Warriors a threat to the Nets? Something interesting

[BROWN]

Ellis with Baron was efficient, imagine him with Deron... AND if the Nets add Dwight in the summer. That's real scary.

We all know Ellis isn't a #1 option guy, it's unfortunate the Warriors can't put the talent around him to get out of that role... When he had BD, Jack.. those guys took control of games and Ellis was the beneficiary of outlet passes, dive cuts, a great mid range game.. Deron would elevate Ellis game, and Ellis would open up Deron's game.. Deron's big enough to guard 2's and Ellis can play on 2's sometimes too.. Those guys would be tough to handle in the backcourt.

[richboy]

Buddy Ellis shoots 46% for his Career thats actually pretty good and efficient. Since Baron left he's had to carry to much of the load and now that Currys injured again its even tougher.

Over the last 4 years Monta Ellis TS% is 51, 53, 51, and 50. His offensive rating over those years is 99, 99, 107, and 103. That is not efficient. It suggest that Ellis is really a 15-17 ppg guy that is being over used.

If your the Nets your really going to bank on what he was doing in 2008. For a undersized SG. They want more. Please. Why is he better than Kmart. Monta Ellis numbers suggest he is a over utilized version of Jamal Crawford. He not even as good as James Harden. Trade Lopez to OKC for Harden in the off-season.

[SDtotheBay]

is that why he averaged 21 ppg on 58% T's in his 3rd year when he was in his natural role? please **** tell me more about a player you know absolutely nothing about and the extent of your knowledge about his game goes as far as basketball reference and ESPN box scores.

[richboy]

is that why he averaged 21 ppg on 58% T's in his 3rd year when he was in his natural role? please **** tell me more about a player you know absolutely nothing about and the extent of your knowledge about his game goes as far as basketball reference and ESPN box scores.

I've seen him play a ton. Please. GSW fans always play that game. Always point to 1 year in his career. You want to hold your hat on that year fine. Greatness happens in the face of obstacles. You telling me well look what he did when he had Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson running the show. Only thing that suggest is New Jersey should look to bring in Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson. How does that make Monta Ellis any good.

There a reason why GSW isn't that good though. They keep banking on a player being a franchise player who is not a franchise player. Keep making excuses for him to suggest he is better than who he is. He has played multiple years with Curry now. Has anything changed. 3 years ago he averages 25 ppg. The roster is full of scorers and pretty much everyone is really efficient. Yet the GSW team ranks 14th in offense. Reason they have a really high usage star who had a 99 offensive rating.

You know I'm kind of agreeing with you. I think he is a third option. The problem is your banking on him having 58% TS as that option. I'm saying you really going to bank on him jumping 10% in field goal percentage. Especially since Monta now shoots a ton more 3s than he did in 2008.

[N Ireland Nets]

I wouldn't want Ellis anywhere near the Nets & everyone knows you should never trade big for small.

I'd rather a big 3 of Williams/Lopez/Howard than replacing Lopez with Ellis.

[EscapoTHB]

two things, if the warriors want to give Ellis to ORL for a package that probably isn't close to being good value, then thats a bluff i think the nets are willing to call.

2nd, if monta ellis was such an attractive piece for d12 that he woulld consider taking back his trade demand...why wouldn't he just list GSW as a team on his list?

Who wants to play in Oakland CA?? NOONE

Uh...that's really actually a prime spot to live, with good ownership now. The only reason the Warriors haven't been major players in free agency a lot is because of how badly they've been managed. The Bay area is one of the most beautiful places to live in America, and the Warriors have some of the best fans in the NBA.

The Bay area could probably even support another team. There's so much money there.

[Trader_Joe]

I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way.

The reason Orlando is pursuing Ellis is to get Dwight to man up and state his plans. He's been wishy-washy and non-committal to Orlando. This way Orlando is about to "mess" with one of Dwight's good friends and try to get him to the Magic. If they do this, they feel that Dwight would have to tell them his true intentions, since they don't feel Howard would do Ellis wrong by letting the Magic trade for him, only to bolt on him and leave him stuck in Orlando.

