Potential Trade Thread

[SideSwipe]

We'll surely that's a coaching failing. Trying to shoehorn players into a system rather than adapting to what's available.

Yeah, coach the team you have, not the team you want to have.

An adaptive system is the best way to go, not a rigid system. A rigid system will result in more round hole square peg scenarios. What made the Nash/D'Antoni Era so fun is it was the perfect pairing of adaptive free-flowing offense with the perfect adaptive free-flowing offensive point guard.

The problem is the dual PG back court which is severely lacking in playmaking skills and bball IQ. Early Tony Parker had the same playmaking issues but he also played with one of the GOAT in Timmie in an offense run by Pops which made a high BBall IQ Timmie their #1 offensive option.

We're lacking BBall IQ in many positions

This is one reason there is a part of me that wants to make a run at Rubio, and (gulp) pair him with Knight. Knight gets shots, Rubio gets assists. Both can still handle. The elephant in the room is what happens to Bledsoe (our best player)?

I am not by any means totally convinced of it, but a pass first PG would be a welcome change of scenery for a bit. Maybe as a killer 3 guard rotation?

[letsgosuns]

There is no game changing superstar available right now. Even if there was, the Suns do not have anything close to the kind of package needed to acquire a player like that. There is only one way to go and that is blow up the team and start over. Trade anyone not named Len, Warren, and Booker for more young players and draft picks.

You see how Bledsoe played the other night? Tom Chambers said after the game his mind was someplace else. That has been and still is Bledsoe's biggest problem. He is not a leader and takes nights off. I do not care how talented he is. There is something about him that leads me to believe you will never win with him leading your team.

Trade Knight, Bledsoe, Chandler, Markieff, and Tucker. Everyone from the opening day starting lineup. And I guarantee the Suns could get some really high quality stuff for Bledsoe. Like an unprotected pick and young players from an EC team. He is having a great year statistically so this is the time to sell high. Suns management needs to do this now so the team can go forward with a proper rebuild.

[AtheJ415]

Yeah, coach the team you have, not the team you want to have.

An adaptive system is the best way to go, not a rigid system. A rigid system will result in more round hole square peg scenarios. What made the Nash/D'Antoni Era so fun is it was the perfect pairing of adaptive free-flowing offense with the perfect adaptive free-flowing offensive point guard.

The problem is the dual PG back court which is severely lacking in playmaking skills and bball IQ. Early Tony Parker had the same playmaking issues but he also played with one of the GOAT in Timmie in an offense run by Pops which made a high BBall IQ Timmie their #1 offensive option.

We're lacking BBall IQ in many positions

This is one reason there is a part of me that wants to make a run at Rubio, and (gulp) pair him with Knight. Knight gets shots, Rubio gets assists. Both can still handle. The elephant in the room is what happens to Bledsoe (our best player)?

I am not by any means totally convinced of it, but a pass first PG would be a welcome change of scenery for a bit. Maybe as a killer 3 guard rotation?

The elephant in the room in that scenario imo has nothing to do with Bledsoe, and everything to do with whether or not adding arguably the worst jump shooter of all time in Rubio is somehow winning just because he gets more assists and therefore has a higher "basketball IQ", despite never playing on a winning team.

[bwgood77]

100%

We'll surely that's a coaching failing. Trying to shoehorn players into a system rather than adapting to what's available.

Yeah, coach the team you have, not the team you want to have.

An adaptive system is the best way to go, not a rigid system. A rigid system will result in more round hole square peg scenarios. What made the Nash/D'Antoni Era so fun is it was the perfect pairing of adaptive free-flowing offense with the perfect adaptive free-flowing offensive point guard.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, it's like we need a special ed teacher for the players. Someone coming to yell at slow students isn't going to make them learn faster.

Some of this will works its way out in time with the young guys because I think the three lotto picks we have are all smart players that will develop with more practice. But what they need to do is get more veteran leaders. I think Price was somewhat good at pushing our guards in practice, but they really seem to make SO many bad decisions that I hope it's mostly because they are still young but it scares me. It's not the system or coaching that is making Bledsoe and Knight forget to run what they are told on the court, and I don't know that a guy like Skiles or Thibs who yells a ton would help them learn faster.

