2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[spree2kawhi]

So with all options apparently bad or unrealistic, it just has to be Embiid.

[egelband]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

[spree2kawhi]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

Another big wing defender that can shoot. Jerami Grant.

Watching Kuminga defend is really intriguing too but he can’t shoot.

[DaGawd]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

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[KnixinSix]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

Another big wing defender that can shoot. Jerami Grant.

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[Jeffrey]

Woj just said a trade for a player with a big contract a team may like but have to move on from so they can get ahead of the new apron.

Off the top of my head since I've been following which teams that is close or over the 2nd apron.

Wolves (over) - even without signing Conley to a new deal
Suns (way over) - they are so over, their whole bench will be vet minimums
Lakers (close) - if Lebron opts out or takes less AAV then Lakers will be fine
Blazers (close) - too many vet contracts + don't forget that they will be drafting a top 4 rookie which will take them over the apron
Warriors (close) - if they sign Klay to 30+ million contract they will be over
Celtics (way over) - Jrue will pick up his option. If not, he will sign with less AAV but they will still be over
Bucks (close) - just a few million shy of going over. Want to see what they will do with Beasley
Clippers (depends) - if they re-sign all 3.. way over. If sign Leonard and PG they should be fine

Are you sure about Portland? According to spotrac they will have more than 25M under the 2nd apron with which to sign their picks...and that's if they don't sell any of their vets for expirings+picks.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/cap/2024/

No, I said they will be close. They are at 161m + a top 5 pick (2023 # 5 pick was 7.9m). I guess you can take them off that list. For a team that is hovering around the 2nd apron and is one of the worst teams in the NBA, I can't imagine keeping all those vets.

[cgf]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

We do probably need a backup center, but we need another creator most of all. Either a starting SG to push DiVincenzo to the bench...or just replace him in the rotation if he's good enough...or more of a 6th man type to replace Quickley. A backup PG could work to, but I think we need more of a combo guard than a point.

Depending on the price I think any of these could make sense for us to target:

Brogdon
Hield
Olnyk + Sexton/Clarkson
Tyus Jones + Gafford
Rozier + Richards
Lavine...if we can get him without including Grimes or any unprotected future FRPs

[The Lamma]

I should have clarified. I heard this on KnicksFanTV from CP and Alex.

And after iHart’s game yesterday I probably shouldn’t have even posted it.

Getting Drummond for cheap is just to back up iShart for rest of this year. Would have to be low cost, if no better options available

How about Ron Carnaval?

You're referring to this cat, yes? That's some obscure sht right there!



There's literally no pictures available on Google of him in a Knick uni, but I remember him too. Played for us in 1984-85. He played for the Harlem Globetrotters before the Knicks?!

That was the Golden era of hilarious(ly awful) Knicks centers. That year besides him we had Ken "The Animal" Bannister. And Eddie Lee Wilkins who went ham in his first game as a Knick then was brutal thereafter. Thank God Ewing was right around the corner in the ensuing draft

[cgf]

Off the top of my head since I've been following which teams that is close or over the 2nd apron.

Wolves (over) - even without signing Conley to a new deal
Suns (way over) - they are so over, their whole bench will be vet minimums
Lakers (close) - if Lebron opts out or takes less AAV then Lakers will be fine
Blazers (close) - too many vet contracts + don't forget that they will be drafting a top 4 rookie which will take them over the apron
Warriors (close) - if they sign Klay to 30+ million contract they will be over
Celtics (way over) - Jrue will pick up his option. If not, he will sign with less AAV but they will still be over
Bucks (close) - just a few million shy of going over. Want to see what they will do with Beasley
Clippers (depends) - if they re-sign all 3.. way over. If sign Leonard and PG they should be fine

Are you sure about Portland? According to spotrac they will have more than 25M under the 2nd apron with which to sign their picks...and that's if they don't sell any of their vets for expirings+picks.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/cap/2024/

No, I said they will be close. They are at 161m + a top 5 pick (2023 # 5 pick was 7.9m). I guess you can take them off that list. For a team that is hovering around the 2nd apron and is one of the worst teams in the NBA, I can't imagine keeping all those vets.

Yeah, have to imagine they'll sell...even if just Brogdon & Grant.

Although the 2nd apron is projected to be 190M, so even if they don't sell, that should be plenty to afford their picks.

[Fat Kat]

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[Signature NYK]

Honestly... I know its a pipe dream but 3 team trade

Grimes
Fournier
4 1sts 2 swaps
Obi TPE

for Mikal and Alec Burks

DSJ and 2 seconds to Detroit

Brunson/Burks
Mikal/Donte
OG/Hart
Randle/OG
Hartenstein/Precious

ECF???

Resign Hartenstein and OG maybe burks too?

Run it back with Mitch or target a 3 point shooting Big like Turner...

