Jeremy Tyler Should Be Drafted In The Lottery

[Point-God]

I like that he was coached by a former NBA head coach in Japan like Brian Hill that once coached Shaq.
I'm looking at his statistics in the Japanese pro league and they don't look bad for a 19 year old who competed against men. He played 15.4 mpg while averaging 9.9 ppg and 6.4 rpg. His free throw shooting was horrendous at 45.4% but he went to the free throw line 108 times in only 507 minutes. For comparison Nikola Mirotic went to the free throw line 84 times in 793 minutes
Donatas Motiejunas 225 times in 1290 minutes,
Jonas Valanciunas 158 times in 1142 minutes,
So as a 19 year old he shot more free throws per minute than all of the international big men in the draft that played last season.

[Cammo101]

Do you think he goes higher than 18-year old Nogueira (who has even better length and defensive potential, although he's a skinny kid)?

I'll take the 262 pound 19 year old kid from Cali over the 218 pound one from Brazil all day in this scenario. When I look at the basketball hall of fame and NBA All Star games I don't see too many Brazilian big men there.

This though process is ridiculous on so many levels. Dirk is from Germany, would you like to pass on him for a headcase Isreali league flush out too because Germany does not have a lot of hall of famers? Nene is a Brazilian big man doing pretty well in the NBA (As are Varejao and Splitter), it's a good thing though that the Grizzlies took Drew Gooden ahead of him, because his being from California was just too tough for them to pass up. That thought process worked swimmingly for them.

[Point-God]

it's a good thing though that the Grizzlies took Drew Gooden ahead of him, because his being from California was just too tough for them to pass up. That thought process worked swimmingly for them.

Actually I thought the big man from Florida was better that year. I believe he plays for the Knicks. Dirk is an outlier because he isn't the product of a typical system like 99.999% of all players, Dirk is the product of a top level coach personally training him as a youth in a private gym every day of the year for 5 hours a day. With that said, because Dirk exists I am suppose to overlook all of the other garbage basketball players that the normal German system creates? What I take from Dirk is that I will value highly any prospect that is personally coached by Holger Geschwindner. So are you going to mention Pau and Yao next? Fine, when those two countries produce another one I'll change my view.

[Cammo101]

it's a good thing though that the Grizzlies took Drew Gooden ahead of him, because his being from California was just too tough for them to pass up. That thought process worked swimmingly for them.

Actually I thought the big man from Florida was better that year. I believe he plays for the Knicks. Dirk is an outlier because he isn't the product of a typical system like 99.999% of all players, Dirk is the product of a top level coach personally training him as a youth in a private gym every day of the year for 5 hours a day. With that said, because Dirk exists I am suppose to overlook all of the other garbage basketball players that the normal German system creates? What I take from Dirk is that I will value highly any prospect that is personally coached by Holger Geschwindner. So are you going to mention Pau and Yao next? Fine, when those two countries produce another one I'll change my view.

The point is not how these guys become good, but instead it is crazy to judge a player by where they are from instead of by how good they actually are. Jeremy Tyler was cut from the Israeli league. Being from California did not help him over there.

Further more, there are 2 other quality big men in the NBA from Brazil and other good Brazilian players as well. It is not like Nog is from Iceland.

[jebdrbhjb]

It will be a mistake if teams don't take him there.

@chadfordinsider
Jeremy Tyler measured with the biggest wingspan -- a whopping 7' 5". He also had the largest standing reach at 9' 4.5"

He's 19 years old in addition to his obvious talents on the floor for anyone with access to his games.

now we know Jeremy Tyler is on the RealGM boards and his name is "Point-God." He's a head case and for that reason, I think teams will not want to draft him in the first round as they would then have a guaranteed contract. Great idea to skip your senior year in HIGH SCHOOL to turn pro. Worked out awesome....

[Point-God]

The point is not how these guys become good

That is the point.


