Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[HangTime]

They pretty much stripped down (the team injuries compounded it) for his 4th year, and he struggled on the surface. If you were watching the Raptors carefully, you'd understand why.

Most people did tune out of the season.

If you gave him a stronger team to lead last year, where others weren't experimenting with their game, he'd be on a super-max, right now.

We have a super-max player on the Max contract, I think most of people can't see it yet.

[mdenny]

My concerns with Scottie have been about his maturity, leadership, seriousness - and I’ve been very impressed with him and how’s he’s lead this year. He’s played as well as he can, not perfect, and he’s approached the inclusion of BI and others and been a team guy and leader incredibly well.

Agreed. His demeanor and body language have both really improved regardless of anything else. Acting more mature and this suggests he totally has leadership potential in the future because it's still early for that trait. He's not that yet....but you can see it developing. And most of the really great leaders in the league didnt become that until their late 20s.

Up until this season....i was alit more skeptical.

I hate the lookback dunks....but they are tolerable when everything else along those lines has improved.

[Indeed]

They pretty much stripped down (the team injuries compounded it) for his 4th year, and he struggled on the surface. If you were watching the Raptors carefully, you'd understand why.

Most people did tune out of the season.

If you gave him a stronger team to lead last year, where others weren't experimenting with their game, he'd be on a super-max, right now.

We have a super-max player on the Max contract, I think most of people can't see it yet.

I watch every single Raptors games on League pass on his 4th year, and no, he cannot create his own shot as the 1st option against bench players, particularly, he doesn't have the shooting, where teams are letting him take long two, or switch in a PnR. He cannot get down hill, not because he doesn't want to get paint touch. He was laughed when Houston gives the better contract to Sengun.

[tsherkin]

I watch every single Raptors games on League pass on his 4th year, and no, he cannot create his own shot as the 1st option against bench players, particularly, he doesn't have the shooting, where teams are letting him take long two, or switch in a PnR. He cannot get down hill, not because he doesn't want to get paint touch. He was laughed when Houston gives the better contract to Sengun.

Just for clarity, we're still talking about Scottie here, right?

Because I have to agree, his shot creation is not his strength. He has other tools, but that's been a major limiting factor for him, and why we were all briefly excited when he started to get that dribble drive to the left block for the fadeaway thing going on,.

[OhCanada]

I watch every single Raptors games on League pass on his 4th year, and no, he cannot create his own shot as the 1st option against bench players, particularly, he doesn't have the shooting, where teams are letting him take long two, or switch in a PnR. He cannot get down hill, not because he doesn't want to get paint touch. He was laughed when Houston gives the better contract to Sengun.

Just for clarity, we're still talking about Scottie here, right?

Because I have to agree, his shot creation is not his strength. He has other tools, but that's been a major limiting factor for him, and why we were all briefly excited when he started to get that dribble drive to the left block for the fadeaway thing going on,.

Toronto would probably have 5 wins max if Scottie wasn't playing this year. The level of disrespect is crazy.

[OhCanada]

My concerns with Scottie have been about his maturity, leadership, seriousness - and I’ve been very impressed with him and how’s he’s lead this year. He’s played as well as he can, not perfect, and he’s approached the inclusion of BI and others and been a team guy and leader incredibly well.

Agreed. His demeanor and body language have both really improved regardless of anything else. Acting more mature and this suggests he totally has leadership potential in the future because it's still early for that trait. He's not that yet....but you can see it developing. And most of the really great leaders in the league didnt become that until their late 20s.

Up until this season....i was alit more skeptical.

I hate the lookback dunks....but they are tolerable when everything else along those lines has improved.

Needs to stop crying out for calls. Its a really bad trait. he doesn't understand how it looks when hes bullying someone and he wants a call. The other player more often than not is taking way more punishment. Hes not gonna get those calls, especially if hes always asking for them.

[MiamiSPX]

We don't win last night without his 4th quarter D, which the Miami broadcast also alluded to.

