tkf keys to the loss

[TheBluest]

Raptors 38.3%fg
Boston 48.4%fg
Portland 48.7%fg
Bulls 51.9%fg
Wizards 45.3%fg
Sixers 47.4%fg


We need to have more Raptor/Wizard type defensive games to be taken seriously. We're playing at full strength too but a bunch of road games coming up.

[TKF]

I think the Sixers deserve some credit because if you don't look at their record and previous games, they've been competitive but like Knicks teams of the past several yrs we have the Knack to make teams look much better, therefore the onus is on us to change things and we didn't today. This was a typical loss as we've seen over the yrs.

I'm surprised you didn't cap with SOTN because isn't this what usually caps your keys in a loss from a player you would never anticipate having such a game?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Chicago 16-24 3pt...Sixers 3-19 3pt shooting<-----LIVE AND DIE BY 3

Positives were Amar'e's rebounding, Turiaf's steady bench play and that's about it.

tough to pick a SOTN when no one for the sixers really played that well. I would say evan turner, who played much better than expected.. but whatever...

[Futureisnow]

I wonder if we just need to cut walker out of the rotation and bring AR along 10 mpg at a time.

I think we should start seeing more of that as well. Tough loss but it's a long season. On to the next one.

[dancing dervish]

Raptors 38.3%fg
Boston 48.4%fg
Portland 48.7%fg
Bulls 51.9%fg
Wizards 45.3%fg
Sixers 47.4%fg


We need to have more Raptor/Wizard type defensive games to be taken seriously. We're playing at full strength too but a bunch of road games coming up.

That's no problem. We just didn't hit enough threes.

[blueNorange]

oh yeah i mentioned this during the game ... douglas didn't give walker an alley and walker was mad and yelled out 'god dammit man' and then when he was given the ball all alone at the three he didn't shoot the ball.

maybe i'm looking too much into it but that shouldn't be tolerated.

[Ignitowsky]

It kills me when we make bad teams look like the best shooting team in the league. Way too much standing around, both on offense and defense. Settling for jumpers, allowing uncontested jumpers by the Sixers. Somehwat reminiscent of the Portland game. Up fairly late in the game and then couldn't get it done. Terrible loss

[Curryy]

Why is Turiaf getting soo many touches on offense?

Why are we even LOOKING at his direction when Amar'e is on the court? Especially for a pick n roll?

One factor in today's L for sure

[TKF]

I think the Sixers deserve some credit because if you don't look at their record and previous games, they've been competitive but like Knicks teams of the past several yrs we have the Knack to make teams look much better, therefore the onus is on us to change things and we didn't today. This was typical loss as we've seen over the yrs.

I'm surprised you didn't cap with SOTN because isn't this what usually caps your keys in a loss from a player you would never anticipate having such agame.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Chicago 16-24 3pt...Sixers 3-19 3pt shooting<-----LIVE AND DIE BY 3

Positives were Amr'e's rebounding, Turiaf's steady bench play and that's about it.

Their whole team get SOTN
Games where the 3's aren't falling, which Amare would get assertive at the end instead of watching Felton and TD put up bricks.
There was one play when he was calling for the ball and nobody passed it to him, but still we need that pick and roll badly.
Edit: What do you guys think about Turiaf being that middle guy on offense when we face a zone, wouldn't Amare be better as the top of the key guy instead of having him on the wing?

exactly, and that is why I give them no credit.. they seemed to have no offensive plan.. they just seemed to dribble in circles, leave their feet to pass and hope something goes well.... just some tough breaks for us... for example.. speights gets his shot sent right back in his face, the ball bounces right to him and he takes a fadeaway 18 footer.. all net... LOL.. Jru holliday drives baseline, jumps with nowhere to go, throws the ball in crowd. brand gets the ball, and gets a foul call.. just ugly ball... and the refs didn't help one bit..

