Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Stanford]

For me, Ben’s 3pt creation is REAL. But its waaaaay overblown.

And how many points do we give up because he contributes nothing else offensively?

[stormi]

Kyrie-Simmons-Embiid is the best trio in basketball.

[Stanford]

Kyrie-Simmons-Embiid is the best trio in basketball.

But we'd have to give up Korkmaz in any Kryie deal

[stormi]

Kyrie-Simmons-Embiid is the best trio in basketball.

But we'd have to give up Korkmaz in any Kryie deal

Okay nvm.

[76ciology]

In 2 games this season without Ben.

We’re attempting just as many 3s (+-30 attempts) and transition FGAs (+-15 attempts) than without Ben, but we’re better in converting more on those two aspects of scoring.

It’s just 2 game sample size but I dont really see how big we’re missing Ben on offense

[KramerDSP]

I think Brooklyn would gladly take four years of Ben Simmons, and that the Sixers would be championship contenders with Kyrie this season. And if he ultimately retires or flakes out, so be it.

[76ciology]

For me, Ben’s 3pt creation is REAL. But its waaaaay overblown.

And how many points do we give up because he contributes nothing else offensively?

And did it looked like our guys struggled defending KD? And this is KD, the best perimeter wing scorer in the NBA whoch I dont think even Ben can shut down.

[stormi]

In 2 games this season without Ben.

We’re attempting just as many 3s and transition FGAs than without Ben, but we’re better in converting on those two aspects of offense.

It’s just 2 game sample size but I dont really see how big we’re missing Ben on offense

The quality of look has been way worse. We're hardly ever attempting a 3 that isn't contested, and someone like Danny Green especially is suffering. This is being compounded though because Kork has taken a step with creation and Maxey is now shooting off the dribble stepbacks. And also Niang has a lightening release, but even he is shooting way more contested 3's than I bet he ever had to in Utah.

Read on Twitter

A lot of these looks are wide open. I think it's okay to acknowledge that Ben can make positive impact offensively.

[DCasey91]

I think Brooklyn would gladly take four years of Ben Simmons, and that the Sixers would be championship contenders with Kyrie this season. And if he ultimately retires or flakes out, so be it.

Deal me in. Negative and a negative is a positive right?

Look at Drummond. There maybe something here. Wonder what Lance Stephenson is up to

Harris is the negative lol

Why go halfway into chaos go the whole way.

[DCasey91]

In 2 games this season without Ben.

We’re attempting just as many 3s and transition FGAs than without Ben, but we’re better in converting on those two aspects of offense.

It’s just 2 game sample size but I dont really see how big we’re missing Ben on offense

The quality of look has been way worse. We're hardly ever attempting a 3 that isn't contested, and someone like Danny Green especially is suffering. This is being compounded though because Kork has taken a step with creation and Maxey is now shooting off the dribble stepbacks. And also Niang has a lightening release, but even he is shooting way more contested 3's than I bet he ever had to in Utah.

Read on Twitter

A lot of these looks are wide open. It's okay to acknowledge that Ben can make positive impact offensively.

Posters don’t realize Ben breaks down the defense by being there on the court lol.

Sagging back is a form of defense manipulation

Obv it’s a problem to work out but the FO/Coaching haven’t done a great job of it over the years imo.

[76ciology]

2020-2021
11.3 3pt makes 37%
2021-2022
13.5 3pt makes 44%

Both at 30 3pt attempts per game.

If you’re not getting good looks, then you should see a drop in attempts (you wont take a heavily contested 3) and drop in %. But you dont see it so far.

So my point is.. as of now I dont see Ben’s 3pt creation importance, until the numbers (makes and attempts in 3s) show other wise.

[DCasey91]

2020-2021
11.3 3pt makes 37%
2021-2022
13.5 3pt makes 44%

Both at 30 3pt attempts per game.

If you’re not getting good looks, then you should see a drop in attempts (you wont take a heavily contested 3) and drop in %. But you dont see it so far.