[HumbleRen]

We don't win last night without his 4th quarter D, which the Miami broadcast also alluded to.

We also would be in a winning position for the majority of the game if he showed up in the first half. It all balances itself out. He was stellar in the 4th though. Absolutely robbery if Scottie doesn’t make all defence at this rate.

With RJ out though, we can’t afford BI or Scottie to have slow starts scoring wise. We got fortunate that BI was able to score at peak KD efficiency in that first half.

[manjusaka]

My concerns with Scottie have been about his maturity, leadership, seriousness - and I’ve been very impressed with him and how’s he’s lead this year. He’s played as well as he can, not perfect, and he’s approached the inclusion of BI and others and been a team guy and leader incredibly well.

Agreed. His demeanor and body language have both really improved regardless of anything else. Acting more mature and this suggests he totally has leadership potential in the future because it's still early for that trait. He's not that yet....but you can see it developing. And most of the really great leaders in the league didnt become that until their late 20s.

Up until this season....i was alit more skeptical.

I hate the lookback dunks....but they are tolerable when everything else along those lines has improved.

Needs to stop crying out for calls. Its a really bad trait. he doesn't understand how it looks when hes bullying someone and he wants a call. The other player more often than not is taking way more punishment. Hes not gonna get those calls, especially if hes always asking for them.

I will much prefer him not complaining and get back on d asap, or getting offensive rebounds. When he is consistently making plays I think refs would notice those contacts, just like that play in the last minute in Miami.

[tsherkin]

I watch every single Raptors games on League pass on his 4th year, and no, he cannot create his own shot as the 1st option against bench players, particularly, he doesn't have the shooting, where teams are letting him take long two, or switch in a PnR. He cannot get down hill, not because he doesn't want to get paint touch. He was laughed when Houston gives the better contract to Sengun.

Just for clarity, we're still talking about Scottie here, right?

Because I have to agree, his shot creation is not his strength. He has other tools, but that's been a major limiting factor for him, and why we were all briefly excited when he started to get that dribble drive to the left block for the fadeaway thing going on,.

Toronto would probably have 5 wins max if Scottie wasn't playing this year. The level of disrespect is crazy.

I don't think you understood what I wrote if you think that post was about disrespecting Scottie.

[manjusaka]

I watch every single Raptors games on League pass on his 4th year, and no, he cannot create his own shot as the 1st option against bench players, particularly, he doesn't have the shooting, where teams are letting him take long two, or switch in a PnR. He cannot get down hill, not because he doesn't want to get paint touch. He was laughed when Houston gives the better contract to Sengun.

Just for clarity, we're still talking about Scottie here, right?

Because I have to agree, his shot creation is not his strength. He has other tools, but that's been a major limiting factor for him, and why we were all briefly excited when he started to get that dribble drive to the left block for the fadeaway thing going on,.

Those advanced moves take time to develop. His overall offensive efficiency is much better this year with simple moves. He may still able to improve offensively down the road to the point that he can create his own shot in isolation.

[tsherkin]

Those advanced moves take time to develop. His overall offensive efficiency is much better this year with simple moves. He may still able to improve offensively down the road to the point that he can create his own shot in isolation.

He looks considerably better the way we are using him this year, for sure.

I wouldn't look to him too much for creation against a set D, though, it just isn't natively his bag and his advancement there has been limited. Fortunately, he HAS shown a bunch of improvement in other aspects which keeps him relevant and quite valuable. Maybe in time, as you say, he'll continue developing. We look at favorable matchups, secondary break scenarios, developing his post game, etc, etc. Baby steps. He's made some good strides this season so far, and he's holding a hair over league-average efficiency right now. That's a big step (especially given how his FTr has tanked this year). 3pt shooting is coming down, but he could capably stay right where he is the rest of the season and I'd be thrilled.

20/8/5 on +0.3% rTS and shooting nearly 38% from 3 with that D is pretty awesome from Barnes.

[manjusaka]

Those advanced moves take time to develop. His overall offensive efficiency is much better this year with simple moves. He may still able to improve offensively down the road to the point that he can create his own shot in isolation.

