2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[MrBigShot]

Dread it, run from it, Nikola Jokic arrives all the same

[Lakers In 5]

The MVP came to play tonight.

[kazyv]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

[MrPainfulTruth]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

1. More wins => Lazy argument. We saw what team surrounds him in those last two games.
2. He has not been individually better. He wasnt even close to what Jokic did. Hes an amazing player nontheless but your claim is ridiculous.
3. If it is so easy for centers to pick up stats, show us all the others who do or did it? Because, you know, Jokic just recorded a double triple double, the first in the history of the league. But hey, hes a center so i guess it was easy...

[MrPainfulTruth]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

1. More wins => Lazy argument. We saw what team surrounds him in those last two games.
2. He has not been individually better. He wasnt even close to what Jokic did. Hes an amazing player nontheless but your claim is ridiculous.
3. If it is so easy for centers to pick up stats, show us all the others who do or did it? Because, you know, Jokic just recorded a 30 20 20 double triple double, the first in the history of the league. But hey, hes a center so i guess it was easy...

[kazyv]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

1. More wins => Lazy argument. We saw what team surrounds him in those last two games.
2. He has not been individually better. He wasnt even close to what Jokic did. Hes an amazing player nontheless but your claim is ridiculous.
3. If it is so easy for centers to pick up stats, show us all the others who do or did it? Because, you know, Jokic just recorded a double triple double, the first in the history of the league. But hey, hes a center so i guess it was easy...

I'm sure the kings copied some handoff action which lead to Sabonis averaging 19/14/8 last season. Hell, even sixers tried doing some of it, which had Embiid averaging 5.6 in last season compared to his 4.2 the season before. Also, I'm not saying it's easy for a center to pickup stats, but a good center is expected to/will pick up rebounds, as he is playing closer to the basket.

Also, I have said it before, but wins are the ultimate proof of VALUE, we don't have the truth machine or the ultimate advanced stats but chances are, in 50 to 100 years, whatever kinda stats we have will tell us that the top players on the top teams brought a lot of value to their teams

[Lakers In 5]

Look, it's perfectly fine to think Gilgeous-Alexander should win MVP. There is a more than solid case to be made for either. Stating he 'performed more constantly at a higher level' is just taking a stroll with reality, as Jokic is top 3 in four of the five statistical categories, and top 10 in many others, 3P shooting amongst them. It does not get more high level and constant than that.

[kazyv]

Look, it's perfectly fine to think Gilgeous-Alexander should win MVP. There is a more than solid case to be made for either. Stating he 'performed more constantly at a higher level' is just taking a stroll with reality, as Jokic is top 3 in four of the five statistical categories, and top 10 in many others, 3P shooting amongst them. It does not get more high level and constant than that.

you're just repeating "more stats more gooder" mantra. ofc it does get more constant than whatever kinda season the nuggets put together. except for februrary, they are the definition of win one, lose one team. and guess what, whenever jokic underperformed, they lost. figures that the nuggets lost so many.

you simply can't tell me that jokic/nuggets have played to their standard, they haven't. they have been inconsistent and underperformed this season.

[Exp0sed]

Look, it's perfectly fine to think Gilgeous-Alexander should win MVP. There is a more than solid case to be made for either. Stating he 'performed more constantly at a higher level' is just taking a stroll with reality, as Jokic is top 3 in four of the five statistical categories, and top 10 in many others, 3P shooting amongst them. It does not get more high level and constant than that.

you're just repeating "more stats more gooder" mantra. ofc it does get more constant than whatever kinda season the nuggets put together. except for februrary, they are the definition of win one, lose one team. and guess what, whenever jokic underperformed, they lost. figures that the nuggets lost so many.

you simply can't tell me that jokic/nuggets have played to their standard, they haven't. they have been inconsistent and underperformed this season.

Underperformed? relative to what, preseason expectations?