[Pedro Pistolas]

Hopefully the Jets lose so all of the attention can be taken away from this Knick loss.
Now my thoughts on the game...The sixers are a awful shooting team yet they couldn't miss against us...I'm saying Speights got his shot blocked got the ball back and shot a wild fade away that some how goes in..
Lou Williams is a dumb player but he made some smart plays today. Took advantage of that stupid pump fake call...Fields is a heady player and for him to get called on that twice was disturbing...
Toney Douglas killed us with his wild floaters and 3's but if he was playing without those 5 fouls im sure he would of made more of an impact in the 4th quarter. Instead he was playing timid..
Amare played very well yet we have people complaining....I come to the conclusion that people will complain about him good game or bad game...

I hate these freaking refs I really do , it seems like you can't put a finger on these players...our players have to be mauled for them to get a call. There's more stuff that I didn't like but i'm not going to dwell too much on this game...

[TKF]

watching scooby jru Holliday go 4-5 from downtown, tells me all I need to know

he's a career 39% shooter from three, i told you he'll be the best point guard in the draft and i'm sticking with it.

can rebound, can shoot, can pass, and plays defense.

yea, he is very good, but the 4-5 from three today. come on... especially a couple of the ones he made.. I just shook my head..

[thisiskoz]

we need to figure out what to do when teams go zone at the end... its as simple as that... guys didnt make shots.... numerous mistakes from the young guys... whistles not going our way... but this was a winnable game despite all that... very disappointed... but i can live with this in november... i dont want to see this type of thing december/january...

[TKF]

Hopefully the Jets lose so all of the attention can be taken away from this Knick loss.Now my thoughts on the game...The sixers are a awful shooting team yet they couldn't miss against us...I'm saying Speights got his shot blocked got the ball back and shot a wild fade away that some how goes in..
Lou Williams is a dumb player but he made some smart plays today. Took advantage of that stupid pump fake call...Fields is a heady player and for him to get called on that twice was disturbing...
Toney Douglas killed us with his wild floaters and 3's but if he was playing without those 5 fouls im sure he would of made more of an impact in the 4th quarter. Instead he was playing timid..
Amare played very well yet we have people complaining....I come to the conclusion that people will complain about him good game or bad game...

I hate these freaking refs I really do , it seems like you can't put a finger on these players...our players have to be mauled for them to get a call. There's more stuff that I didn't like but i'm not going to dwell too much on this game...

ah. no thank you.. but the jets are a horrible offensive team.. any way, just a tough loss.. and as you said, we made a dumb as bricks player inlou williams look good.. not happy with what happened today..

[dancing dervish]

All his 3s were wide open (asie from the step back three). if you give a 40% career three point shooter wide open threes he'll hit them period.


BTW I agree that the refs were terrible, ridiculously terrible but what completely killed us was the total lack of defense.

[thisiskoz]

Hopefully the Jets lose so all of the attention can be taken away from this Knick loss.
Now my thoughts on the game...The sixers are a awful shooting team yet they couldn't miss against us...I'm saying Speights got his shot blocked got the ball back and shot a wild fade away that some how goes in..
Lou Williams is a dumb player but he made some smart plays today. Took advantage of that stupid pump fake call...Fields is a heady player and for him to get called on that twice was disturbing...
Toney Douglas killed us with his wild floaters and 3's but if he was playing without those 5 fouls im sure he would of made more of an impact in the 4th quarter. Instead he was playing timid..
Amare played very well yet we have people complaining....I come to the conclusion that people will complain about him good game or bad game...

I hate these freaking refs I really do , it seems like you can't put a finger on these players...our players have to be mauled for them to get a call. There's more stuff that I didn't like but i'm not going to dwell too much on this game...

ive been saying since before game 3... we arent going to get whistles until we string together some wins... its extremely frustrating... but a reality... officials arent not used to seeing effort from players wearing knick jerseys... and as such... are hesitant to help bail them out... and assume good hands and quick feet on defense are just fouls..

[vadsy]

I was not surprised of the loss. Knicks usually have problems, when play against 76ers, and the fact that Iguodala was injured . The Knicks just were not ready(expected an easy win) for a game, which is probably coach's fault.

[TrueWarrior]

Why is Turiaf getting soo many touches on offense?

Why are we even LOOKING at his direction when Amar'e is on the court? Especially for a pick n roll?