Turner/Hartenstein
Randle/OG
OG/Hart
Mikal/Donte
Brunson/Burks (or deuce if he steps up)

[cgf]

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Oh ****, 3team trade? It’s happening…

CHI: Grant + DiVincenzo
POR: Fournier + DAL FRP + DET FRP
NYK : Lavine

[Jeffrey]

It is possible to get a player in the 25-30m (like Jerami Grant) range this deadline. You will need to add a 3rd team like San Antonio. They can figure out the draft capital but from a salary perspective, this actually works:

Knicks get:
Jerami Grant (can't be traded until Jan. 15)

SA get
Jericho Sims or Arcidiacono

Portland gets
Fournier
McDermott

And yes, Jerami Grant is my no.1 target. He is an offensive weapon and a great defender. We can push OG to the 2 spot and Grant at the 3. Grant can also defend multiple positions.

Brunson
OG
Grant
Randle
iHart

[cgf]

Honestly... I know its a pipe dream but 3 team trade

Grimes
Fournier
4 1sts 2 swaps
Obi TPE

for Mikal and Alec Burks

DSJ and 2 seconds to Detroit

Brunson/Burks
Mikal/Donte
OG/Hart
Randle/OG
Hartenstein/Precious

ECF???

Resign Hartenstein and OG maybe burks too?

Run it back with Mitch or target a 3 point shooting Big like Turner...

Turner/Hartenstein
Randle/OG
OG/Hart
Mikal/Donte
Brunson/Burks (or deuce if he steps up)

Burks was awesome for us and had a great season in Detroit last year. But he’s looking done done this year. Not against bringing him back for the vibes, but I don’t think we can expect him to help with our lack of creation.

[cgf]

It is possible to get a player in the 25-30m (like Jerami Grant) range this deadline. You will need to add a 3rd team like San Antonio. They can figure out the draft capital but from a salary perspective, this actually works:

Knicks get:
Jerami Grant (can't be traded until Jan. 15)

SA get
Jericho Sims or Arcidiacono

Portland gets
Fournier
McDermott

And yes, Jerami Grant is my no.1 target. He is an offensive weapon and a great defender. We can push OG to the 2 spot and Grant at the 3. Grant can also defend multiple positions.

Brunson
OG
Grant
Randle
iHart

Depends on what OG & IH cost to re-sign. Without Fournier we’d have just ~55M under the 2nd apron. If 25 of that is going to Grant, we probably wouldn’t be able to aggregate salaries in trades any more. So any future swaps would have to be 1 for 1s

[KnixinSix]

If the main plan for getting Dejounte is to eventually flip him for a better player then I wouldnt hate that.

So trade Grimes, Fournier, and a couple picks for Dejounte, then package Dejounte and any remaining firsts for Embiid, Booker, DMitchell or whoever (with Embiid as the main target). Maybe throw Mitch or Julius in there to save picks.

I just doubt these other teams really covet Dejounte that much, especially since his impact on winning and attitude are certainly questionable. Seems better to save our picks since theyd be more valuable to a team whod want to rebuild, and see if Donte and Grimes can hold the 2 spot down.

Save our picks for what? The draft this year? I didn't know DJM was an attitude problem type of player. That shyt won't fly here. Still, he consolidates what we need from Grimes and Deuce with possibly better production.

I'm concerned with flipping Evans expiring salary into the future, getting a backup 4/5 with actual talent and, we have to use this years draft picks. Whoever makes the most sense that we can get, do it. I'm ok with drafting at least one player this year too. There's plenty of ways to go about this but, this season cannot be punted either. Fix the holes to stay in the playoffs before we slide to play in territory or worse because we ignore the glaring holes we have trying to cheap out.

First we need to see if Grimes and Donte can rise to the occasion. Wouldnt be smart to rush into a trading some of our last real assets for a borderline guy like Dejounte when maybe they can do the job more than well enough.

Why is Dejounte being moved twice in less than 2 years, with his teams being bad, if hes so good? Would he be happy being a 3rd option/6th man here also? And yeah he has some mentality issues. See the quotes cgf has posted the last few pages from Spurs and Hawks posters who watch him play. He does and says some weird stuff that doesnt fit into our style, so hed have to change.

Ill have to see what Leon cooks up before caring about this too much. All I know is Dejounte and OG obviously arent enough. OG is a winning type player though, while Im unsure about Dejounte.

DeJounte is a risk. But is it a risk worth taking?

If you are relying on DeJounte to be your #1 or even maybe #2 you might have an issue.However, we don't need him as our #1 or #2 scorer. That's Brunson and Randle, he would be our #3 scorer and top option to run with the bench as RJ did but likely a much better floor general and efficient scorer than RJ was with the Bench. He would also be the best PG on the team after Brunson.

Thibs system loves length in the backcourt and frontcourt. DeJounte (probably in a better system in SA) was also an EXCELLENT rebounder for a combo gaurd averaging 7.2 rebounds one season. Everything he did under better coaching/system in SA seemed better.