It's ok to have one guy like this. But not two. That's kind of why the Knight trade was surprising. I think Price pushes them in practice, but I think many of the turnovers from some of the others are from dumb passes by Bledsoe or Knight forgetting what they have to do. Knight and Bledsoe are probably SO used to beating people based strictly on speed and athleticism as they grew up and not basketball smarts. That is why Bledsoe was always a backup in college and before his time in Phoenix (though he was behind two studs) but they are also smarter players...not more athletic.

That's why I would like someone like KJ to come in and help teach them with Horncek. I think Price pushes them in practice. Heck, a guy like Andre Miller might be good to hire as a pg coach.....didn't they call him Professor Miller?

[letsgosuns]

I am not a fan of Rubio at all, but if he hypothetically was on the Suns, I would want him paired next to Booker, not Knight. I seriously want Knight off this team so much I cannot begin to tell you. He represents everything I do not like about basketball nowadays.

[SideSwipe]

The problem is the dual PG back court which is severely lacking in playmaking skills and bball IQ. Early Tony Parker had the same playmaking issues but he also played with one of the GOAT in Timmie in an offense run by Pops which made a high BBall IQ Timmie their #1 offensive option.

We're lacking BBall IQ in many positions

This is one reason there is a part of me that wants to make a run at Rubio, and (gulp) pair him with Knight. Knight gets shots, Rubio gets assists. Both can still handle. The elephant in the room is what happens to Bledsoe (our best player)?

I am not by any means totally convinced of it, but a pass first PG would be a welcome change of scenery for a bit. Maybe as a killer 3 guard rotation?

The elephant in the room in that scenario imo has nothing to do with Bledsoe, and everything to do with whether or not adding arguably the worst jump shooter of all time in Rubio is somehow winning just because he gets more assists and therefore has a higher "basketball IQ", despite never playing on a winning team.

He is a horrible jump shooter, but denying his bbiq is warrantless, and if you think he has never played on a winning team you ought to read up on the Spanish National team and his role on it. You would be correct in saying that he never won in Minny, but the same could be said for KG except for two years out of 15. Keep some perspective there.

Your concerns are my concerns also, hence my potential suggestion of a killer three-guard lineup.

[lilfishi22]

I like Rubio but I feel he too needs to be in specific scenarios to be successful. Much like Rondo, his lack of scoring and shooting abilities really does limit him to playing with a high volume shooter to find any success. I just can't see it working next to Bledsoe who isn't really a shooter nor is he very good at rotating the ball.

[letsgosuns]

The most important step this team must take is abandoning the two point guard lineup. It has to happen immediately. Unfortunately Hornacek and/or McDonough is obsessed with it and believe it is the future of the NBA. It is no doubt the worst foundation of a team I have ever seen. It is like they are trying to drive a car with square tires. IT DOES NOT WORK.

[AtheJ415]

This is one reason there is a part of me that wants to make a run at Rubio, and (gulp) pair him with Knight. Knight gets shots, Rubio gets assists. Both can still handle. The elephant in the room is what happens to Bledsoe (our best player)?

I am not by any means totally convinced of it, but a pass first PG would be a welcome change of scenery for a bit. Maybe as a killer 3 guard rotation?

The elephant in the room in that scenario imo has nothing to do with Bledsoe, and everything to do with whether or not adding arguably the worst jump shooter of all time in Rubio is somehow winning just because he gets more assists and therefore has a higher "basketball IQ", despite never playing on a winning team.

He is a horrible jump shooter, but denying his bbiq is warrantless, and if you think he has never played on a winning team you ought to read up on the Spanish National team and his role on it. You would be correct in saying that he never won in Minny, but the same could be said for KG except for two years out of 15. Keep some perspective there.

Your concerns are my concerns also, hence my potential suggestion of a killer three-guard lineup.

I didn't deny his basketball IQ, but if we're calling Spanish national teams, who have more raw talent than all but 1 or 2 national teams in the world, an example, then we might as well call half our team winners since they were so competitive at Kentucky.

