2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

Post #21 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:47 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:We must get a high quality starter with this pick. You trade it away and God knows what you'll get. MKG will be a high quality starter, although a bad fit for this particular roster. Beal will probably be a high quality starter. Everything else is a crapshoot.

I agree what's up with people wanting to trade down yes having two pick sounds good but we are passing up better players then we can get at pick number three i just prefer if we did not trade are pick at all.

I look at it like this, trading Blatche, we lose the amnesty provision (I think), fine, but we actually get the cap space, management doesn't have to worry about amnestying him, then hoping someone signs him to a deal. His contract is shed off the books, Ted owes him nothing, and we get two first round picks out of it, not to mention cap room. #14 and #16 picks make what...less than $1.3 mil a year? My math is off, but we could be looking at $5 to $6 mil in cap room this year. More than enough to add end of bench guys, maybe re-sign James Singleton. It gives us options.

queridiculo · Post #22 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:50 pm

Naw, but lately the level of cynicism has been off the charts, those proposals are a reflection of that.

As far as I'm concerned Beal looks like the best fit, while I've been on the MKG bandwagon all this time and hope that he's our pick.

Despite all of the warning signs, I also like Perry Jones a whole lot as an NBA player. Obviously not at our spot, but if we could parlay our pick into a future 1st rounder without dropping out of the top 10 I'd pick him, and walk away content.

Post #23 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:50 pm

payitforward wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:We must get a high quality starter with this pick. You trade it away and God knows what you'll get. MKG will be a high quality starter, although a bad fit for this particular roster. Beal will probably be a high quality starter. Everything else is a crapshoot.

Lets say we somehow wound up w/ Perry Jones, Royce White and Terrence Jones for our #3: do you think we have as much likelihood of getting one quality starter out of that group as we do w/ MKG alone?

Not a challenge; I'd like to know what you (and others) think.

Be nice to get Royce White, then you could afford to take a chance on Perry Jones.

But you don't know if that's what would be available. From my perspective, I don't know who EG would pick -- I would prefer he keep the #3 and pick Beal or MKG or TRob.

If someone else ends up with both Royce White and Perry Jones, then after the draft you could trade Beal for those two if you want.

queridiculo · Post #24 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:55 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
I look at it like this, trading Blatche, we lose the amnesty provision (I think), fine, but we actually get the cap space, management doesn't have to worry about amnestying him, then hoping someone signs him to a deal. His contract is shed off the books, Ted owes him nothing, and we get two first round picks out of it, not to mention cap room. #14 and #16 picks make what...less than $1.3 mil a year? My math is off, but we could be looking at $5 to $6 mil in cap room this year. More than enough to add end of bench guys, maybe re-sign James Singleton. It gives us options.

We're not going to trade the shot at a blue chip prospect for salary cap space. It's absolutely absurd to even contemplate such a move.

closg00 · Post #25 » by **closg00** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:56 pm

One thing that is certain is that there are many teams that would like to move-up in the 1st-round and we are bound to get many offers for our pick(s), The thing we have working in our favor is that Ernie does his panic moves before the draft usually. Unless he's got a deal already worked-out, I think we at-least keep our 3rd pick, not so sure about the 2nd.

Post #26 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:57 pm

hermitkid wrote:Naw, but lately the level of cynicism has been off the charts, those proposals are a reflection of that.

As far as I'm concerned Beal looks like the best fit, while I've been on the MKG bandwagon all this time and hope that he's our pick.

Despite all of the warning signs, I also like Perry Jones a whole lot as an NBA player. Obviously not at our spot, but if we could parlay our pick into a future 1st rounder without dropping out of the top 10 I'd pick him, and walk away content.

I'm assuming Cleveland jumps up at 2 and takes Beal. I'm not 100% sold on MKG. Not because we got Ariza, just the shooting is my big issue with him. If Beal is there at 3, take him and be done with it.

FAH1223 · Post #27 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:02 pm

NO TRADING BLATCHE FOR CAP SPACE WITH OUR TOP 3 PICK. JUST AMNESTY HIM FOR PETE'S SAKE OR TRADE HIM AT THE DEADLINE SINCE TED IS CONSCIOUS OF WHERE HIS CASH GOES.

I WILL NOT HAVE MY DRAFT NIGHT RUINED LIKE 2009... NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/end angry tirade at recent posts

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #28 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:09 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Still think now that moving Blatche and the 3 to Houston for the 14th and 16th pick wouldn't be the worse move in the world, assuming Beal is not there at 3. I would be fine with any combo of Sullinger/PJ 3/Terrence Jones

If we traded are pick to Houston that be very depressing i rather us keep are third pick if Beal is off the table I would settle for MKG even Barnes who I'm not a big fan of. Before i settle for us taking Sullinger i would just draft Thomas Robinson at number three and trade a big for a wing shooter.