His cost in today's NBA for a 20 point scorer is very, very reasonable at 23 ish M AAV.

He, unless he absolutely bombs here, is a very flippable asset. He is not a 40+M AAV dollar risk like the more injury prone LaVine with the upcoming rigid penalty capped CBA.

Is there some risk still...sure...But I believe our culture and coaching here along with what his role would be here would fit in extremely well.....

Ultimately this comes down to weighing risk vs potential value as a fit in your system. If his cost is what we have speculated something like a Grimes (a player with some upside but not quite an 'A' level upside player like Quickley), Fournier (an expiring) and 2-3 FRPs (when we have 8 or 9 tradeable FRPs in the next few years to utilize) , I think this is a risk worth taking.

Unless it absolutely bombs he still has value as a flippable asset in a trade this offseason. The contract is not one of those potential albatrosses like a LaVine. And if it hits you have a guy who could play a pretty pivotal role in a championship contender especially if he plays the type of defense like he is capable of.

[Clyde_Style]

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After the win, head coach Tom Thibodeau said he may use Hartenstein more as a facilitator in the Knick offense.

“They were blitzing in a situation tonight and even though he was the weakside guy, I want him flashing to the middle,” Thibodeau said on Monday. “So we can play off that. And then it allows Julius to space to the corner. Now we can hit him and now it’s a long close-out.

"So just playing, use his instincts, I want him running the floor. Then he can always, after he runs the floor, come flash back up to the elbow and I want us to trigger action."

He continued: “When we trigger action, when he gets the ball at the elbow if there’s a cut and there’s a replace, maybe we get the cut, maybe we get the replace. But it’s hard to script for those actions. Dribble at the corner, overplay, we get the backdoor. And he’s got a good feel for that, so I want to add that to the mix as well.

"It’s something that we’ve done but I think we probably could do it a little bit more, particularly with the second group.”

[The Lamma]

Sidebar: not even regarding trades but future team building, we are currently slated to have two firsts, currently slated at 20 and 21 according nbadraft.net. We may need a point guard, wing, and big man for depth given iHart’s free agency and our current roster construction. I’m really excited.

nbadraft.net a lot of time takes awhile to update draft positioning. Dec 22 was the most recent.

Tankathon is continuously updated and current

[TrueWarrior]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

We do probably need a backup center, but we need another creator most of all. Either a starting SG to push DiVincenzo to the bench...or just replace him in the rotation if he's good enough...or more of a 6th man type to replace Quickley. A backup PG could work to, but I think we need more of a combo guard than a point.

Depending on the price I think any of these could make sense for us to target:

Brogdon
Hield
Olnyk + Sexton/Clarkson
Tyus Jones + Gafford
Rozier + Richards
Lavine...if we can get him without including Grimes or any unprotected future FRPs

Im in favor of the lower cost options like Brogdon, Sexton, or Rozier for that 6th man type we need.

Brogdon makes a whole lot of sense especially, with his size and shooting, and he’s obviously used to coming off the bench already. The Blazers prob dont want to keep him and shouldn’t be too expensive if we wanted him.

Murray and Lavine just dont feel right to me. I can be talked into Murray depending on the deal, but my gut is telling me to stay away and be patient.

We should at least see if some of our players can step their games up before we do anything. Thats my main thing. Give McBride, Grimes, Precious, and Sims a few more weeks and if they fail then make a deadline deal. Ill give Leon the benefit of the doubt that he has a plan though.

[KnixinSix]

What are the Knicks to needs? With Robinson out I would have thought they need a center. But seems most posters here want to bring in a PG. Just wondering.

We do probably need a backup center, but we need another creator most of all. Either a starting SG to push DiVincenzo to the bench...or just replace him in the rotation if he's good enough...or more of a 6th man type to replace Quickley. A backup PG could work to, but I think we need more of a combo guard than a point.

Depending on the price I think any of these could make sense for us to target:

Brogdon
Hield
Olnyk + Sexton/Clarkson
Tyus Jones + Gafford
Rozier + Richards
Lavine...if we can get him without including Grimes or any unprotected future FRPs

Im in favor of the lower cost options like Brogdon, Sexton, or Rozier for that 6th man type we need.

Brogdon makes a whole lot of sense especially, with his size and shooting, and he’s obviously used to coming off the bench already. The Blazers prob dont want to keep him and shouldn’t be too expensive if we wanted him.

Murray and Lavine just dont feel right to me. I can be talked into Murray depending on the deal, but my gut is telling me to stay away and be patient.

We should at least see if some of our players can step their games up before we do anything. Thats my main thing. Give McBride, Grimes, and Precious a few more weeks and if they fail then make a deadline deal.

I'm bullish on Murray and maybe Capela in the deal (Atl wants to move one from bith supposedly) but Sexton/Olynyk sounds quite intriguing as a close second for me.