The Official Rebuildation Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

Ty Lawson isn't a starter in this league. He's too small... It's just the conclusion I walk away with the more I see the guy play

Yeah, have to agree with this. It's also a concern I would have about Augustin, among others.

[Preludepunk27]

I honestly think, if there was a time we could realistically get Chris Paul without giving up the farm, this would be the offseason to swing that deal. Harris, CDR, Yi, Dallas's pick (or GSW's pick in place of either CDR or Yi) still sounds like a weak deal for me, but may have a chance this offseason. If we landed Chris Paul, I think Lebron or Chris Bosh become a much better possibility.

Now before I went to bed I realized if RJ was willing to be a role player/random starter, I'd totally willing to bring him back. I think he'd be great for us. I read a few weeks ago that he said that he would rather give up the big contract next year for a smaller yet longer contract. If I'm not mistaken, he shot himself in the foot by using, 5 years, 25 million as an example. If we landed John Wall and nabbed either Bosh or Amare, I would be more than happy bringing RJ back ONLY IF his contract was around that amount of money (basically MLE price). That would leave some extra cap room sign 2-3 vets with the cap we got and have a pretty strong, well balanced team.

Wall/Twill/Vet (like Dooling again)
Twill/Lee/Vet (like Hayes again)
RJ/TWill/CDR
Bosh or Amare/Boone/Humprhies
Lopez/Boone/Vet (????)

I can live with that team and be happy with our starting 5.

[NetsForce]

If CDR's option isn't picked up I am going to smack a Nets... At the very least pick up the option and trade him for a future second round pick if he's pissing you off that much.

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^ Exactly, even if you don't want him, I think we can acquire a late or future first for him to tell you the truth if we don't want to take on salary. Maybe package him and Humphries to a team who was a decent TPE.

Can we figure out a S&T for CDR or can we only pick up his option at this point? I know the S&T wouldn't be huge, but I was just curious.

[NetsForce]

I think that CDR would be RFA and if I'm reading this right he'd also be a RFA at the end of next year if the Nets do pick up his option...

As for whether he can be sign and traded... I think the answer is yes, I mean I don't see why not given that the Nets have his early bird rights.

I just don't think the market for a CDR sign-and-trade is there to be honest. Any team that would want him would probably rather the Nets pick up his option and send them there way so that if he doesn't pan out they can just let him go, and if he does, well he's THEIR RFA.

[SteveNets15]

They better pick up his option.RT is not stupid he knows what he has to do.We've all seen what this kid can do when properly motivated.He would be great for us coming off the bench in a winning enviroment with a real coach and real system.

[vincecarter4pres]

Mock Offseason Version 2.375609348


***Disclaimer*** This time we're going to roll with the all eyes on the prize, the #1 overall pick. But we won't stop there, oh no, no, no. We're looking down at aces on the button with a 4 bet in front of us. We're all in. All the cheese!


Trade #1 - Draft Day Shake Down

New Jersey sends:
The rights to John Wall
Yi Jianlian
CDR
Kris Humphries
future 1st
TPE for about 8.4 million

New Orleans sends:
Chris Paul
James Posey

Why?
Chris "Freakin" Paul, that's why fruity pants!
NOH starts a full rebuild with one of the best prospects since Durant. Saves them 8.4 million instantly and a ton of cash in the long run. They get an uber marketable player in return, so the loss of revenue from losing Paul is dramatically minimized. Keeps the fans excited, so they won't be as heart broken from losing their franchise guy.
They get some solid expirings that can play as well.



Trade #2 - It Gives You Wings!

NJ sends:
Devin Harris

Memphis sends:
Rudy Gay

Why?
We obviously would have to convince Rudy to come here, then we work a S&T. Memphis may not be in love with Devin Harris, but the value is absolutely undeniable if they're going to lose Gay to free agency anyway. S&T's for RFA's usually bring the original team very solid value, normally in the form of draft picks. In this case it's a serious overpay, but we wouldn't need Devin anymore and it's the only way we get our man and keep the cap space for...




Free Agency - The Sign and Trade addition
We'll assume Lebron is not going to sign here for this scenario. We'll also go with the concept that CP3 and Wade would not work well together, which honestly, I feel they wouldn't.

So who would be the right man for the job you ask? Do tell!
Chris Bosh.

I think you could convince him to play with Chris Paul, Brook and co. in a shiny new Arena, first in Newark and then headlining in Brooknam.
We can sign him outright, we would still have the cap space at this point(barely, by less then a mill), but he's going to want to get his 6 years at max raise percentages.

Toronto will have to recieve some compensation, but contrary to what some Rap fans like to believe, UFA's don't bring back much of anything, especially and at least when they go to teams that already have the cap space to sign them. I know there will be a Toronto fan or seven that see's this thread and scream, "Blasphemer!", but pay them no mind.
The Dallas pick, a future heavily protected 1st and a huge TPE are certainly more then most S&T's of this nature would bring back, but for the sake of avoiding a flame war and the fact that Toronto is helping a division rival, we'll just run with this.