I don't give a damn about a 17-18 year old American prospect fizzling out in Israel, just like it didn't bother me when Brandon Jennings didn't get much playing time. It matters to me more that at 19 years of age Tyler received coaching by former NBA head coach Brian Hill who coached Shaq and that Tyler has displayed evidence of being a more emotionally mature person. That brings me back to my point about how these guys become good, he was raised playing basketball on American soil so he is acquainted with physical play, additionally he didn't waste years competing against fellow teenagers. Tyler was 17-18 getting paid to compete against men outside of his home country. That's more close to NBA life than playing for free in college against teenagers. Lucas Bebe didn't receive coaching from a former NBA head coach who coached the most dominant big man of my time. Lucas Bebe didn't grow up playing basketball on American soil, the place that still produces the best players on Earth. Lucas Bebe didn't spend his time playing in leagues (and practicing against) mostly populated by fully mature men.

[Point-God]

Great idea to skip your senior year in HIGH SCHOOL to turn pro. Worked out awesome....

I think it has. He signed a contract with the Israeli team for $140,000. He signed another contract with the Japanese team for an amount that certainly beats what the NCAA pays. He also received coaching from Bob Hill who coached Shaq. I say he's winning. Deandre Jordan is a similar prospect who went to Texas A&M got paid nothing and was drafted in the 2nd round.

[LithuanianOne]

I like that he was coached by a former NBA head coach in Japan like Brian Hill that once coached Shaq.
I'm looking at his statistics in the Japanese pro league and they don't look bad for a 19 year old who competed against men. He played 15.4 mpg while averaging 9.9 ppg and 6.4 rpg. His free throw shooting was horrendous at 45.4% but he went to the free throw line 108 times in only 507 minutes. For comparison Nikola Mirotic went to the free throw line 84 times in 793 minutes
Donatas Motiejunas 225 times in 1290 minutes,
Jonas Valanciunas 158 times in 1142 minutes,
So as a 19 year old he shot more free throws per minute than all of the international big men in the draft that played last season.

You have to take into consideration he played in the second Japan league. You put all those guys in that league they would be averaging 1000+ free throws.

[Point-God]

You have to take into consideration he played in the second Japan league. You put all those guys in that league they would be averaging 1000+ free throws.

Jeremy Tyler played in Japan's top league for a former NBA head coach. He played for the Apache of the BJ league which is above the 2nd tier JBL. The minutes and free throws that I calculated for the Euro players were across many different leagues and levels of competition.

[Cammo101]

The point is not how these guys become good

That is the point.


I don't give a damn about a 17-18 year old American prospect fizzling out in Israel, just like it didn't bother me when Brandon Jennings didn't get much playing time. It matters to me more that at 19 years of age Tyler received coaching by former NBA head coach Brian Hill who coached Shaq and that Tyler has displayed evidence of being a more emotionally mature person. That brings me back to my point about how these guys become good, he was raised playing basketball on American soil so he is acquainted with physical play, additionally he didn't waste years competing against fellow teenagers. Tyler was 17-18 getting paid to compete against men outside of his home country. That's more close to NBA life than playing for free in college against teenagers. Lucas Bebe didn't receive coaching from a former NBA head coach who coached the most dominant big man of my time. Lucas Bebe didn't grow up playing basketball on American soil, the place that still produces the best players on Earth. Lucas Bebe didn't spend his time playing in leagues (and practicing against) mostly populated by fully mature men.

You are radically overrating Brian Hill as a coach. Sure, he coached Shaq, but he also coached Pat Garrity. Hill was also a bad coach at developing youth while he was in Orlando, so him having this profound impact on Tyler is a big time reach.

Tyler was raised playing basketball in America, yet magically here we are with Tyler having no real basketball skills outside of being big. Tyler was not getting paid to compete, he was getting paid to be a publicity stunt who sat the bench on a team Brian Scalabrine would get a statue for playing for.

Nog didn't spend his time playing with adults, he spent it learning how to play against people his own age. Which is much more useful. You have to learn how to be a top guy at your own level before you take on the next level. It is why people like Michelle Wie and Ty Tryon went from kids competing with adults to flush outs when they became the age they were supposed to be dominating at.

