Howard And Granger to Lakers

[Grime_Wizard]

Am i the only one who thinks the lakers dont need to trade? I think they still got a shot with the same roster and a new coach with a new system.

[G-Heel]

I'll let you know what I think after I finish barfing.

[Karmaloop]

Lakers Trade: Bynum+Gasol+Barnes+Blake+Walton+Future 1st+2nd rd picks+fillers
Lakers Get: Howard+Granger+Nelson+Turk


Lakers get quicker and more athletic (obviously at center) at the 1, and 3 as well as gaining better 3 pt shooters. Both Nelson and Granger are close to 40% from three. Defensively better as well at those positions.

The value isn't bad, but I don't think the Lakers could afford to give that much size away. That would leave Ron Artest as our backup SF/PF. I'd propose to take Turk, Walton, and Barnes out.

[camahl]

Lakers Trade: Bynum+Gasol+Barnes+Blake+Walton+Future 1st+2nd rd picks+fillers
Lakers Get: Howard+Granger+Nelson+Turk


Lakers get quicker and more athletic (obviously at center) at the 1, and 3 as well as gaining better 3 pt shooters. Both Nelson and Granger are close to 40% from three. Defensively better as well at those positions.

The value isn't bad, but I don't think the Lakers could afford to give that much size away. That would leave Ron Artest as our backup SF/PF. I'd propose to take Turk, Walton, and Barnes out.

Really? This is absolute daylight robbery for the Lakers and this is coming from a Lakers fan. This deal is pretty good for everyone except I think for Orlando to do it they need to ship Arenas to Lakers in this deal and Nelson to Atlanta... then I think you have a very good proposal all round.

[camahl]

Ok, everyone knows Dwight is a top 5 player in the league, and nobody can give equal value. This is again hypothetical..if Dwight really does want out, and that list we've been hearing about has truth to it (Lakers, Knicks, Nets) then other teams that could offer better packages are out of the running regardless. Young talent, picks, and cap space are the foundation for these types of trades. Btw let's not forget that Otis Smith isn't exactly Donnie Walsh.

With that said, I have seen quite a few Atl trades that have Horford being shipped out for Gasol. Watching these playoffs, and years past, I can understand how he might be a little over rated. Johnson is 30, and so is Crawford..they are contending now, and can compete with the top dogs, but are undersized. Smith at times has played the 5. Gasol would definitely make sense for this team as he is a better shot blocker, rebounder, and scorer.

Granger has been less impressive each year since his All Star selection, and his comments about Indiana not being a place where other stars would like to play might be giving him that hopeless mentality. Not saying he's a slacker, but come on this guy is much better than what he's been showing the past couple years. Maybe a change of scenery would help...


Magic Trade: Howard, Nelson, Turk, Duhon
Magic Get: Bynum, Hinrich, Posey, Barnes, Walton +fillers(Ebanks+Caracter)
Future 1st from L.A., 12' 2nd rd pick from L.A.

Hawks Trade: Horford+Hinrich
Hawks Get: Gasol+Blake

Pacers Trade: Granger+Posey
Pacers Get: Horford+Duhon

Lakers Trade: Bynum+Gasol+Barnes+Blake+Walton+Future 1st+2nd rd picks+fillers
Lakers Get: Howard+Granger+Nelson+Turk

-Not sure if this trade could be done on Draft day or if it would have to wait until after because of Horford's Poison Pill status, but if it could be Draft day then L.A. could throw in all four 2nd rd picks to Orlando.

Magic save 22+ mil here just next year, and an additional 15+ mil the next with the difference in Bynum-Howards salary, difference in Nelson-Waltons salary, and losing Turks 10 mil, and Duhon's remaining 7.5 mil. They get picks, and Bynum who could take it easy til they become playoff contenders the way Big Z did in Cleveland, and maybe pick up a nice lotto pick or two.

Pacers eat a little salary with Duhon, but not much as they need a backup pg anyway with Ford being a FA, and form a nice young frontcourt for years with Horford and Hibbard.

Atl is much more balanced, and with a Johnson+Smith+Gasol they could fair a little better against the trio's of Wade+James+Bosh, and the Bulls frontcourt.

Lakers get quicker and more athletic (obviously at center) at the 1, and 3 as well as gaining better 3 pt shooters. Both Nelson and Granger are close to 40% from three. Defensively better as well at those positions.