At least that'w how I see it. Otherwise, this team is constructed pretty well as the third best team in the East, and to get Ellis will require an overpay of pieces that work for Orlando rather well. If they have to give up Nelson, Anderson and picks, I don't think they necessarily become a better team short-term and certainly not long-term.

If anything, GS wants to trade for Dwight themselves to add excitement and hope for at least the next 4 months. But knowing all along, it would probably be just a glorified salary dump of Ellis and Lee or Biedrins or whoever they move.

[ShowTimeERA]

I wouldn't want Ellis anywhere near the Nets & everyone knows you should never trade big for small.

I'd rather a big 3 of Williams/Lopez/Howard than replacing Lopez with Ellis.

Unless your an allstar guard, ala the Chris Paul for Odom/Pau nixed trade. Either way Ellis is a much better player and fit next to dwight howard than Lopez will ever be. I wouldn't touch lopez with a 10ft pole given his recent foot injury...

[old rem]

two things, if the warriors want to give Ellis to ORL for a package that probably isn't close to being good value, then thats a bluff i think the nets are willing to call.

2nd, if monta ellis was such an attractive piece for d12 that he woulld consider taking back his trade demand...why wouldn't he just list GSW as a team on his list?

The last time GSW was a contender...Dwight wasn't born yet.

No....Orlando lacks pieces to offer GSW for their ace g/scorer. the best of what Orlando has...are just more perimeter guys and nothing on D.

GSW has an investment in Lee,who DOES score + Board,but is at best,average D,not much help D. Minus Ellis...GSW is apt to have big trouble on D vs a quick guy like Paul,Lawson,,Rose,Westbrook.
While B Lopez or Kaman can score...neither is a PLUS on D...and both are questionable in terms of durability. The type of Big GSW would want is maybe Bogut or someone like what Biedrins used to be....such as Noah. Odds are...those 2 guys ain't getting dealt.

Yesterday...GSW got a road win in ATL. For a change...Jackson was not all about trying to "go small" Udoh had a solid game and Dom McGuire had 0 points but 13 boards...while GSW won the rebounding and held ATL to a low FG%. The whole Nellie-Smart era...simply neglected the need to do D and rebounds. Scoring,making 3's,going fast...are GOOD, but you do NOT sacrifice defense and rebounds. For GSW...B Lopez and Kaman are about to EXPIRE and neither is the ideal fit. I'd be fine adding either but NOT overpaying in talent or salary,when they are not the right fit.

Re-upping Kwame, re-habbing Biedrins...is GSW's most "cost effective" path.

Dwight Howard to GSW...as a KEEPER...well...hell yeah. As a 1/2 season ,costly delusion? That's a circle jerk...a weak substitute for doing something right.

[Trader_Joe]

I wouldn't want Ellis anywhere near the Nets & everyone knows you should never trade big for small.

I'd rather a big 3 of Williams/Lopez/Howard than replacing Lopez with Ellis.

Unless your an allstar guard, ala the Chris Paul for Odom/Pau nixed trade. Either way Ellis is a much better player and fit next to dwight howard than Lopez will ever be. I wouldn't touch lopez with a 10ft pole given his recent foot injury...

Much like the Magic wouldn't touch Bynum with a 3000 mile pole given his extensive history of serious injuries and time missed over the years. That is why Gasol would have to be added to get Orlando to bite.

[ShowTimeERA]

I wouldn't want Ellis anywhere near the Nets & everyone knows you should never trade big for small.

I'd rather a big 3 of Williams/Lopez/Howard than replacing Lopez with Ellis.

Unless your an allstar guard, ala the Chris Paul for Odom/Pau nixed trade. Either way Ellis is a much better player and fit next to dwight howard than Lopez will ever be. I wouldn't touch lopez with a 10ft pole given his recent foot injury...

Much like the Magic wouldn't touch Bynum with a 3000 mile pole given his extensive history of serious injuries and time missed over the years. That is why Gasol would have to be added to get Orlando to bite.

I can care less if Orlando or any team wants bynum. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, has been healthy for the past 2 years, is only 24 years of age, and has tremendous franchise player upside. Were more than fine continuing on with Bynum and filling the gaps on the team needed via trade using the TPE.