So my point is.. as of now I dont see Ben’s 3pt creation importance, until the numbers (makes and attempts in 3s) show other wise.

I get more sample sizes from the local deli.

[76ciology]

Semi-OT: I thought Tobi’s value took a hit without Ben. We suddenly looked small with Tobi at PF, which isnt the case when you have Ben.

[76ciology]

2020-2021
11.3 3pt makes 37%
2021-2022
13.5 3pt makes 44%

Both at 30 3pt attempts per game.

If you’re not getting good looks, then you should see a drop in attempts (you wont take a heavily contested 3) and drop in %. But you dont see it so far.

So my point is.. as of now I dont see Ben’s 3pt creation importance, until the numbers (makes and attempts in 3s) show other wise.

I get more sample sizes from the local deli.

Yeah but until proven other wise, i dont see that much value in Ben’s 3pt creation.

This is just something i’d like to point out and i’ll track this stat and keep you guys updated.

[thenbaman]

In 2 games this season without Ben.

We’re attempting just as many 3s and transition FGAs than without Ben, but we’re better in converting on those two aspects of offense.

It’s just 2 game sample size but I dont really see how big we’re missing Ben on offense

The quality of look has been way worse. We're hardly ever attempting a 3 that isn't contested, and someone like Danny Green especially is suffering. This is being compounded though because Kork has taken a step with creation and Maxey is now shooting off the dribble stepbacks. And also Niang has a lightening release, but even he is shooting way more contested 3's than I bet he ever had to in Utah.

Read on Twitter

A lot of these looks are wide open. I think it's okay to acknowledge that Ben can make positive impact offensively.

Or he passes so much to avoid shooting and getting fouled.

[stormi]

In 2 games this season without Ben.

We’re attempting just as many 3s and transition FGAs than without Ben, but we’re better in converting on those two aspects of offense.

It’s just 2 game sample size but I dont really see how big we’re missing Ben on offense

The quality of look has been way worse. We're hardly ever attempting a 3 that isn't contested, and someone like Danny Green especially is suffering. This is being compounded though because Kork has taken a step with creation and Maxey is now shooting off the dribble stepbacks. And also Niang has a lightening release, but even he is shooting way more contested 3's than I bet he ever had to in Utah.

Read on Twitter

A lot of these looks are wide open. I think it's okay to acknowledge that Ben can make positive impact offensively.

Or he passes so much to avoid shooting and getting fouled.

This is the regular season where he averages ~16 ppg. The issue comes when he loses the plot and enters uber-defer mode and starts scoring like 6 or less points and finishing with 3 field goal attempts in 37 minutes. That's just inexcusable for someone with his gifts.

[phillynative]

Semi-OT: I thought Tobi’s value took a hit without Ben. We suddenly looked small with Tobi at PF, which isnt the case when you have Ben.

Because he's tweener. If you look at the starting lineup mostly everyone is a tweener at this point in their career except Embiid.

Embiid-Legit 2way center

Tweenville:
Tobi -not exactly a 4 or 3
Green- at this stage in his career will have trouble with legit wings and he's not exactly as SG.
Seth- Too small to be a SG no PG skills
Maxey- You could call him a combo guard but right now his skillset leans to a small slashing 2 guard.

[RedSalsa]

I would have traded Brogdon straight up for Ben if that’s what Indy was offering. He’s frankly a better player and we’d be 2-0 now. This dream Darrell Morey has about getting Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard is just foolish.

[phillynative]

I would have traded Brogdon straight up for Ben if that’s what Indy was offering. He’s frankly a better player and we’d be 2-0 now. This dream Darrell Morey has about getting Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard is just foolish.

Morey said no point in bringing role players back during Embiids prime. Lol

[RedSalsa]

I would have traded Brogdon straight up for Ben if that’s what Indy was offering. He’s frankly a better player and we’d be 2-0 now. This dream Darrell Morey has about getting Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard is just foolish.

Morey said no point in bringing role players back during Embiids prime. Lol

I know but he’s a little more than a role player. Maybe Indy actually did not even offer him?