The end result leaves us with approximately nothing in cap space.
Nada. Zip. Zero. Stingy with Dinero. So, the bench is going to weaker then Abe Vigoda's libido. Spearheaded with one stud on the rise, yet he is only in his second season.
There is also James Posey's corpse, although he moves awkwardly like Terry Kiser listening to steel drums with sunglasses and a hawaiian shirt.
Not to fear though,this season we'll sew the bench together with vet minimums that look sicker then an AIDS quilt. I'm exaggerating a bit and remember, this is about the now as much as the future and next year we will have the MLE and the BE anyway.



Draft
31st overall pick - Gani Lawal



End Result for the 2010-2011 Season:
PG Chris Paul
SG Courtney Lee
SF Rudy Gay
PF Chris Bosh
C Brook Lopez
Bench: Terrence Williams, Josh Boone(if he accepts the vet min.), James Posey, Gani Lawal, Theo Ratliff, Landry(Carl's brother who was on the Knicks), Mardy Collins, Antonio Daniels


And the Crowd Goes Wild!


Thoughts?

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^^

I like that roster a lot and would be totally fine if the Nets were able to pull those off.

With that said, I'd rather keep some of those assets and just draft John Wall. The problem there is having Wall may not be enough for Bosh. If we got Rudy Gay early in the offseason, then we have a much better shot.

To me, Wall, Lee/Twill, Gay, Bosh, Lopez is fine in my book.

If Humphries opts in, I would try to shop him to another team that has a similar expiring on their books that is in a need position for us. He played well for us last year, but I don't think he can keep it up personally.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'd still trade Wall for CP3 in a heartbeat, although I guess I could roll with that lineup as well. Problem is that Wall isn't much of a leader and falls into that same train of thought we were discussing earlier in this thread about the idea of Gilbert Arenas.

Also would like to say Chris Paul has got to be a much bigger draw for potential free agents then John Wall. I don't see Bosh choosing the Nets over say Chicago or Miami, or even OKC or Houston, etc., for that matter because of a rookie John Wall and Rudy Gay, although I feel the chance to play with Chris Paul and the allure of Brooklyn could certainly sway him our way.

Basically I just don't think we could get Bosh here without Paul.

[vincecarter4pres]

So this whole talk about absorbing salary to get Beasley and a NOH/LAC thread on the trade board got me thinking about how to get another lotto pick.

Nets send:
Yi Jianlian

Hornets sends:
Darius Songaila
Morris Peterson
11th overall pick

We absorb a touch over 7 million in salary. It cuts our cap room from 25 and change to 18 and change, but we get a late lotto pick.
For New Orleans, they lose their lotto pick, but they get below the tax. They would actually be only a few hundred thousand below the tax including the fact they would have to keep only the league minimum 12 players and 3 of them would have to be undrafted rookies.

I don't love it, just another idea/scenario on ways to use cap room.

[Preludepunk27]

So this whole talk about absorbing salary to get Beasley and a NOH/LAC thread on the trade board got me thinking about how to get another lotto pick.

Nets send:
Yi Jianlian

Hornets sends:
Darius Songaila
Morris Peterson
11th overall pick

We absorb a touch over 7 million in salary. It cuts our cap room from 25 and change to 18 and change, but we get a late lotto pick.
For New Orleans, they lose their lotto pick, but they get below the tax. They would actually be only a few hundred thousand below the tax including the fact they would have to keep only the league minimum 12 players and 3 of them would have to be undrafted rookies.

I don't love it, just another idea/scenario on ways to use cap room.

I love Darius Songaila. He has a player option. I wonder what Mo Pete's buyout it. Either way, this is intrguing. It still leaves us room for a max deal, gives us 2 ok role players who expire after next year. We'll probably have enough room to go hard after Melo summer 2011.

Anyone wanna look into the max to see if that is possible?

[demens]

So this whole talk about absorbing salary to get Beasley and a NOH/LAC thread on the trade board got me thinking about how to get another lotto pick.

Nets send:
Yi Jianlian

Hornets sends:
Darius Songaila
Morris Peterson
11th overall pick

We absorb a touch over 7 million in salary. It cuts our cap room from 25 and change to 18 and change, but we get a late lotto pick.
For New Orleans, they lose their lotto pick, but they get below the tax. They would actually be only a few hundred thousand below the tax including the fact they would have to keep only the league minimum 12 players and 3 of them would have to be undrafted rookies.

I don't love it, just another idea/scenario on ways to use cap room.

They will be roughly 3 mil over the tax so they could save 10 mil with this deal. You sure they'd be willing to part this their pick though? I honestly would not even mind throwing our 27th in there.

[S.I.C. GM]

The SIC Rebuildation -

Coach

I am for Tom Thibodeau. That should be the main target.