He looks considerably better the way we are using him this year, for sure.

I wouldn't look to him too much for creation against a set D, though, it just isn't natively his bag and his advancement there has been limited. Fortunately, he HAS shown a bunch of improvement in other aspects which keeps him relevant and quite valuable. Maybe in time, as you say, he'll continue developing. We look at favorable matchups, secondary break scenarios, developing his post game, etc, etc. Baby steps. He's made some good strides this season so far, and he's holding a hair over league-average efficiency right now. That's a big step (especially given how his FTr has tanked this year). 3pt shooting is coming down, but he could capably stay right where he is the rest of the season and I'd be thrilled.

20/8/5 on +0.3% rTS and shooting nearly 38% from 3 with that D is pretty awesome from Barnes.

He is taking more contested 3 lately, teams began to respect his 3 and not letting him to get wild open. That has a domino effect on the overall team offensive. Even if those contested 3 are not falling, it still has impact.

We had seen DDR continuously improve over the years. He was improving even after 30 years old. Norm too. So baby steps is fine.

As long as having a true scorer like BI plays beside him, SB is totally fine. His 2way performance justifies his salary. It is just we are greedy, we want more out of him.

[junot111]

They pretty much stripped down (the team injuries compounded it) for his 4th year, and he struggled on the surface. If you were watching the Raptors carefully, you'd understand why.

Most people did tune out of the season.

If you gave him a stronger team to lead last year, where others weren't experimenting with their game, he'd be on a super-max, right now.

We have a super-max player on the Max contract, I think most of people can't see it yet.

If he was a super max player, then he would have looked the part with a bad team.

[tsherkin]

He is taking more contested 3 lately, teams began to respect his 3 and not letting him to get wild open. That has a domino effect on the overall team offensive. Even if those contested 3 are not falling, it still has impact.

Some drop-off was inevitable, so I'm not overly concerned yet. Still using the corner, but he's cooling from there, and obviously ATB is pretty fickle. We'll see what time does to that, but if he keeps the approach he's got, we're in good shape. As you say, the DDR baby steps. And we don't have to rely on Scottie in quite the same way as we did with Demar.

As long as having a true scorer like BI plays beside him, SB is totally fine. His 2way performance justifies his salary. It is just we are greedy, we want more out of him.

Yup, with all of that. BI makes life simpler for Scottie, and that's exactly what he was supposed to do. Scottie looks very good in his present role/incarnation.

[PushDaRock]

He is taking more contested 3 lately, teams began to respect his 3 and not letting him to get wild open. That has a domino effect on the overall team offensive. Even if those contested 3 are not falling, it still has impact.

Some drop-off was inevitable, so I'm not overly concerned yet. Still using the corner, but he's cooling from there, and obviously ATB is pretty fickle. We'll see what time does to that, but if he keeps the approach he's got, we're in good shape. As you say, the DDR baby steps. And we don't have to rely on Scottie in quite the same way as we did with Demar.

As long as having a true scorer like BI plays beside him, SB is totally fine. His 2way performance justifies his salary. It is just we are greedy, we want more out of him.

Yup, with all of that. BI makes life simpler for Scottie, and that's exactly what he was supposed to do. Scottie looks very good in his present role/incarnation.

With RJ back, we will get the absolute best version of him. He's at his best when he doesn't have to focus on scoring the ball. We are seeing more of those Lowry type winning plays from him this season.

[tsherkin]

With RJ back, we will get the absolute best version of him. He's at his best when he doesn't have to focus on scoring the ball. We are seeing more of those Lowry type winning plays from him this season.

Yes, 100%. RJ's return will take a lot of pressure off of him in a variety of ways. And you're completely correct, when Scottie can just sort of go with the flow, he's at his best. That's really the whole notion behind the team, that we have BI and Quick and RJ making life easier for Scottie to do Scottie things, and then everything clicks. We looked very good with those guys all on the floor.

Looking forward to getting back to that.