam has since changed teams because it was a one-off and Giannis has a new coach every day. Both of those guys have multiple seasons on Bam too.

No one on this message board disagrees with the notion that Miami needs to shake up the roster. Many are sober to other factors involved that affect how they can do so. One of those is timing. Let's see what happens this offseason. Maybe nothing.

You can keep going full crybaby. That's your right. I've been there. I usually like to stay grounded in logic and understanding tho. Hence here I am responding to some of the inconsistencies coming out in your service to outrage.

The deep runs on the backs of Jimmy/Bam/Spos elite impact just further justify the frustrations I’m speaking on. Do your job and get a legit supporting cast and we might be able to say none of those duos have similar or more success than ours.

Ok I'm working on it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Half of what I listed aren't awards. They're team successes that very few players have ever matched in their first 7 seasons in the league. Out of those you listed, only the Boston duo, Giannis and Siakam have experienced similar. And Siakam has since changed teams because it was a one-off and Giannis has a new coach every day. Both of those guys have multiple seasons on Bam too.

No one on this message board disagrees with the notion that Miami needs to shake up the roster. Many are sober to other factors involved that affect how they can do so. One of those is timing. Let's see what happens this offseason. Maybe nothing.

You can keep going full crybaby. That's your right. I've been there. I usually like to stay grounded in logic and understanding tho. Hence here I am responding to some of the inconsistencies coming out in your service to outrage.

The deep runs on the backs of Jimmy/Bam/Spos elite impact just further justify the frustrations I’m speaking on. Do your job and get a legit supporting cast and we might be able to say none of those duos have similar or more success than ours.

Ok I'm working on it

There you go!!!

That’s pretty funny, I knew that would likely be the response by my wording

[twix2500]

James Wiseman available as Hassan 2.0 project get him for minimum to be the 3rd C (replace Orlando) and maybe eventually back up.

I wouldn’t mind this project

I would, let's not waste time and opportunity that could be used for someone more deserving.

Whiteside was a headcase, Wiseman just isn't ready for this stage

I liked the idea of the Spo and Wiseman. I think Wiseman has natural a game like how Spo used Bosh. When Bosh got to Miami he wasnt a three point shooter but he had a natural jump shot. Wiseman is not a three point shooter but he has a natural jump shot that would flourish under Spo.

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Hope this is a milking the deal tactic.

[Rapaz]

Changing your character just to reply on a post. I applaud the commitment

Best time of the year.

Soon Cubano will start frying his nuggets, wAtchOut will make an appearance, and I'll chitpost us through the summer and into October.

I Nuggeted out brother, sad days keep coming, the realization is hitting at first I played the part about wanting to trade Jimmy and pivot, now more than ever it seems that is the only way this makes sense. At some point you have to stop spending draft capital, and save that **** for real talent. Makes the mid season Rozier trade seem like absolute hog wash in hindsight.

It’s such a shame what that arrogant old bastard has done to your once-proud franchise. La Rochefoucauld said that hope is the last thing that dies in man. How sad that Fraudpapa incinerated your hope long ago. Had he made a fair offer for Lillard,* we could have made it work.

*Bam, Lowry and all the picks and pick swaps for the next three decades

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Hope this is a milking the deal tactic.

Could be, we all know by now these media guys are just used as a negotiation tactic at this point and whoever does their bidding gets in good graces and gets the 1st reports

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[twix2500]

I think the Heat are gonna keep Butler, and utilize their leverage. Teams caproom this summer will not be the same teams caproom next summer. Butler will be a year older and a good chance his market value will be smaller as well. Teams like the 76ers are not gonna sit with open capspace. They are gonna use it now, so a good chance that if Butler wants to leave next summer, it will likely need to be a sign and trade to his prefured team.

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I always thought it didnt make any scense to keep their formula. If Houston is willing to load Pheonix up with draft picks for Durant. That is the move they need to make. And possible use those picks to trade Beal.

The 2nd apron is a real bad place to be in. Bucks and Suns gotta adjust.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rough situation for Phoenix if true. Whats the most you can possibly get for the soon to be 36 year old KD? It would be less than what he was sent to Phoenix for and less than what Bridges just went for I would guess. Who are even the suitors for him that age? He doesn’t fit the rockets timeline as Stephen A mentioned.

Then how does Booker feel about all of it? Suns will likely be taking a step back by trading him at least for a year or 2 minimum.

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Unwillingness is probably due to them wanting to get the most out of Butler. Trading him at his age and mileage, and that giant salary is a no brainer. With Embiid’s health, the sixers window to a deep run at a championship is closing. I say hes got about 2-3 years left at his level before he starts to decline. Send him Butler.. but we need expirings and some firsts, even if theyre lottery protected

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Dude is getting traded every season now. Wtf.