I agree, I would be pissed if we moved down. Suck it up and cut Blatche, stop being so cheap. How can they expect us fans to keep supporting this team if they keep doing dumb moves? Stay at 3 and draft Beal or MKG. We need a chance at a future star.

Post #29 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:14 pm

FWIW, I think EG got instructions from Ted not to trade the pick...

jivelikenice · Post #30 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:18 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Still think now that moving Blatche and the 3 to Houston for the 14th and 16th pick wouldn't be the worse move in the world, assuming Beal is not there at 3. I would be fine with any combo of Sullinger/PJ 3/Terrence Jones

Got to disagree. If you took Blatche out of the equation you would never trade 3 for 14 and 16. So why devalue an asset when you have the amnesty tool available?

REDardWIZskin · Post #31 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:19 pm

Im starting to warm up to drafting Barnes should Bobcats move up to 2 and take Beal (which they likely will because have 4 good picks in the draft). I've been watching him workout and he's been showing his athleticism. He also is said to have an incredible work ethic, doing things like working out in the early hrs of the morning alone. I know he sucked the few games Marshall didn't play, but we have Wall which would negate that point. I have also heard several scouts say that his game projects better in the nba than it did in college because of the spacing in the NBA and the system that UNC runs (which is better for guards and bigs).

Ariza in a Tony allen like role at the 2 would make an interesting (and HUGE) lineup

Wall/Ariza/Barnes/Nene/Okafor

It would look even better if Nene could consistently shoot from 17 ft though

7-Day Dray · Post #32 » by **7-Day Dray** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:19 pm

The only trade I'd be fine w/ is for #6 & #11. Anything below that and it's a no-no from me.

jivelikenice · Post #33 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:22 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:The only trade I'd be fine w/ is for #6 & #11. Anything below that and it's a no-no from me.

I'd be ok with 6 & 11, but only if Barnes or MKG make it down to 6. Otherwise why miss out on one of the top 3 wings just to pick up the 11th pick? This team needs impact players. We have a team full of potential role players and good bench parts. Now we need an impact starter....

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #34 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:29 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:FWIW, I think EG got instructions from Ted not to trade the pick...

Good because it would be a riot on these boards if he did. I look forward to seeing Beal or MKG in a Wizards uni and I might actually get a jersey (either Wall, Beal, or Serph) We need another young cornerstone to grow with Wall and Beal or MKG could be that kind of player.

FAH1223 · Post #35 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:32 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:FWIW, I think EG got instructions from Ted not to trade the pick...

Good because it would be a riot on these boards if he did. I look forward to seeing Beal or MKG in a Wizards uni and I might actually get a jersey (either Wall, Beal, or Serph) We need another young cornerstone to grow with Wall and Beal or MKG could be that kind of player.

+1

Higga · Post #36 » by **Higga** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:38 pm

If our FO determines that there is no real difference between MKG and Barnes, and if Portland is guaranteed to take Drummond at 3, I could see us trading down for 6 and 11.

2-Robinson(or Beal)
3-Drummond
4-Beal(or Robinson)
5-MKG or Barnes

At 6 we take whoever is left. Then at 11 we can take someone like Rivers.

Post #37 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:48 pm

Per David Aldridge's morning tip on NBA.com, looks like the Bobcats are gonna go with Robinson, Wizards will either pick Beal or Barnes, and Cavs will pick whoever is left.

Cavs are trying to trade #4, #24 and Varejao but no one in front of them seems to be biting.

FAH1223 · Post #38 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:53 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Per David Aldridge's morning tip on NBA.com, looks like the Bobcats are gonna go with Robinson, Wizards will either pick Beal or Barnes, and Cavs will pick whoever is left.

Cavs are trying to trade #4, #24 and Varejao but no one in front of them seems to be biting.

Thats a lot to give up for Beal.

truwizfan4evr · Post #39 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:57 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Per David Aldridge's morning tip on NBA.com, looks like the Bobcats are gonna go with Robinson, Wizards will either pick Beal or Barnes, and Cavs will pick whoever is left.

Cavs are trying to trade #4, #24 and Varejao but no one in front of them seems to be biting.

I'm not down for trading are pick if we did have to trade it be with cavs third pick for 4 and 24 pick. Just to add another lottery pick but that would not make sense on are part to trade away the pick that may land us Beal.

FAH1223 · Post #40 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:01 pm

At No. 3, according to league sources, the Wizards are likely to take either Florida guard Bradley Beal or North Carolina swingman Harrison Barnes. They still like Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but it seems less likely they'd go for a small forward after acquiring Trevor Ariza from New Orleans [see below]. And Kidd-Gilchrist's struggles to shoot wouldn't fit in with the Wizards' crying need for increased perimeter scoring. While many scouts around the league think Barnes will struggle at the two guard spot, Washington thinks he could play the position.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/d ... index.html

Like we tried to make Booker a SF? :lol:

no BARNES!!!!!!