One factor in today's L for sure

Exactly. This is the Dantoni system for you. Same reason why Mozgov gets so many touches. The center runs the high pick and roll while shooters spread the floor. IDK why we cant run the pick and roll/pop with Gallo, Fields, and Chandler more. That would be against the Dantoni rules I guess. I kind of wish we had more of a motion offense instead of this reliance on three pointers to spread the floor for the pick and roll. It just creates alot of standing around and guys dont get involved equally.

This system looks good when we move the ball and play unselfish and are hitting shots. When our shots are off tho what happens? We live by the jumper, always have under Dantoni. We look great when we hit the jumpers but you cant rely totally on them. Especially when teams go zone on us, Dantoni acts like he has no idea what to do.

[TKF]

All his 3s were wide open (asie from the step back three). if you give a 40% career three point shooter wide open threes he'll hit them period.


BTW I agree that the refs were terrible, ridiculously terrible but what completely killed us was the total lack of defense.

yea, I am thinking about one meeks had that he pulled out of his behind...

[Pedro Pistolas]

Hopefully the Jets lose so all of the attention can be taken away from this Knick loss.
Now my thoughts on the game...The sixers are a awful shooting team yet they couldn't miss against us...I'm saying Speights got his shot blocked got the ball back and shot a wild fade away that some how goes in..
Lou Williams is a dumb player but he made some smart plays today. Took advantage of that stupid pump fake call...Fields is a heady player and for him to get called on that twice was disturbing...
Toney Douglas killed us with his wild floaters and 3's but if he was playing without those 5 fouls im sure he would of made more of an impact in the 4th quarter. Instead he was playing timid..
Amare played very well yet we have people complaining....I come to the conclusion that people will complain about him good game or bad game...

I hate these freaking refs I really do , it seems like you can't put a finger on these players...our players have to be mauled for them to get a call. There's more stuff that I didn't like but i'm not going to dwell too much on this game...

ive been saying since before game 3... we arent going to get whistles until we string together some wins... its extremely frustrating... but a reality... officials arent not used to seeing effort from players wearing knick jerseys... and as such... are hesitant to help bail them out... and assume good hands and quick feet on defense are just fouls..

Remember that play in the washington game where toney got thrown to the ground by hinrich and no foul was called..?? i was beside myself..

[NYK_Lampe]

We are a young and inexperienced group that hasn't played a long time with one another. Expect some games like this every so often fellas

[No.Bull.Son]

Well, from what I'm getting from the stat line, we beat ourselves. Raymond Felton probably lost us this game. I saw him make a TERRIBLE decision in the P&R; he tried to get the ball to the roll man (don't remember who it was), and had it picked off. But, even if the pass went through, the roll man was surrounded by three red jerseys and would have needed a miracle to convert. Bad loss, but I'm not too worried. 75 games left.

I hear you. I just don't believe the P&R is the answer when a team is packed into a zone on you. Especially when our Jumper's aren't keeping that team's D honest. We rarely have someone cutting baseline or cutting anywhere for that matter and this is vital as it opens up the lanes which are necessary for passing and rolling. How many times have we seen the roller get the ball and there is defenders all in his mug? Well that defender should be drawn away from the play, but they are not because their "man" is camped out on the arch waiting to shoot a 3and therefore not an immediate threat. Help Defense 101.

I think the P&R was so effective for us last year that many of us expect this to be the offense. Fact is, the P&R is the most basic play in the NBA and every player and team knows how to defend it (Especially when a team isn't shooting well). I think last year it was successful primarily due to LEE's great hands and finishing abilities, but even he found himself with a defender in his mug when he caught the ball off the role. He just adjusted and finished well which made it not as noticeable and made the P&R seem effective.

This is just my opinion, but when teams pack it in and clog up the passing lanes, and our jumper's aren't dropping.We need to bang the ball down low, screen away from the ball to create lanes for cutters. The only problem is we need bigs that can get the ball to the cutter. This is where Moz comes in. He should be the one on the post since he is the biggest (ad possibly the best passer from the post) and Stat or Gallo should be the off ball screener and as if the ball comes back to them they are comfortable shooting the 17 footer. A player like Fields or Walker or TD should be the slasher's.

Just a thought.