The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

Scarface844 · Post #1961 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:53 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Wasn't there a rumor of being a trade of Ryan Anderson for Gerald Green and a 1st? Was that pick suppose to be the 18th (Ennis)?
How about this three team trade.

Suns get-
Ryan Anderson

Pelicans get-
Gerald Green
Amir Johnson

Raptors get-
Austin Rivers
Tyler Ennis
Shavlik Randolph

You guys are really underrating Amir Johnson. Pelicans get the best deal/players in that scenario and we get the worst. His impact is that of a star according to advanced stats.

He does so many little things on the floor that don't show up in the box score. He's also the 8th best rim protector and he's our Haslem. Really important for the Chemistry of our team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/st ... to-raptors
http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s ... rotectors/

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1962 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:56 pm

Scarface844 wrote:You guys are really underrating Amir Johnson.

You're the one who said he could be signed for $6mil per.

Revived · Post #1963 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:57 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I would trade Len/Bledsoe/Green/Archie/Lakers 1st/Suns 1st (2016 & 2018) for Andre Drummond, and not even because of the leaked picture he sent out of his ex-girlfriend.

Maybe NSFW, mods don't ban me
Spoiler:

Its ok, i watch Sam & Cat, but for Ariana Grande instead.

Scarface844 · Post #1964 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:57 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
Scarface844 wrote:You guys are really underrating Amir Johnson.

You're the one who said he could be signed for $6mil per.

6-7 million is his projected price range yeah. 6 million is the starting range. Probably end at 6.5. 7 is also possible though unlikely.

rottenbanana36 · Post #1965 » by **rottenbanana36** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:11 pm

I think where there is a disconnect is that if he is as valuable as you make him sound. Top 8 rim protector.. does all these small things.. star level impact according to advanced stats.. there's no way he's going to re-sign for 6.5-7M/yr. Frye just got 4/$32 and he's older coming off of a heart condition one year ago!

Scarface844 · Post #1966 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:26 pm

rottenbanana36 wrote:I think where there is a disconnect is that if he is as valuable as you make him sound. Top 8 rim protector.. does all these small things.. star level impact according to advanced stats.. there's no way he's going to re-sign for 6.5-7M/yr. Frye just got 4/$32 and he's older coming off of a heart condition one year ago!

Frye is the better scorer while Amir is the better defender. We all know defense isn't awarded or recognized like offense is. If it was, Tony Allen would be getting 10 million+. As far as Orlando, they're a poorly run team.

Same team that gave Ben Gordon 4.5 million. What Frye got from Orlando this year has no barring on what Amir Johnson will get next year. He's expected to be resigned for 6-7 million.

NapoleonII · Post #1967 » by **NapoleonII** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:27 pm

Top 8 rim protector sounds great until you realize that there's only about 10 true rim protectors in the league (getting significant minutes + impact)

BobbieL · Post #1968 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:28 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Believe me, I have no issue with him getting on these guys cases about what they need to on. The problem I have is, this presser is supposed to be a good day for them. Let the guys answer the questions instead of being embarrassed.

To be fair though, I haven't seen it yet so I really don't know the tone. The way Coro put it though, it didn't sound like everyone was having a good time about it.

just watched it. seemed goodnatured. made me smile.

babby et al emphasized repeatedly that IT and tolliver are such high character guys. that means a lot ot me as a fan. IT kept saying how noticeable it was when he played against phx last yr-- that our guys didn't argue with each other, they played hard, etc.

personally, that means so much to me in a workplace. i like getting paid. i like being competent. i like it when a workplace permits me flexibility to prioritize other things in my life, like family and community. but i really really really like it when i'm part of a team-- when my coworkers are like friends, and our workplace is like a foxhole. i just like being a part of a workplace where everyone cares about each other ubuntu-style. so i'm proud as a fan that our FO is trying to cultivate that kind of workplace.

suns win!

First off, with respect to Ryan about Frye. I have seen a few Ryan McD pressers - I don't think he likes that part of the job. So, I don't think he was bagging on Frye - it was just how he is

As for Hornacek - I found it in good fun. Hornacek knows what these two guys are there to do - and defense with Thomas will probably not happen.

spanishninja · Post #1969 » by **spanishninja** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:29 pm

NapoleonII wrote:Top 8 rim protector sounds great until you realize that there's only about 10 true rim protectors in the league (getting significant minutes + impact)

well but still. If there are 10 superstars in the league and you have the 8th best one, you'd still have a superstar. Top 8 rim protector isn't anything to sneeze at when you look at the actual numbers and how far the top 10 are from everybody else.

Scarface844 · Post #1970 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:30 pm

NapoleonII wrote:Top 8 rim protector sounds great until you realize that there's only about 10 true rim protectors in the league (getting significant minutes + impact)

That doesn't mean you discredit him because the league doesn't have many true rim protectors.

Also don't discredit this. His impact is just more then rim protecting.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/st ... to-raptors

Scarface844 · Post #1971 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:32 pm

spanishninja wrote:
NapoleonII wrote:Top 8 rim protector sounds great until you realize that there's only about 10 true rim protectors in the league (getting significant minutes + impact)

well but still. If there are 10 superstars in the league and you have the 8th best one, you'd still have a superstar. Top 8 rim protector isn't anything to sneeze at when you look at the actual numbers and how far the top 10 are from everybody else.

Also this http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/st ... to-raptors

His impact is more then just rim protecting. Hes a star according to advanced stats. His impact on the game is huge. I'm repeating myself but he does the little things and he's really important for our teams chemistry.

Saberestar · Post #1972 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:33 pm

Paul Coro on twitter is answering questions about Bledsoe and Monroe.