The big FA pool could allow all teams to fill out there rosters more, and come back next year strong, or look forward to a better future.

Lakers trade- Bynum Gasol BLake Walton 1sts 2nd fillers
recieve- Howard Granger Turk Arenas Teague

Orl trade- Howard Nelson Turk Arenas Duhon
recieve- Bynum Hinrich Posey Barnes Walton fillers LA 1sts 2nd

Hawks trade- Horford Hinrich Teague
recieve- Gasol Blake Nelson (maybe character)

Indiana trade- Granger Posey
recieve- Horford Duhon

Previous trade was allready amazing for Indiana and LA... tweaked a little to make it better for Atlanta and Orlando. Both probably still wouldnt do it... as Atlanta take on to much cash allthough Orlando would do it only if Dwight demands to go to LA, they shed all there bad contracts and rebuild starting with Bynum and future cap space.

[MitchSlapped]

Oh baby.

[A BETTER DJ]

According to Dwight per his tweets he's never given anybody any indication that he was thinking of leaving. If there were to be a trade and it would have to be enough teams for us to shed Turk and Arenas in the deal (just over 50 mil) and getting back enough young talent to still contend and be under the cap and have picks... good luck putting that trade together.

[thebeard]

According to Dwight per his tweets he's never given anybody any indication that he was thinking of leaving. If there were to be a trade and it would have to be enough teams for us to shed Turk and Arenas in the deal (just over 50 mil) and getting back enough young talent to still contend and be under the cap and have picks... good luck putting that trade together.

What about my proposal above?

I have you shedding both Arenas + Turkalo in addition to acquiring one of the highest potential young centers in the league as well as a top 5 pick in a loaded draft.

You get under the cap. We get Dwight. He does not even need to be resigned.

[uncarved block]

Pacers win this deal but its not bad value for all teams combined

[donkeylips]

Lakers trade- Bynum Gasol BLake Walton 1sts 2nd fillers
recieve- Howard Granger Turk Arenas Teague

Orl trade- Howard Nelson Turk Arenas Duhon
recieve- Bynum Hinrich Posey Barnes Walton fillers LA 1sts 2nd

Hawks trade- Horford Hinrich Teague
recieve- Gasol Blake Nelson (maybe character)

Indiana trade- Granger Posey
recieve- Horford Duhon

Previous trade was allready amazing for Indiana and LA... tweaked a little to make it better for Atlanta and Orlando. Both probably still wouldnt do it... as Atlanta take on to much cash allthough Orlando would do it only if Dwight demands to go to LA, they shed all there bad contracts and rebuild starting with Bynum and future cap space.

orl and atl still say no. its cool you got them dumping their salary but besides bynum they get nothing else. somehow the lakers get 3 starters by trading 2 and they get a deeper bench. teague is killing it right now so he is worth more to atl than nelson would. horford is more valuable to them than gasol and hinrich is a better player than blake and has a better contract. adding caracter wont make a difference.

[donkeylips]

what dont people get that Orlando will NOT trade Dwight to LA. they will let him walk before trading him there.

Maybe they can - just to the other LA team.

Bynum and expirings is not fair compensation for Dwight. I understand why the Lakers feel its a one man game, but can you really rule the Clippers out completely?

DeAndre Jordan (S&T @ $8M) + Chris Kaman ($13M expiring) + Mo Williams (2013 expiring with opt out next year that will probably be exercised) + Randy Foye + Ryan Gomes + Minnesotas #1 pick next year for Dwight Howard + Gilbert Arenas + Hedo Turkalo.

Orlando saves an amazing amount of money. Next year Kaman expires. The following year Mo and Foye expire. Gomes the year after. DJ becomes the center of the future and the Minnesota pick can be used on a solid prospect. Orlando gets to rebuild the right way.

Clippers get Dwight and pair him with Griffin and Gordon. Arenas goes back to LA but Bledsoe can start if necessary. Hedo fills our need for a passing SF with Aminu backing him up.

Plus, most importantly, Orlando can finally get back at the Lakers for Shaq.

i like the basis of this proposal right here. i could see the clippers offering beldsoe and aminu with it also. a gordon/griffin/howard big 3 would be amazing.

[Kerrsed]

[NJD]

how is this not locked?