[RaisingArizona]

Hello, Chicago.

[letsgosuns]

This is sad listening to McDonough on Gambo's show. He is in the ozones man. Talking about how this is the same team that was 7-5 at one point in the season and that as bad as the Suns have been, they are only 2 games out of the 8th seed. Yeah, the Suns are also only 2.5 games out of the 14th seed. THE 14TH SEED! They actually are closer to the 14th seed when you look at the loss column. And seriously, is making the playoffs and losing by 40 points to the Warriors the goal?

Screw this man. I cannot listen to this anymore. If Sarver does not wake up and change everything asap the team is going to miss the playoffs for another five years.

[jcsunsfan]

This is sad listening to McDonough on Gambo's show. He is in the ozones man. Talking about how this is the same team that was 7-5 at one point in the season and that as bad as the Suns have been, they are only 2 games out of the 8th seed. Yeah, the Suns are also only 2.5 games out of the 15th seed. THE 15TH SEED! They actually are closer to the 15th seed when you look at the loss column. And seriously, is making the playoffs and losing by 40 points to the Warriors the goal?

Screw this man. I cannot listen to this anymore. If Sarver does not wake up and change everything asap the team is going to miss the playoffs for another five years.

I am out for a while.

I like the Suns. I have been a fan since 1976. Certainly some things have to happen, but changing everything is not it. I really cannot stand reading this stuff anymore. Certainly you have every right to feel the way you do and to post it. I just need to step back until sanity returns to this board--for my own sanity.

[Revived]

Noah/Gibson on the block for a wing. Work your magic McD!

Tucker for Gibson. I've wanted this trade to happen for so damn long.

[batsmasher]

And seriously, is making the playoffs and losing by 40 points to the Warriors the goal?

Yep that's the goal.

[thamadkant]

Noah/Gibson on the block for a wing. Work your magic McD!

Only contenders should trade for those 2...

Suns have too many issues now to trade for veteran defenders.

[letsgosuns]

This article represents in statistics everything that I have been saying about Bledsoe and Knight:

http://arizonasports.com/story/498373/suns-two-most-talented-players-hold-blame-for-struggles/

Best article I have read in a long time.

[Saberestar]

Noah/Gibson on the block for a wing. Work your magic McD!

Tucker for Gibson. I've wanted this trade to happen for so damn long.

That would be great, and then we can trade Markieff just for an expiring and a pick.

Or even better...Markieff and Tucker for Snell and Gibson. Decent enough and fair.

[Marz11]

Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.

If this is true, then FO need to take full responsibility for what has occurred. They have failed and now we are back to the beginning again. They messed it up big time.

You can trade all the players you want and treat them like some kind of inhuman assets, but the culture in the Suns is toxic, rotten and one where there is no trust between anybody. From owner down.

[Saberestar]

Gambo has said today that the two players that we are really shopping around the league are Tucker and Markieff. They are on the block and with Tucker out they want to play Warren and Booker more minutes.

[8on]

This is sad listening to McDonough on Gambo's show. He is in the ozones man. Talking about how this is the same team that was 7-5 at one point in the season and that as bad as the Suns have been, they are only 2 games out of the 8th seed. Yeah, the Suns are also only 2.5 games out of the 14th seed. THE 14TH SEED! They actually are closer to the 14th seed when you look at the loss column. And seriously, is making the playoffs and losing by 40 points to the Warriors the goal?

Screw this man. I cannot listen to this anymore. If Sarver does not wake up and change everything asap the team is going to miss the playoffs for another five years.

more likely than not, McD's trying to do damage control/sell some tickets. What's he gonna say? "Well, the fact is we're sloppy as hell. I would maybe check in with the team in a year. Maybe we'll be in the playoffs then. Who knows?" That would be some terrible advocacy for the team, and for you keeping your job. of course he's gonna sugarcoat it in public.

In private, based in the acquisitions he's made, he knows what he's doing. Who knew that Jon Leuer would be pretty good? Or Bledsoe? Or Warren or Booker or Len? All his guys have come through. If he knows what's good, he knows we're not.