Draft
#1 pick = Wall or #2 Pick = Turner I am officially on the Turner bandwagon. Lets say we get Turner.

Trade
Harris to PHI for Dalembert and their 2010 Pick.
or
Harris to IND for TJ Ford and their 2010 Pick

If either team wants to add Yi, I say "Here you go!"

With that pick I would go for a PF/C preferably Monroe or Patterson. Lets say PHI agrees and we get Monroe.

With the Dallas Pick, we can take a sharp shooter SG/SF type. With the 31 pick, another big would be preferred.

Free Agents
Of course, Lebron and Wade would be first targets, but lets be realistic.
I dont want to pay Amare, Boozer, Gay or JJ.
D. Lee is only an option if he wants $8-9 mil. So lets say Lee says yes to $8 Mill. With the rest of the Cap we save it for any team that wants to dump salary and a young stud or of course MELO.

Re-Signing
CDR, Hayes and Dooling should be Re-Signed. CDR because I think Frank and Kiki didnt know how to use him. Hayes gives us 3 pt shooting. Dooling's veteran leadership is necessary.

2010-2011 Line Up
Turner/Dooling
Lee/CDR/other draft pick
Twill/Hayes/other draft pick
D. Lee/Monroe/other draft pick
Lopez/Dalembert/other draft Pick

That is what I would like to see.

[Preludepunk27]

Philly never does that. They want to move Dally, but they have Jrue and Lou Williams. Why would they want Devin even if they were getting rid of Dally.

I still don't think we should trade Devin for a pick/bench player either even if we draft Wall. We need someone of value who can be a starter in my opinion. It's likely gonna have to be a 3 team deal where we can swing Harris somplace and end up with a starter caliber 3 or 4.

[demens]

D. Lee is only an option if he wants $8-9 mil. So lets say Lee says yes to $8 Mill

In a magical dream world maybe. Lee will get a 5/55 deal at worst.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, SIC I actually love your ideas, but I highly doubt Philly thinks twice about that and David Lee is all lined up to get paid like he's weighed.

[S.I.C. GM]

Philly never does that. They want to move Dally, but they have Jrue and Lou Williams. Why would they want Devin even if they were getting rid of Dally.

I still don't think we should trade Devin for a pick/bench player either even if we draft Wall. We need someone of value who can be a starter in my opinion. It's likely gonna have to be a 3 team deal where we can swing Harris somplace and end up with a starter caliber 3 or 4.

I think they need to do something. A desperate team is going to have to really want Brand or AI's contract. Clearly they made a mistake letting Miller go. Lou isnt the answer. Jrue is probably a year or two away. PHI needs to improve quick for Ed's job.

I am not worried who can be or should be a starter. I like what the thunder has done. If you play well you have a role on this team. Durant, Green, Harden and Westbrook all rookies were they worried they are not starters yet. They throw them on a team and said play ball. Remember the thunder trade got Green(#5 Pick) by trading Allen even though they had #2 pick. I dont they were worried that about losing Allen their starting SG.

[S.I.C. GM]

D. Lee is only an option if he wants $8-9 mil. So lets say Lee says yes to $8 Mill

In a magical dream world maybe. Lee will get a 5/55 deal at worst.

This is the SIC MAGICAL DREAM WORLD!!!

If he wants more then $9, I say NO THANKS!!!

[demens]

I'm never sure what people mean when they say $#. Does that mean $# per year or a contract starting at $#.

That $55 mil deal would start at $9 mil, which is leaves plenty of room for another star this year or the following.

Lee essentially had an 8 mil deal this year (with incentives), and that was a compromise they reached with the Knicks cause they couldn't agree long term. And that was before Lee was a 20/10 all-star. There is absolutely no way he will get anything less then 5/55 and he has earned it. I think his contract will be similar to Boozers 1st deal, and Boozer will get a deal slightly better similar to what Aldridge got. basically those 2 are in the 55-65 range.

The time to build this team is this year and next. having their salaries go up to 12 a per after that is no big deal. Let Prok pay the luxury tax, i'm sure he wont mind.

[Jersey Generals]

I still like my deal of:

Nets send: 3rd pick, a future 2nd rounder.
Nets get: Jeff Green, Mario Chalmers, Beasley, Cook, and Miami's 2010 1st. Plus, 3 million in cold hard cash.

Miami sends: Mario Chalmers, Beasley, Cook, James Jones, and their 2010 first rounder.
Miami gets: Oklahoma's earliest 2010 first rounder, a future second rounder.

Oklahoma sends: Jeff Green, and their earliest 2010 first rounder.
Oklahoma gets: 3rd pick and James Jones.

I don't care what you all say, but this line up is loaded with talent.

PG- Harris, Chalmers
SG- Lee, T-Will, Cook
SF- Jeff Green, CDR
PF- Beasley, Yi
C- Lopez

Plus, we could use Miami's pick, plus one of the players to move up to perhaps get Patterson or Monroe. Loaded with talent and assets.