The Nets are the one's trying to unload Lopez. If Lopez was this great center most of you make him out to be, why does Deron want to leave unless Howard is there?

[Trader_Joe]

I can care less if Orlando or any team wants bynum. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, has been healthy for the past 2 years, is only 24 years of age, and has tremendous franchise player upside. Were more than fine continuing on with Bynum and filling the gaps on the team needed via trade using the TPE.

The Nets are the one's trying to unload Lopez. If Lopez was this great center most of you make him out to be, why does Deron want to leave unless Howard is there?

Simple.
Deron wants to play with Dwight and vice-versa. You don't turn down the chance to play with the best big man in the game who wants to play with you, either in Brooklyn or Dallas.

And I wasn't aware Bynum has been healthy for two years.
He only played 54 games last year. (And 65, 50, 35 the proceeding ones).
He was healthy and just didn't feel like playing or was it a CD-DNP?

[TDevilsG]

I can care less if Orlando or any team wants bynum. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, has been healthy for the past 2 years, is only 24 years of age, and has tremendous franchise player upside. Were more than fine continuing on with Bynum and filling the gaps on the team needed via trade using the TPE.

The Nets are the one's trying to unload Lopez. If Lopez was this great center most of you make him out to be, why does Deron want to leave unless Howard is there?

Simple.
Deron wants to play with Dwight and vice-versa. You don't turn down the chance to play with the best big man in the game who wants to play with you, either in Brooklyn or Dallas.

And I wasn't aware Bynum has been healthy for two years.
He only played 54 games last year. (And 65, 50, 35 the proceeding ones).
He was healthy and just didn't feel like playing or was it a CD-DNP?

This. Bynum is injury prone and Lopez is the most underrated big man in the game. Having Lopez and Howard on the same team would be synanmous with Duncan and Robinson, only better.

[TDevilsG]

I wouldn't want Ellis anywhere near the Nets & everyone knows you should never trade big for small.

I'd rather a big 3 of Williams/Lopez/Howard than replacing Lopez with Ellis.

Unless your an allstar guard, ala the Chris Paul for Odom/Pau nixed trade. Either way Ellis is a much better player and fit next to dwight howard than Lopez will ever be. I wouldn't touch lopez with a 10ft pole given his recent foot injury...

Lopez came back against the Mavericks and scored 38 points. He's been a model of health for the Nets his entire career, and they were being extra precautionary with this foot injury.

[therealbig3]

I can care less if Orlando or any team wants bynum. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, has been healthy for the past 2 years, is only 24 years of age, and has tremendous franchise player upside. Were more than fine continuing on with Bynum and filling the gaps on the team needed via trade using the TPE.

The Nets are the one's trying to unload Lopez. If Lopez was this great center most of you make him out to be, why does Deron want to leave unless Howard is there?

Simple.
Deron wants to play with Dwight and vice-versa. You don't turn down the chance to play with the best big man in the game who wants to play with you, either in Brooklyn or Dallas.

And I wasn't aware Bynum has been healthy for two years.
He only played 54 games last year. (And 65, 50, 35 the proceeding ones).
He was healthy and just didn't feel like playing or was it a CD-DNP?

This. Bynum is injury prone and Lopez is the most underrated big man in the game. Having Lopez and Howard on the same team would be synanmous with Duncan and Robinson, only better.

Woah, no need to be delusional, Duncan/Robinson>>>>>Howard/Lopez.

In fact, Duncan and Robinson would be the two best players in that comparison, pretty easily.

[Davidm89]

Do people really think Lopez is better than Anderson/Reddick and a 1st round pick? Maybe to a team that needs a C, but on a strictly talent base there is no way you'd take Lopez over the latter.

[richboy]

Do people really think Lopez is better than Anderson/Reddick and a 1st round pick? Maybe to a team that needs a C, but on a strictly talent base there is no way you'd take Lopez over the latter.

That a even more stupid trade. You want to trade 2 efficient scorers for 1 inefficient scorer. Anderson would average 20 and 10 if he played more minutes. You can't trade him with nothing more than Monta Ellis coming back.