He said that Monroe does not fit our style, and he thinks our FO is not interested in him.We like our 2 young centers.
Regarding Bledsoe, we want him and we only will make a S&T if the returning value is great.But we want Bledsoe back.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro

Superhuman · Post #1973 » by **Superhuman** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:56 pm

SF88 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Its ok, i watch Sam & Cat, but for Ariana Grande instead.

Spoiler:

I too am obsessed with her.

JTrain · Post #1974 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 pm

How did this become an Amir Johnson thread? :-o

GOGI_4_MVP · Post #1975 » by **GOGI_4_MVP** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:15 pm

Scarface844 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Y'all are crazy. Amir has a year left. Ennis on a rookie deal with a much higher ceiling. But you guys need Amir. Another one of those rare "bad for both teams" deals. Seen a few around here of late.

Frankly, I think we just went with the player we perceived to be BPA. There's but one projected starting PG in next year's draft, which means that he'll probably maintain his value if we decide to keep him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we moved him in next year's draft.

I think it's possible we might trade him for a player on a rookie contract, or for a player and a pick. Outside possibility, perhaps, of S&T for Monroe (but I doubt we can put him on a contract we like). But I really don't see us moving him this year.

Amir is a top 10 rim protector in the NBA. He's loved around the NBA. His impact on the game is huge. Also he's our Haslem. We can't disrupt the chemistry we have. Amir for Ennis is just way to high a asking price. I don't think you guys want a repeat of Kendall Marshall again.

If you guys keep Bledsoe, Ennis has no place on your roster. His style of play doesn't mesh with you guys. Every team in the league is pretty much set at the PG spot so I highly doubt you guys could get a future first for Ennis but who knows. Hopefully the Raps & the Suns can work out something reasonable.

Where is your logic in saying Ennis wouldn't even net us a future first when we just used the 18th pick of the FIRST round in one of the deepest drafts in recent history to get him?

Scarface844 · Post #1976 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:20 pm

GOGI_4_MVP wrote:Where is your logic in saying Ennis wouldn't even net us a future first when we just used the 18th pick of the FIRST round in one of the deepest drafts in recent history to get him?

What? What does Phoenix picking Ennis have to do with what other teams would or wouldn't do. I just gave my opinion. Its very unlikely a team gives up a future first for a PG, the deepest position in the NBA.

GOGI_4_MVP · Post #1977 » by **GOGI_4_MVP** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:20 pm

Scarface844 wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
NapoleonII wrote:Top 8 rim protector sounds great until you realize that there's only about 10 true rim protectors in the league (getting significant minutes + impact)

well but still. If there are 10 superstars in the league and you have the 8th best one, you'd still have a superstar. Top 8 rim protector isn't anything to sneeze at when you look at the actual numbers and how far the top 10 are from everybody else.

Also this http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/st ... to-raptors

His impact is more then just rim protecting. Hes a star according to advanced stats. His impact on the game is huge. I'm repeating myself but he does the little things and he's really important for our teams chemistry.

You saying Amir Johnson is a star is like us saying PJ Tucker is a star...yes he does all the little things for your team and he is great to have around but I know must of us here would trade PJ Tucker for younger player with a higher ceiling in a heart beat...and yes Ennis definitely has a higher ceiling than Johnson.

Scarface844 · Post #1978 » by **Scarface844** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:21 pm

GOGI_4_MVP wrote:You saying Amir Johnson is a star is like us saying PJ Tucker is a star...yes he does all the little things for your team and he is great to have around but I know must of us here would trade PJ Tucker for younger player with a higher ceiling in a heart beat...and yes Ennis definitely has a higher ceiling than Johnson.

Where is the logic in that? PJ Tucker isn't a rim protecting big man that's considered a superstar by advanced metrics. I didn't say Amir is a star.

I said advanced metrics say hes a star, matter a fact, they say hes a superstar. I posted the links above. He's also the 8th best rim protector in the league. Ennis does not have enough upside to warrant trading Amir for him.

Post #1979 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:31 pm

Scarface844 wrote:Where is the logic in that? PJ Tucker isn't a rim protecting big man that's considered a superstar by advanced metrics. I didn't say Amir is a star.

I said advanced metrics say hes a star, matter a fact, they say hes a superstar. I posted the links above. He's also the 8th best rim protector in the league. Ennis does not have enough upside to warrant trading Amir for him.

Honestly, Ennis has very little right now other than being a 1st round pick in a strong draft as his only credential. I don't even know why Toronto want this guy so much other than the fact that he's Canadian. However, if a team is showing strong interest and we have no reason to move him for his true worth (very little), it should cost teams more than they probably think he's worth to get him from us.

Is he worth Amir? Heck no. But if we don't want to move him and you guys obviously want him, we should be demanding the world.

GOGI_4_MVP · Post #1980 » by **GOGI_4_MVP** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:34 pm

Scarface844 wrote:
GOGI_4_MVP wrote:You saying Amir Johnson is a star is like us saying PJ Tucker is a star...yes he does all the little things for your team and he is great to have around but I know must of us here would trade PJ Tucker for younger player with a higher ceiling in a heart beat...and yes Ennis definitely has a higher ceiling than Johnson.

Where is the logic in that? PJ Tucker isn't a rim protecting big man that's considered a superstar by advanced metrics. I didn't say Amir is a star.

I said advanced metrics say hes a star, matter a fact, they say hes a superstar. I posted the links above. He's also the 8th best rim protector in the league. Ennis does not have enough upside to warrant trading Amir for him.

Just stating my opinion as you were, everyone sees their own players differently than other teams do. You think Ennis isn't worth Amir or a future first and we think he is. The Suns used their first round pick on him for a reason and it wasn't to give him away to another team for scraps or future 2nd round picks. If anything they will let him develop for a year in the d league and then trade him when his value is higher. I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything like that. Just trying to show you things from our perspective.