Both guys are projects, but Nog is the one who is skilled and Tyler is just the one who looks good in a basketball uniform and little else. You can imply great coaching and better competition were on Tyler's side, but it does not make him any more skilled or NBA ready, both mentally or skills wise. Tyler may have been able to learn from Hill and the grown men around him, but he spent that time instead complaining and brooding.

[Cammo101]

And for the record, I am not saying it is some slam dunk that Nog will be better than Tyler. I am saying your reasoning here is ridiculous.

[Point-God]

Tyler may have been able to learn from Hill and the grown men around him, but he spent that time instead complaining and brooding.

Link me to a story detailing that Jeremy Tyler spent his time in Japan under Brian Hill's tutelage "complaining and brooding."

[Cammo101]

Tyler may have been able to learn from Hill and the grown men around him, but he spent that time instead complaining and brooding.

Link me to a story detailing that Jeremy Tyler spent his time in Japan under Brian Hill's tutelage "complaining and brooding."

He's been better in Japan, but he has not been some reformed angel. He is still very immature.

[Point-God]

Tyler may have been able to learn from Hill and the grown men around him, but he spent that time instead complaining and brooding.

Link me to a story detailing that Jeremy Tyler spent his time in Japan under Brian Hill's tutelage "complaining and brooding."

He's been better in Japan, but he has not been some reformed angel. He is still very immature.

Thanks for proving that you have some sort of axe to grind with this prospect. You didn't have to completely fabricate him "complaining and brooding" during his stint in Japan. Now I have to make your posts go bye bye.

[Cammo101]

Thanks for proving that you have some sort of axe to grind with this prospect. You didn't have to completely fabricate him "complaining and brooding" during his stint in Japan. Now I have to make your posts go bye bye.

I have no axe to grind with him. The kid plays in Japan. What possible reason would I have to dislike him? I have no stake in him either way, you on the other hand sound like his agent or his cousin in this thread.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19871

Video interview there is kind of interesting.

This is why teams administer mental tests. If this kid has actually matured, his athleticism and apparent dedication to professional basketball should get him drafted in the late 1st. I think his BBIQ might be low though, perhaps one of those "tries to do too much, makes bad decisions", but I haven't seen much of his play.

[Grits n Gravy]

it's bob hill who has been coaching him...not brian hill

[TheNextOne21]

Bust written all over him. Played against him in High School, way too immature and lacks the drive.

[droponov]

The point is not how these guys become good

That is the point.


I don't give a damn about a 17-18 year old American prospect fizzling out in Israel, just like it didn't bother me when Brandon Jennings didn't get much playing time. It matters to me more that at 19 years of age Tyler received coaching by former NBA head coach Brian Hill who coached Shaq and that Tyler has displayed evidence of being a more emotionally mature person. That brings me back to my point about how these guys become good, he was raised playing basketball on American soil so he is acquainted with physical play, additionally he didn't waste years competing against fellow teenagers. Tyler was 17-18 getting paid to compete against men outside of his home country. That's more close to NBA life than playing for free in college against teenagers. Lucas Bebe didn't receive coaching from a former NBA head coach who coached the most dominant big man of my time. Lucas Bebe didn't grow up playing basketball on American soil, the place that still produces the best players on Earth. Lucas Bebe didn't spend his time playing in leagues (and practicing against) mostly populated by fully mature men.

Yes he did. Just FYI Jeremy Tyler's agency tried to get him a contract for the league Lucas Nogueira is playing in but no club was interested.

[droponov]

Do you think he goes higher than 18-year old Nogueira (who has even better length and defensive potential, although he's a skinny kid)?

I don't really know Tyler so I have no idea, but I know Nogueira well and although he has potential I worry about the intangibles. A very passive and uninterested young player. Also, whichever team drafts him needs to be patient because he's a couple of years away from contributing something worthy of note.