[Trader_Joe]

Do people really think Lopez is better than Anderson/Reddick and a 1st round pick? Maybe to a team that needs a C, but on a strictly talent base there is no way you'd take Lopez over the latter.

That a even more stupid trade. You want to trade 2 efficient scorers for 1 inefficient scorer. Anderson would average 20 and 10 if he played more minutes. You can't trade him with nothing more than Monta Ellis coming back.

Anderson would not averaged 20 points unless he played beside Dwight or some other low post presence that commands double and triple teams and he took more shots. Otherwise his efficiency will drop when not playing next to a low post presence. He is also a relative one trick pony. He's not a very good finisher inside and relies almost exclusively on his perimeter game.

10 rebounds I find to be a stretch as well. He's a good rebounder but somewhat limited by a lack of size and strength. 6'10 I think is significant reach for his measurements. He's grown/filled out some, but many of us weren''t sure if he was better at SF/PF as he was closer to 6'8" when on the Nets and was rejected non-stop when inside.

On the flip side, if he does average 20/10, then you have to worry about paying him $13m or more next season when he becomes a FA.

And yes I've seen plenty of Ryan since he was one of my favorite Nets when he was here and have followed him plenty since then.

[richboy]

Do people really think Lopez is better than Anderson/Reddick and a 1st round pick? Maybe to a team that needs a C, but on a strictly talent base there is no way you'd take Lopez over the latter.

That a even more stupid trade. You want to trade 2 efficient scorers for 1 inefficient scorer. Anderson would average 20 and 10 if he played more minutes. You can't trade him with nothing more than Monta Ellis coming back.

Anderson would not averaged 20 points unless he played beside Dwight or some other low post presence that commands double and triple teams and he took more shots. Otherwise his efficiency will drop when not playing next to a low post presence. He is also a relative one trick pony. He's not a very good finisher inside and relies almost exclusively on his perimeter game.

10 rebounds I find to be a stretch as well. He's a good rebounder but somewhat limited by a lack of size and strength. 6'10 I think is significant reach for his measurements. He's grown/filled out some, but many of us weren''t sure if he was better at SF/PF as he was closer to 6'8" when on the Nets and was rejected non-stop when inside.

On the flip side, if he does average 20/10, then you have to worry about paying him $13m or more next season when he becomes a FA.

And yes I've seen plenty of Ryan since he was one of my favorite Nets when he was here and have followed him plenty since then.

That a ridiculous thought by people who think Anderson gets all his points because of in and out to Dwight. In reality the Magic run a ton of PNR. He gets tons of 3s in transition. He gets a ton of looks because of his movement without the ball. Kevin Love gets 25 ppg not playing next to Dwight Bargnani is a 20 plus scorer not playing next to Dwight.. Why do people think Ryan Anderson has to play with Dwight or his numbers will fall off. The only concern about not playing with Dwight would be defensively. Offensively PFs are still going to struggle guarding him out on the perimeter. It is not something they would be good at doing with or without Dwight.

He gets 8 rebounds per game in 31 minutes. If he played Kevin Love minutes he get 2 more rebounds.

[turk3d]

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando.

And this is where OP's logic fails.

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip. Orlando has a collection of C's, D's and 1 B-.

If Orlando was willing to offer 2 1st round picks Anderson, Nelson and JJ. With Anderson and Nelson going to a 3rd team and seeing what they can bring in. Wont be the worst trade in the world.

A healthy Lopez would be nice but I dont think NJ is willing to part with him just yet not until the off season atleast.

If Lopez is considered to be an A + chip (to Orlando which is all that should matter in this instance) then why don't they just trade Dwight straight over to NJ for him outright + whatever else is needed to accomplish the deal? After all, if Dwight moves, they will be needing another "A+" Center to replace him. Is it possible that maybe he's not what Net fans anticipate his worth to be.

As for Orlando, what they could give in return (for starters) is two #1 picks and although they'd be low ones (with Ellis and presumably Dwight in the fold) there's a chance they could come up with something. Both Amderson and Reddick at least have some significant worth around the league and perhaps they could bring something in for them that would satisfy the Warriors.

C'mon, if the Warriors trade Ellis and are not getting Dwight themselves. they might as well get something of value out of it.