First of all they have almost twice as many wins as they do losses so it's def not "win one, lose one", more like win two, lose one

secondly, they lost a key vet starter in the offseason and replaced him with a 3rd year player who was a 6th man the season before. They had to incorporate WB as the new 6th man

Murray started the season downright awful (as he usually does) and AG whose an important starter and their most versatile defender has missed half the season

Jokic missed 3 straight games on baby watch and week to week they were playing different lineups as minor injuries kept piling on. The Nuggets aren't a deep team, every time a guy like MPJ misses a week or Watson misses a month, they are relegated to playing G-league lvl talents like Tyson and Pickett

Most of the season (before Nnaji came back from injury and Malone realized he's serviceable), DAJ was playing most of the backup C mins..

They won 57 games last season with Jokic playing more games and being generally pretty healthy, they'll probably win about 52 this season with losing KCP for nothing and not being as healthy (tough to build continuity, especially on D), i dont know if i'd call that "underperforming" in the blood bath West

Lakers, Houston and Memphis all have 40-41 wins, it's possible the Nuggets and Okc are gonna be the only teams in the West to win 50 games, that should tell u something

[Zadeh]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

Realy ???

Do you really think "SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing." than Jokic ???

if it so, maybe you try to watch another sport because basketball is not for you ?

Because at two of your three arguments(constantly, higher level, higher standing) Jokic so much better than SGA, for other one they are 1-2 but not because of SGA, because Calvin Booth can't work in thunder FO even as a bellboy.

There was too many 30+ points scorer in nba (and easier to score now) this is not a new feat, World B. Free, Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantley, George Gervin etc.

Since duncan nobody is more consistent than Jokic and Jokic performed highest level in nba history this year.

There is to many 30+ points scorer in this league history like SGA, player like Jokic only one (Larry Bird).

[QPR]

That was incredibly impressive from Jokic. 81 minutes over a back to back, with a sore elbow, and he produces that on the second night.

[Exp0sed]

That was incredibly impressive from Jokic. 81 minutes over a back to back, with a sore elbow, and he produces that on the second night.

43 mins against the Suns in OT just prior

It's worth noting tho, that the Nuggets sold out on not being beaten by SGA and Dort, Wiggins etc. were left wide open beyond the 3 pt line and the nail was open all game for IT, Caruso etc. might not be reflected in the stats but SGA deserves the credit for that nonetheless

[zimpy27]

Lakers falling apart without LeBron in 1.05 games, hopefully he come back soon. Can't hurt his votes

[brackdan70]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

Nah I just want him to have the best season rather than the second best. SGA is having a phenomenal season but Jokic is having a better one.

[brackdan70]

Lakers falling apart without LeBron in 1.05 games, hopefully he come back soon. Can't hurt his votes

Is he really on the conversation at all?
I mean who is voting him as a top 5 player this season?

[Wolfgang630]

Yeah, give Jokic the MVP. MVP fatigue is a silly reason not to give a guy the MVP. If he's putting up league historical numbers and the guy's team is lottery level when he's off the floor, then that guy should win MVP.

MVP fatigue isn't the reason he won't be getting it. the reason is that over the course of the season, SGA performed more constantly at a higher level and lifted OKC to a higher standing.

like imagine SGA not getting it. what more do you want him to do. score 40 ppg and win 75 games? is that the standard because he isn't a center and can't pick up tripple doubles as easily?

I’m not sure what games you’re watching. SGA isn’t performing more constantly at a higher level than Jokic.

[JDR720]

SGA will end up winning due to team record, but it'll be close. Jokic is better, but they're not going to keep giving him MVP if there is a legit competitor. This is like when LeBron and MJ didn't win MVP every season in their primes, even though they were the best player every season.

[zimpy27]

Lakers falling apart without LeBron in 1.05 games, hopefully he come back soon. Can't hurt his votes

Is he really on the conversation at all?
I mean who is voting him as a top 5 player this season?

I think a few will.

Kendrick Perkins had him 3rd on his ballot for example

[Special_Puppy]

Glad they split the games and SGA and Jokic played about the same so we can keep arguing about it

[Special_Puppy]

Nuggets on a back to back

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